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I think it's just easier/cheaper for GW have Forgeworld make these one-off heroes in resin, when they don't really anticipate a poo poo ton of sales, rather than a full production run of plastic mini's. Much like Necromunda; I just hope they don't end up out of production after a couple months, like some of those NM characters
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Vagabong posted:I feel like what we've seen from the new ghoul leadership they've leaned too far into the meat and bone aspect for the delusion to really come through; personally I'd of preferred more faded finery and rusty armour salvaged from old battlefields rather than the supposed regalia being entirely meat based. I don't really disagree with this take but like, I'll take anything over 'literally every model in this army is basically the same naked hunched over meat man in varying sizes.'
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Apr 30, 2023 18:15
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The startup cost of a resin model is way lower than a plastic one, because the mould is way cheaper. So if you expect to sell less than X copies then a resin model is more economical. It could also be that their production schedule for their plastic injection machines is all filled up, so having it in plastic isn't possible.
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I'd also assume, since they said there'll be metal models, it'll get a decent amount of MTO support.
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Apr 30, 2023 18:45
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I guess if they keep releasing sick resin models I'll have to get over my antipathy for the stuff, and also buy a good dust mask. On the Freeguild Cavaliers they previewed, I think they work a lot better than the militia we saw a while ago; they've got some more interesting flair going on both with the colour schemes and heraldry, which has got me wondering if the burnt orange colours on the foot sloggers turned me off more than the minatures themselves.
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Agreed, the knights look way better than the foot soldiers. Still, they are quite far from my painting abilities, so I guess I'll wait until I see how they look in a simpler scheme.
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Talas posted:Agreed, the knights look way better than the foot soldiers. Still, they are quite far from my painting abilities, so I guess I'll wait until I see how they look in a simpler scheme. Do you have some form of a physical disability that prevents you from painting well or do you lack the time to practice? I'm not meaning this in a nasty way, I'm just curious. I started in 2021 and I finally got the confidence to order in boneripper featuring thanqol
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It's a matter of time and having too many hobbies. It was easier during lockdowns since I could paint something while on a call, but since I'm back to the office full-time, that's just not possible anymore. Oh, and I love OBR for that reason, I can just slap some Contrast paints on them and be done with it.
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Cooked Auto posted:Except they also said said there will be plastic kits. They more or less implied that the Necrosphinx is going to be brought back as an example. I am getting a strong feeling that the number of plastic kits is going to be very limited and probably only applicable to factions with cross over between AoS. We will see though.
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Talas posted:It's a matter of time and having too many hobbies. It was easier during lockdowns since I could paint something while on a call, but since I'm back to the office full-time, that's just not possible anymore. oh 100%
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peer posted:gw guy clarifies the "starter set" thing Okay phew, good enough for me. I just want to buy a starter set with models. I have everything else I need.
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IncredibleIgloo posted:I am getting a strong feeling that the number of plastic kits is going to be very limited and probably only applicable to factions with cross over between AoS. We will see though. The plastic moulds for the old warhammer units still exist. They dont get chucked in a bin, they go in the storage vaults. I would bet every single plastic unit from the Bretonnian and Tomb King ranges will be brought back for the release. They might be limited time only, but I'm sure they will be there. The Old World looks like its being handled exactly like the first releases of the Heresy were. Big rulebook, new characters and repurposing product that was already available (The Old power armour sets/weapon upgrades). If the old world turns out to be as popular as the Heresy they can just keep dusting off those moulds to do specific army re-releases every few months.
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Cooked Auto posted:I think to some extent the game is for old WHFB players who already have one or several armies in storage. So all they would need is their (possible) army book and the core book. Didn't they change the base size from 20mm to 25mm? If so all of these people are knocked out Edit: the fantasy game might as well be singing shanties with how obviously geared towards whales it is. The chat about "can we use our old models?" Is literally the same conversation that happened when AOS was coming around. Based on how that turned out, I'm staying the hell away from it Business Gorillas fucked around with this message at 12:16 on May 1, 2023 |
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Business Gorillas posted:Didn't they change the base size from 20mm to 25mm? If so all of these people are knocked out We can use base converters you know, it's just inconvenient rather than a deal breaker. My pet theory about base sizes in Old World is that they are going to set them exactly the same as in AoS, just in their square/rectangular versions. This would allow both WFB and AoS players with relevant models to use them in the game without forcing anyone to rebase.
