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big dong wanter: Jan 28, 2010; The future for this country is roads, freeways and highways

To the dangerzone

another thing that gets undiscussed wrt the australian motor industry is just how poorly suited imports were for much of the road conditions. you go like 45 minutes outside the dead centre of the two biggest cities and you have roads that will make cars fall apart instantly. not to mention summer heat. its one of the reasons the landcruiser absolutely ate the lunch of the old series land rover; given how much those things sucked to drive theres a reason why the large australian sedan stuck around so long. my father and all his friends have stories from the late 70s of their companies giving them imports as company cars and them being scap metal by the end of the lease. then the 80s happened and then holden at least also made cars that if taken into the outback became scrap metal.

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Hadlock: Nov 9, 2004

Interesting, never heard of import quotas before, only tarrifs. I guess you have to protect your baseline manufacturing capacity somehow. The house just rolled back solar panel tariff bans and they're getting ready to kneecap the American solar industry. Again.

BuckyDoneGun posted:

Higher tariffs applied to non-British Empire countries, to protect Empire trade for Her Maj against certain filthy traitor ex-colonies. Hence, Escort and Cortina and Vauxhall products along with

Apparently Citroen assembled their Traction Avant in "Slogh" which is in the UK somewhere, for tax reasons to export primarily to South Africa, Australia and NZ plus various other British colonies. The Traction Avant was one of the few cars durable enough for primitive colony "roads" apparently. In addition to all the Paris built TAs that got exported to French colonies for all the same reasons

Fornax Disaster posted:

Canada also used to have a lot of unique models despite sharing a border with the US. None of them were unique platforms like in Australia, instead they mostly mashups of US brands. Monarchs, Meteors, Beaumonts, Acadians and Fargos. Mercury had a full truck line. Canadian market full size Pontiacs had Chevy chassis and engines. Most of these are from the 50s and 60s,

Yeah apparently Chrysler made two different ~250cc flathead inline six engines one was made in Canada for the local market, and then an ever-so-slightly different ~280cc inline six for the US market, with US base model mopars getting the slightly smaller Canadian inline six. Or something like that

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Hadlock: Nov 9, 2004

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sor_Citro%C3%ABn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmL8FNN4csU

The Citroen fun begins around 21:30

Bonus Traction Avant cameo around 36:30

Hadlock fucked around with this message at 06:57 on May 1, 2023

# ? May 1, 2023 06:13

Puddin: Apr 9, 2004; Leave it to Brak

big dong wanter posted:

not to mention summer heat.

Like spotting all the Japanese cars from mid 80's onwards with the headlamps that put out zero light from the plastic just perishing like crazy.

I swear I had to cut and polish my CRX headlights twice a month over summer so I could see where I was going.

# ? May 1, 2023 07:55

Imperador do Brasil: Nov 18, 2005; Rotor-rific

Hadlock posted:

Yeah apparently Chrysler made two different ~250cc flathead inline six engines one was made in Canada for the local market, and then an ever-so-slightly different ~280cc inline six for the US market, with US base model mopars getting the slightly smaller Canadian inline six. Or something like that

I assume you mean CID not cc??

# ? May 1, 2023 11:34

Fornax Disaster: Apr 11, 2005; If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.

Hadlock posted:

Yeah apparently Chrysler made two different ~250cc flathead inline six engines one was made in Canada for the local market, and then an ever-so-slightly different ~280cc inline six for the US market, with US base model mopars getting the slightly smaller Canadian inline six. Or something like that

They also had a habit of building Dodges by putting Dodge front ends on smaller Plymouth bodies. Car collectors up here call those models Plodges.

https://www.curbsideclassic.com/curbside-classics-american/curbside-classic-1949-dodge-special-de-luxe-what-the-plodge/

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monkeytennis: Apr 26, 2007; Toilet Rascal

Ok so I�ve been to Berlin this weekend and saw several Ferraris, tons of high end Merc/Audi/BMW and even a Maybach but this was my favourite:

There was also a Porsche exhibit:

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Galler: Jan 28, 2008

Imperador do Brasil posted:

I assume you mean CID not cc??

A want an adorable little straight 6 :allears:

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BalloonFish: Jun 30, 2013; Fun Shoe

Hadlock posted:

Interesting, never heard of import quotas before, only tarrifs. I guess you have to protect your baseline manufacturing capacity somehow. The house just rolled back solar panel tariff bans and they're getting ready to kneecap the American solar industry. Again.

