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MightyBigMinus posted:it'll probably "not work" in the same sense that ethanol doesnt work. which is to say every know it all on the internet can poo poo talk it up and down, but you're still going to put some in your tank this week. I won't, I don't own a car
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Apr 26, 2023 17:42
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Hubbert posted:climate change is just a really big meltdown when you think about it
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Apr 26, 2023 17:43
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Meltdown May is coming in hot.
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Apr 26, 2023 17:46
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It was cold this morning so I didn't melt down since climate change is clearly over now.
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Apr 26, 2023 17:48
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MightyBigMinus posted:HUGE MELTDOWN instead of making a hundred bikes or having ten thousand people walk, we should build a car and fill it with Green hydrogen. the climate is saved, as long as your hydrogen engine keeps the ac running below the lethal wet bulb temps the plebs suffer outside!
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Apr 26, 2023 17:49
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Dystopia Barbarian posted:Not to be contrarian, but if FTL travel is impossible (and I believe it is), this is simply untrue. Nah you just need to generate structured rf signals like we’ve been doing for 100 years. IIRC something like the square kilometer array should be sensitive enough to detect our radio and TV broadcasts from cosmologically relevant distance. Let alone something like Starlink. If there was a civilization that used wireless communications, I expect we would know about it. Provided they didn’t self destruct in the galactic equivalent of the blink of an eye or deliberately mask their signal (assuming that is possible). I’m recalling a lot of things from memory here so I might have some of the details wrong but this is very much great filter/fermi’s paradox 101 stuff and I can’t be bothered to write a carefully sourced argument just now. I would happily defer to someone who put in the effort. TACD posted:that’s what I meant by “it’s both” so now I’m really confused what you mean by “it’s one or the other” If we are insane, then the joker laughing is essentially random background noise based on our ignorance of real events. If we are uniquely perceptive, then it is a reasonable response and consistent with reality and therefore not insane at all. It makes sense in my head but I could be a gibbering lunatic.
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Apr 26, 2023 17:50
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MightyBigMinus posted:it'll probably "not work" in the same sense that ethanol doesnt work. which is to say every know it all on the internet can poo poo talk it up and down, but you're still going to put some in your tank this week. Hey do you think this is more or less carbon intensive than just using plain old gasoline?
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Apr 26, 2023 17:54
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God Hole posted:oh look an angry swarming hornets' nest, better go out of my way to establish contact and make myself known to them sure let me just build a faraday cage around my entire civilization!
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Apr 26, 2023 17:56
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I like how they build coal fire electricity plants so they can power the factories making advanced green batteries
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Apr 26, 2023 17:57
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Brendan Rodgers posted:The Milky Way has had the elements necessary for life for billions of years. You don't need FTL to colonise a galaxy if you have billions of years. which leads to my conclusion that all civilizations destroy themselves before perfecting space flight because that is much much much more likely than life not evolving anywhere else in the galaxy
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Apr 26, 2023 17:58
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https://twitter.com/HeartlandSignal/status/1651253584153935874 Climate change is good actually because fewer people will freeze to death in the winter. 
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Apr 26, 2023 18:04
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McCracAttack posted:https://twitter.com/HeartlandSignal/status/1651253584153935874 lol the dumbest motherfuckers on earth are the most powerful people on earth and I can't believe there's dipshit cope/hope liberals telling us that everything will be fine.
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Apr 26, 2023 18:14
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MightyBigMinus posted:i think this thread is way too doomer from a climate science perspective, but still winds up being muuuuuch closer to the truth than any other topical info&discussion source. ill never put anyone on ignore but yeah
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Apr 26, 2023 18:15
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McCracAttack posted:Climate change is good actually because fewer people will freeze to death in the winter. Mr. Lomborg, welcome.