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Angry Lobster posted:We can use base converters you know, it's just inconvenient rather than a deal breaker. Hopefully they don't balance the game entirely around the new models and leave the old ones in "you can TOTALLY use these, but don't expect to win" status Another thing that has zero precedent with Games Workshop LLC Edit: Im avoiding it entirely, I only play one AOS a month as is
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Business Gorillas posted:Hopefully they don't balance the game entirely around the new models and leave the old ones in "you can TOTALLY use these, but don't expect to win" status It seems their business model is gonna be relaunching old kits (like the necrosphinx), modernizing some of the most dated old kits and very few new things. In my opinion, there won't be many new units excepting new special character for that timeline and the odd new unit for some rosters. In fact the only confimed new unit is a "never seen" one for Brettonia, which, to be fair, had a very limited roster by the end of 8th edition. GW is going to treat this as a specialist game so expecting more than that is dellusional. In my case, I don't give a drat about the models. What I want is a strong ruleset and rosters so it brings together both the old timers who are playing a miriad of different rulesets atm and new players. If the rules suck, Old World, as a game, will be dead on arrival and people will buy some models to complete their collections or for painting and that's it.
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Very lackluster showing from Warhammer Fest, but I'm still excited to see some new minis. The drip feed of info about TOW is seriously making it hard to get hype. It wouldn't be so bad if the drip was once every week or so for a year until we get the box announcement. But it's seriously been a drip feed of info once every quarter for about four years, skipping over some quarters. I'm holding onto hope that the rumors of a box announcement (at this point I find a release highly unlikely) in November. They've almost been hyping up TOW for as long as 8th edition was officially supported at this rate. Shoot, by the time the box comes out, it'll likely be longer than 8th edition was supported.
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Angry Lobster posted:It seems their business model is gonna be relaunching old kits (like the necrosphinx), modernizing some of the most dated old kits and very few new things. In my opinion, there won't be many new units excepting new special character for that timeline and the odd new unit for some rosters. In fact the only confimed new unit is a "never seen" one for Brettonia, which, to be fair, had a very limited roster by the end of 8th edition. GW is going to treat this as a specialist game so expecting more than that is dellusional. It's a shame that this is completely correct and people will point to fantasy being a dead end game while Creative Assembly makes a zillion dollars on TW:W3 Everything's screaming an ultra-expensive specialist game with minimal support. These were the exact reasons why fantasy ate poo poo in the first place
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This entire thing seems to be marketed towards fantasy nostalgia guys who still have their old armies in the closet, with absolutely minimal effort being made for others. And, well, I don't think there are that many fantasy nostalgia guys around.
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Yeah, I don't have much faith in Old World actually catching on as a popular game, unless they're willing to really push it and suffer through a slow adoption rate. But, all I really care about is picking up some classic Tomb King models, so their support could dry up after this initial wave for all it matters to me
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Geisladisk posted:This entire thing seems to be marketed towards fantasy nostalgia guys who still have their old armies in the closet, with absolutely minimal effort being made for others. There absolutely are, the issue is that they are playing non-commercial remasters of the editions they want to play and are highly unlikely to play what GW puts out unless it is VERY good, which is highly unlikely.
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Worse comes to worst ToW doesn't take off and they add Brettonia and Tomb Kings to Aos to make the most out of the moulds.
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They've been mining and refining nostalgia to a fantastic degree in Horus Heresy, so as long as ToW is on par with that it'll do just fine. It doesn't really need new kits because a surprising amount of 8e stuff is still available. As long as there's a good rulebook and army book, ToW will accomplish two things: 1) open up a new market for AoS figures, and 2) crib-strangle the Warhammer-alikes that might draw someone away from GW. The entire release could be a rulebook, armies book, and sack of square bases. It's going to be fine.