Apparently Citroen assembled their Traction Avant in "Slogh" which is in the UK somewhere, for tax reasons to export primarily to South Africa, Australia and NZ plus various other British colonies. The Traction Avant was one of the few cars durable enough for primitive colony "roads" apparently. In addition to all the Paris built TAs that got exported to French colonies for all the same reasons

Yeah apparently Chrysler made two different ~250cc flathead inline six engines one was made in Canada for the local market, and then an ever-so-slightly different ~280cc inline six for the US market, with US base model mopars getting the slightly smaller Canadian inline six. Or something like that

The place is Slough (pronounced 'Slow', rhyming with 'now' or 'cow'), about 20 miles west of London. It's home to the Slough Trading Estate, which was one of the first modern-style industrial estates/business parks in the UK (or, indeed, Europe) and Citroen was one of its first tenants. At the time the UK had a set of trade tariffs called the McKenna Duties, which whacked a one-third tariff on 'luxury' imports on top of the existing 'Imperial Preference' system of mutual tariff reduction that existed between Britain and the dominions. So that essentially ensured that if you were a European car maker and you wanted to sell cars in the UK (or the British Empire) you had to build them in-market. We also had the Horsepower Tax, which used an entirely theoretical and useless definition of 'horsepower', formulated specifically to hobble the commercial prospects of the Ford Model T once they started to be built in the UK. To get around the McKenna Duty at least 51% of a car - by value - had to be British-sourced, but the TA's built at Slough comfortable exceeded that - engines and gearboxes were originally shipped from France, but later were assembled using British-made components on French castings/casings. The bodies were stamped, assembled and painted locally and the Slough Citroens had British electrical components, wheels, tyres, instruments and external brightwork. To account for both the McKenna Duties and differing tastes they also had unique wooden dashboards, leather seats and full cabin carpeting. I believe that, like the 2CVs built at Slough later, they all came with uprated 'Colonial-spec' suspension, body waterproofing and air cleaners.

GM got around the McKenna Duties by a) buying Vauxhall and b) importing Chevys, Buicks and Oldsmobiles built in Canada and South Africa. Ford built a brand new UK factory and designed a whole new car specifically for the UK and German markets, and Chrysler did like Citroen and built a factory building British-content versions of its American products. Renault and Fiat also had British factories until the loosening of the trade barriers and the exchange rates made them unnecessary and unviable in the mid-1960s.

As for Australia, the unique driving, road and climatic conditions really promoted some automotive oddities, rather like its wildlife. As far as British cars went, the main difference was that Australian demands required a larger engine for a given size of car than the British market, so you got unique-to-Australia models like the ones based on the Morris Minor but with a 1.5-litre engine rather than a 1.0-litre one (the Morris Major/Austin Lancer), and six-cylinder versions of cars that were only ever four-cylinders in the UK, like the Austin Freeway/Wolseley 24/80 and the Leyland Marina. Australia also got weird hybrids like the Morris Nomad, which was a development of the BMC 1100/1300 but with the 1.5-litre engine and the hatchback tailgate of the bigger Austin Maxi, as well as things like the BMC 1800 Ute and the later facelifted 'X6' saloon versions of the same. And while in the UK the 'merger' between Austin and Morris that created the British Motor Corporation was very much an Austin takeover of Morris, in Australia it was the Morris subsidiary that had the upper hand, so for a while you got market-specific Morris versions of Austin cars like the Morris Marshal, which was only ever sold in the UK as the Austin Westminster.

BalloonFish fucked around with this message at 19:01 on May 1, 2023

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Hadlock: Nov 9, 2004

BalloonFish posted:

The place is Slough (pronounced 'Slow', rhyming with 'now' or 'cow'), about 20 miles west of London. It's home to
...

if you were a European car maker and you wanted to sell cars in the UK (or the British Empire) you had to build them in-market. We also had the Horsepower Tax, which used an entirely theoretical and useless definition of 'horsepower', formulated specifically to hobble the commercial prospects of the Ford Model T once they started to be built in the UK. To get around the McKenna Duty at least 51% of a car - by value - had to be British-sourced, but the TA's built at Slough comfortable exceeded that - engines and gearboxes were originally shipped from France, but later were assembled using British-made components on French castings/casings. The bodies were stamped, assembled and painted locally and the Slough Citroens had British electrical components, wheels, tyres, instruments and external brightwork. To account for both the McKenna Duties and differing tastes they also had unique wooden dashboards, leather seats and full cabin carpeting. I believe that, like the 2CVs built at Slough later, they all came with uprated 'Colonial-spec' suspension, body waterproofing and air cleaners.