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Apr 26, 2023 18:16
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There's cringe in the meltdowns
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Apr 26, 2023 18:18
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:methinks Oof
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Apr 26, 2023 18:46
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Maed posted:which leads to my conclusion that all civilizations destroy themselves before perfecting space flight because that is much much much more likely than life not evolving anywhere else in the galaxy And for the infinitesimal few species that may survive to, say, intergalactic travel, they would pretty much be advanced enough to be unrecognizable as life forms to us at that point. If humanity still exists in some form 1000 years from now, it certainly wouldn't consider current us to be intelligent life. Heck in 100 years internet based AI could have taken over and unaugmented flesh humans that don't have a global brainprint nexus subscription, if they exist at all, are mitochondria or termites at best. Preen Dog has issued a correction as of 18:59 on Apr 26, 2023 |
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Apr 26, 2023 18:56
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MightyBigMinus posted:it'll probably "not work" in the same sense that ethanol doesnt work. which is to say every know it all on the internet can poo poo talk it up and down, but you're still going to put some in your tank this week. green hydrogen, like DAC, only makes sense in a post fossil fuel world. Any crowing about green hydrogen while the rest of the economy is fossil fuel based is just playing the Shell game with emissions. “we bough a bunch of RECs to make our hydrogen green, please ignore how this means someone else can’t use renewables and must use fossil fuels instead.”
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Apr 26, 2023 19:08
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Preen Dog posted:And for the infinitesimal few species that may survive to, say, intergalactic travel, they would pretty much be advanced enough to be unrecognizable as life forms to us at that point. capitalist realism is the obvious solution to the fermi paradox, and the great filter is a very stupid one. looking for signs of civilization as we know it and scratching our heads at finding nothing is no paradox at all--it might not have been completely unreasonable when enrico fermi came up with it in 1950, but it makes no sense today.
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Apr 26, 2023 19:12
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it almost goes without saying that the great filter was conceived of by an economist.
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Apr 26, 2023 19:17
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Zodium posted:capitalist realism is the obvious solution to the fermi paradox, and the great filter is a very stupid one. looking for signs of civilization as we know it and scratching our heads at finding nothing is no paradox at all--it might not have been completely unreasonable when enrico fermi came up with it in 1950, but it makes no sense today. Zodium posted:it almost goes without saying that the great filter was conceived of by an economist. But what you're doing here is proposing capitalist realism as a great filter. Which is possible. Bleak as gently caress, because it would imply that even with the sample size of a galaxy, communism wasn't possible.
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Apr 26, 2023 19:21
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Depending on how you feel about the Dyson Dilemma, the sample size could be the entire visible universe.
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Apr 26, 2023 19:21
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Brendan Rodgers posted:But what you're doing here is proposing capitalist realism as a great filter. insofar as the great filter is entirely a perceptual one, i guess.
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Apr 26, 2023 19:25
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Trabisnikof posted:green hydrogen, like DAC, only makes sense in a post fossil fuel world. why is everyone deliberately ignoring the IRA and electrolyzer market? why do you refuse to integrate new knowledge? why are you betting against Xi? if this was your first time through this exact stupid argument pattern i could forgive but you know drat well this is the exact same thing as the "ev's are just a longer tailpipe to coal plants" republican-talking-point/concern-troll. how is your brain not pattern matching this as the same dumb thing?
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Apr 26, 2023 19:50
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The way I figure is that the odds of life evolving are really really loving tiny and space is really really loving big. maybe there's life somewhere out there but if so they're so far away that we have no means of communicating or interacting with them. Functionally I guess that's the same as being alone in the universe
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Apr 26, 2023 19:58
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Hubbert posted:climate change is just a really big meltdown when you think about it 
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Apr 26, 2023 19:59
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MightyBigMinus posted:why is everyone deliberately ignoring the IRA and electrolyzer market? why do you refuse to integrate new knowledge? MightyBigMinus posted:bernie just lost. there will be no green new deal. MightyBigMinus posted:clearly you are, you're angry and picking a fight over a joke you didn't get
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Apr 26, 2023 20:02
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you guys you guys green energy is going to be so abundant that we'll use it for making and storing hydrogen then use that hydrogen like we do oil propane today for cars and suburbs it'll be great hydrogen powered cars taking hydrogen powered grills home to cook steaks with hydrogen in homes that use hydrogen heating hydrogen the american dream will finally be global
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Apr 26, 2023 20:03
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Complications posted:you guys you guys quote:Yo, listen up, here's the story
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Apr 26, 2023 20:06
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the original lyrics for Blue also work, because blue hydrogen is a thing ...