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moths posted:2) crib-strangle the Warhammer-alikes that might draw someone away from GW. They've had all of AoS up to now to do this and those games do absolutely fine. Releasing the unedited ruleset for an ancient game, targeting people with heart conditions and children who don't speak to them anymore, isn't gonna do that.
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There have still been a pile of square bases & formations fantasy battle games coming out every year. This will considerably affect that.
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Even if TOW flops, we'll still have old lines restored to play Warhammer Renaissance/Armies Project with. The real deciding factor for sticking with GW for minis is if TOW is worth playing and the models are cheap enough to build full units out of on the cheap/moderately expensive (cheap for GW).
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The Deleter posted:Releasing the unedited ruleset for an ancient game Except they're not doing that and have said they are going to be modified 8th edition rules.
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Cool, until they release any actual details I'm gonna assume they increased the font size by .5 and called it a day.
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Cooked Auto posted:Except they're not doing that and have said they are going to be modified 8th edition rules. They've actually said that they will be modeling TOW after 7th edition, which is a massive boon if they want to get the WHFB playing crowd back. I've heard some people say that 7th edition rules with 6th edition (not second dwarfs) army books is a favored way to play. This is good because 8th was a trashfire for the Horde rule alone.
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My interest in Old World is currently at zero. Modern Age of Sigmar basically addresses most of the problems I had with Warhammer Fantasy originally. However, if they announce Vampire Coast as a faction and specifically the Necrofex Colossus getting a model (and the other good stuff like Rotting Leviathan), my interest goes to 100. I'll learn to play the slow square based game that requires you to spend way more on models compared to AoS and 40k if it's got good poo poo like the Necrofex Colossus.
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Chainclaw posted:My interest in Old World is currently at zero. Modern Age of Sigmar basically addresses most of the problems I had with Warhammer Fantasy originally. Well... they said they're mainly focusing on factions from the Old World continent, and already committed themselves to making Kislev and Cathay. So, it'll be a whiiile before they'll branch out into something like Vampire Coast. I wonder if people would accept running Idoneth as substitute Vampire Coast... then they wouldn't have to make new models.
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Vampire Coast would be cool. Dogs of War so I can build some weird rear end army might be fun too (maybe not to play)
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Paranoid Dude posted:They've actually said that they will be modeling TOW after 7th edition, which is a massive boon if they want to get the WHFB playing crowd back. I've heard some people say that 7th edition rules with 6th edition (not second dwarfs) army books is a favored way to play. Combined with modern support where the staff don't treat the existence of the internet like a total drag, it should be pretty good
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So those of you been around the AOS train awhile, is there a decent chance that new nurgle hero will come with the PSBLs and PBKs from the picture on Warhammer community? I really like the guy's look and nurgle's fly guys will do me a good solid.
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:So those of you been around the AOS train awhile, is there a decent chance that new nurgle hero will come with the PSBLs and PBKs from the picture on Warhammer community? I really like the guy's look and nurgle's fly guys will do me a good solid. You mean this one?  That's going to be a box set, yeah.
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Winklebottom posted:You mean this one? Oh good. I got into AoS and one of my first guys was "Rattachaks doom coven" and I quite like these very limited small sets
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Those are definitely going to be very limited single-run boxes that immediately get bought out by scalpers, yeah?
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The boxes are yes, but the character models are obviously going to come out stand alone a month or two later.
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The Deleter posted:They've had all of AoS up to now to do this and those games do absolutely fine. Releasing the unedited ruleset for an ancient game, targeting people with heart conditions and children who don't speak to them anymore, isn't gonna do that. Everyone that plays AOS in my area is easily over 30 years old buddy lol
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:Those are definitely going to be very limited single-run boxes that immediately get bought out by scalpers, yeah? For people who have followed a narrative campaign before, what can I expect from these new Dawnbringer books? As someone who doesn't give a poo poo about lore unless it's related to the specific faction but isn't really interested in the "grand scheme" of things are these really that useful or is this more of a "keep an eye out for models you want" kind of thing?
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