Yeah the Slough built traction avants famously roughly half of them came with a sunroof from the factory, almost all of them rusted to dust as they leaked badly, also were built with trafficators; mine didn't come with them but there's a knock out panel for them - I guess Belgian colonial models didn't require them for '54. The Slough built ones have interiors kind of similar to a jaguar of the era but they're wrong side drive

What's this about the model T legislation? Any additional reading I can do on that. Been getting into model T and model A history and I've mostly mined out the surface layer "lore"

As I understand it the post war traction avant mostly was sold in the 1.9L due to French tax hp (cv 11 literally means 11 tax horsepower, for anyone who isn't balloon fish or painter of crap) and the tax was largely in place after the war because

1) gas was super scarce
2) gas was so expensive that people made wood gas at home and converted most of the remaining 20,000(!!!) surviving cars to run on it
3) austerity (which I learned basically means government mandated poor) because everyone was broke from fighting the war

But I'm curious to hear about tax stuff keeping Americans out of euro manufacturing

Hadlock fucked around with this message at 21:13 on May 1, 2023

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Mustache Ride: Sep 11, 2001

radwood austin last weekend

Full album (its attached to my account it won't go away): https://imgur.com/a/V8Urlne

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BalloonFish: Jun 30, 2013; Fun Shoe

Hadlock posted:

What's this about the model T legislation? Any additional reading I can do on that. Been getting into model T and model A history and I've mostly mined out the surface layer "lore"

As I understand it the post war traction avant mostly was sold in the 1.9L due to French tax hp (cv 11 literally means 11 tax horsepower, for anyone who isn't balloon fish or painter of crap) and the tax was largely in place after the war because

I'm not aware of any specific reading (Ford history - especially Model T/A/Y period - is not something I've ever delved too deep into) but the wiki page on Tax Horsepower covers it pretty well.

Basically the production methods behind the T meant Ford could offer a big, powerful, rugged and versatile car for the price of a small, weedy, fragile, cramped 'light car' in Britain. Trade tariffs kept the Model T's price in Britain relatively high, but in 1910, when Ford was looking at setting up a British factory for Model Ts, British car makers lobbied the government for a solution, which came in the form of the Horsepower Tax, as determined by a formula relating to cylinder dimensions devised by the Royal Automobile Club. The tax was £1 per year per 'RAC Horsepower', and it penalised cars with large-capacity wide-bore engines...like the Model T. So while Ford could sell you a Tin Lizzie for £175 (much less than an inferior British car) it would incur an extra bill of £22 - more than double its similarly priced domestic rivals - every year that quickly ate into that advantage.

The RAC formula was written on the basis of certain average factors like piston speed and effective pressure which held true in 1910 but were entirely obsolete even a decade later, hence why the tax horsepower and the actual horsepower ratings diverged so much. It also all-but forced British car makers to use sidevalve engines with narrow bores and long strokes, which were therefore inefficient and very fragile when driven at 'high' speeds.

The French CV system was similar but had a rather more permissive with regard to engine design and dimensions and was more of a way of progressively taxing bigger cars (owned by wealthy people) and penalising outright performance.

The original Traction was the 1.3-litre 7CV, which must have been truly, glacial slow. It was quickly supplemented by the 1.5-litre 9CV, then the 1.6-litre 9CV, and then the definitive 1.9-litre 11CV version. The big six-cylinder ones were 16CV and the fabled V8 would have been 22CV. The CV formula also had adjustments for the final drive ratio (because it factored in engine speed) - lots of French cars of the era came with an optional 'economy' high-gear back end which made acceleration in top gear almost impossible, decreased the fuel consumption and wear and tear and knocked a point off the CV rating. Pre-war, Citroën did a 1.6-litre 7CV-rated version of the Traction for skinflint motorists.