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Apr 26, 2023 20:07
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Complications posted:you guys you guys see this is what i mean by just wailing, it oftens comes like this, in the form of "dunking" on all these arguments nobody made, in this reductively sarcastic framing. I have no idea what voice in their head complications is yelling at but its not anything I posted. the "argument" (observation of a reality we theoretically share) is that xi, biden (via the ira), and the eu (whoever's in charge of germany this year), are spending trillions (yes literally trillions), on subsidizing the electrolyzer/green-hydrogen market. that means green (sorry "green") hydrogen will swamp the steam-reformed-methane hydrogen market very soon. you have to be actively fingers-in-your-ears screaming LALALALALALA to still think that "green" hydrogen isn't going to be a huge market within the next 3 - 5 years. I'm not even saying thats good! I'm saying you all look like such cranky baby idiots to still be so out of touch and ill-informed.
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Apr 26, 2023 20:23
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Zodium posted:it almost goes without saying that the great filter was conceived of by an economist. further evidence that the economists will save us
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Apr 26, 2023 20:24
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silicone thrills posted:lol the dumbest motherfuckers on earth are the most powerful people on earth and I can't believe there's dipshit cope/hope liberals telling us that everything will be fine. 100% the reaction we've had to cc so far (by and large, of course, even from many people on this dead forum) is all the proof you need we aren't going to survive it
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Apr 26, 2023 20:24
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MightyBigMinus posted:see this is what i mean by just wailing, it oftens comes like this, in the form of "dunking" on all these arguments nobody made, in this reductively sarcastic framing. I have no idea what voice in their head complications is yelling at but its not anything I posted. yes, we're going to have such a tremendous surplus of green energy that not only will it be powering the electric grid but we'll be storing it and burning it via various means fossils are totally on the way out any day now as the exponential curves kick in pay no attention to the material shortfalls, we're gonna have ~green loving hydrogen~ wooo
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Apr 26, 2023 20:42
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Complications posted:yes, we're going to have such a tremendous surplus of green energy that not only will it be powering the electric grid but we'll be storing it and burning it via various means see, again, a bunch of made up poo poo i didnt post in that sarcastic bitchy voice. you YEARN for something to yell at so you pattern match a handful of keywords into a whole mind palace of articles and then yell at them in front of me... but this whole conversation is like 80% you and your demons.
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Apr 26, 2023 20:47
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MightyBigMinus posted:see, again, a bunch of made up poo poo i didnt post in that sarcastic bitchy voice. is ~green hydrogen~ actually going to do anything material at all re:the planet or are you just cheerleading something that you like the aesthetics of 'cause i've tried to aim you at talking about the material benefits of the thing you love and got nowhere
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Apr 26, 2023 20:51
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hydrogen sounds cool and all but i think we should use something with fewer protons
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Apr 26, 2023 20:54
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hydrogen more like watergen
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Apr 26, 2023 20:55
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Stereotype posted:hydrogen sounds cool and all but i think we should use something with fewer protons wow, way to be anti-matter 
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MightyBigMinus posted:see this is what i mean by just wailing, it oftens comes like this, in the form of "dunking" on all these arguments nobody made, in this reductively sarcastic framing. I have no idea what voice in their head complications is yelling at but its not anything I posted. huh. well, sure, endless spending and consumption got us into this mess but you got a point... more spending and consumption will dig us out of this hole lol
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