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verbal enema: May 23, 2009; onlymarfans.com

Howdy I'm looking for a rally car video where the driver hits part of a gate on a country road and fucks his left tire up but keeps going a million miles an hour I believe the video was shot in car

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Darchangel: Feb 12, 2009; Tell him about the blower!

Mustache Ride posted:

radwood austin last weekend

Full album (its attached to my account it won't go away): https://imgur.com/a/V8Urlne

I have *got* to plan for that one of these years. Austin's not exactly next door to DFW, but it's too close not to go.

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verbal enema: May 23, 2009; onlymarfans.com

verbal enema posted:

Howdy I'm looking for a rally car video where the driver hits part of a gate on a country road and fucks his left tire up but keeps going a million miles an hour I believe the video was shot in car

it was this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxDz0Z066NI

# ? May 2, 2023 00:04

Pile Of Garbage: May 28, 2007

Pretty sure this is awesome AI car poo poo, or at least an impending horrible mechanical failure: someone has put a Crown Vic up on jackstands, cranked it to 105Mph and left it running with a live stream.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=live?9BjgbLd2uHk

Been going for 9 hours now, looking forward to seeing how it turns out :lol:

# ? May 2, 2023 09:01

LimaBiker: Dec 9, 2020

What would make it fail? Are they geared in such a way that it's already redlining at that speed?

The main danger i see is having it drop of the jackstands due to vibration and stuff.

# ? May 2, 2023 13:10

BuckyDoneGun: Nov 30, 2004; fat drunk

Seemed pretty solid on the stands when they set it up, in a "that aint going nowhere" fashion at least. At 105mph it was turning about 3000rpm. What's gunna make it fail is the million dollar question. 2400 mi per day for a month (the goal) is 72000 mi. Is the oil gunna poo poo itself? Cooling? Trans/fluid? Will they miss a refuel?

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Saukkis: May 16, 2003; Unless I'm on the inside curve pointing straight at oncoming traffic the high beams stay on and I laugh at your puny protest flashes.
I am Most Important Man. Most Important Man in the World.

On a such a light load I'd expect it to last quite long, considering a Cessna can fly for two months.

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boxen: Feb 20, 2011

That link was broken for me, apparently because they stopped the stream for a bit? Here's the video of it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BjgbLd2uHk

There's a pinned comment saying "Just made it so you guys can rewind. We're going to end the stream in the morning to swap out this crappy camera. Last fuel up was 6:35pm expect another in 8 hours. "

# ? May 2, 2023 16:56

Darchangel: Feb 12, 2009; Tell him about the blower!

MrYenko posted:

That fuckin noise gawDAMN.

I know right? It�s like a V8, bit you can still hear the VW in there.

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Nidhg00670000: Mar 26, 2010; We're in the pipe, five by five.; Grimey Drawer

boxen posted:

That link was broken for me, apparently because they stopped the stream for a bit? Here's the video of it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BjgbLd2uHk

There's a pinned comment saying "Just made it so you guys can rewind. We're going to end the stream in the morning to swap out this crappy camera. Last fuel up was 6:35pm expect another in 8 hours. "

Spoiler, it already broke.

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Humbug Scoolbus: Apr 25, 2008; The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.; Clapping Larry

BuckyDoneGun posted:

Seemed pretty solid on the stands when they set it up, in a "that aint going nowhere" fashion at least. At 105mph it was turning about 3000rpm. What's gunna make it fail is the million dollar question. 2400 mi per day for a month (the goal) is 72000 mi. Is the oil gunna poo poo itself? Cooling? Trans/fluid? Will they miss a refuel?

They even parked another Crown Vic front bumper to bumper to it, so if it does go off the jack stands, it probably won't go too far.

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boxen: Feb 20, 2011

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHHmYgwi3QA

Moneyshot (moneysound?) at about 6:48.

# ? May 2, 2023 20:54

Darchangel: Feb 12, 2009; Tell him about the blower!

Needs a clutch, otherwise, not bad.

# ? May 2, 2023 21:35

Hadlock: Nov 9, 2004

These would have sold like hot cakes has they painted a fire chicken on the hood :allears:

3.2L of Maserati ~~furry~~ fury under there

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Beve Stuscemi: Jun 6, 2001

I know that�s real but it looks like an AI made it

# ? May 3, 2023 02:39

The Door Frame: Dec 5, 2011; I don't know man everytime I go to the gym here there are like two huge dudes with raging high and tights snorting Nitro-tech off of each other's rock hard abs.

Beve Stuscemi posted:

I know that’s real but it looks like an AI made it

You just gotta count the license plates

# ? May 3, 2023 04:26

Raluek: Nov 3, 2006; WUT.

boxen posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHHmYgwi3QA

Moneyshot (moneysound?) at about 6:48.

disappointing that the trigger isnt connected to the throttle. i hope the battery from the drill is at least used for cranking, otherwise it's just a fancy handle and kind of a waste

# ? May 3, 2023 07:54

Humphreys: Jan 26, 2013; We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule

boxen posted:

That link was broken for me, apparently because they stopped the stream for a bit? Here's the video of it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BjgbLd2uHk

There's a pinned comment saying "Just made it so you guys can rewind. We're going to end the stream in the morning to swap out this crappy camera. Last fuel up was 6:35pm expect another in 8 hours. "

It's Cleetus so gently caress him

# ? May 3, 2023 09:49

Night Danger Moose: Jan 5, 2004; YO SOY FIESTA

Hadlock posted:

These would have sold like hot cakes has they painted a fire chicken on the hood 3.2L of Maserati ~~furry~~ fury under there

I'm in Annapolis and one of these has come to our regular Cars & Coffee a couple times. It's incredible.

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Blue Footed Booby: Oct 4, 2006; got those happy feet

What are the things that look like kinder egg capsules?

# ? May 3, 2023 12:36

Powershift: Nov 23, 2009

Blue Footed Booby posted:

What are the things that look like kinder egg capsules?

hydraulic accumulators. There is a diaphragm in the middle, and the top is filled with nitrogen. It's where it gets the suspension, from the hydraulic fluid in the suspension pushing against the diaphragm compressing the nitrogen.

Powershift fucked around with this message at 12:59 on May 3, 2023

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Beve Stuscemi: Jun 6, 2001

The Door Frame posted:

You just gotta count the license plates

License plates: the fingers of the car world

# ? May 3, 2023 12:59

Powershift: Nov 23, 2009

Beve Stuscemi posted:

License plates: the fingers of the car world

They are the teeth of AI Art.

The fingers are wheel spokes.

# ? May 3, 2023 13:01

Applebees Appetizer: Jan 23, 2006

Humphreys posted:

It's Cleetus so gently caress him

Clearly he's running out of ideas for content, he should probably start looking for a job

# ? May 3, 2023 13:32

BalloonFish: Jun 30, 2013; Fun Shoe

Powershift posted:

hydraulic accumulators. There is a diaphragm in the middle, and the top is filled with nitrogen. It's where it gets the suspension, from the hydraulic fluid in the suspension pushing against the diaphragm compressing the nitrogen.

To add: the ones on each side are the suspension spheres (connected by pushrods to the suspension arms), which work as described - suspension rod pushes on piston, piston pushes against hydraulic fluid, hydraulic fluid pushes against nitrogen, nitrogen is the springing medium. The hydraulic fluid passes through restrictor valves in the sphere mounting, which acts as the damper (as well as tuned-mass weights built into the diaphragm within the sphere). The pressure of the fluid sets the ride height. The pressure of the nitrogen sets the stiffness of the suspension.

The sphere in the middle is identical in construction but the opposite in function. It's job is to act as an accumulator for hydraulic pressure - when the system is fully pressurised it compresses the nitrogen. If the engine suddenly quits, the drive belt snaps or the hydraulic pump suffers an instant failure the nitrogen pushing back against the fluid retains a certain amount of pressure in the system - at least enough to allow for one decent application of the brakes and some steering action (on an SM both the brakes and the steering are run off the hydraulic system). The system is arranged so that if the pump isn't running you first lose your suspension, then your steering, then your brakes. In fact as the suspension settles in absence of hydraulic pressure, it squeezes more fluid back into the brake circuit to keep the pressure up there a little longer.

I actually drove one of the SM's later, smaller and much more basic cousins today:

Gloriously basic BX - 1.4, carburettor with choke, no power steering, manual everything else. It's almost shocking to be reminded how basic a 'basic family car' was in 1988.

BalloonFish fucked around with this message at 18:34 on May 3, 2023

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