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Arzaac posted:Pros of waiting: I was able to use Chef Ryoshu, who is legitimately fantastic and I'm pretty sure I achieved some clears way quicker than I otherwise would've. (She's also actually able to do the lust 15 skill check on the final stage, which it seems like very few sinners can) The final stage skill check is adaptive and is always (as far as I've seen) "literally a perfect flip can get this and nothing else can", regardless of who you throw at it. But yeah a lot of the guides are outdated, and the most absurd sub-70 clears required bugs and mechanics that are no longer present. Yinlock posted:Evade is handy but the other two are generally useless. Pour one out for Grobhammer's lovely counteratack that is still better than his first skill As for the conversation about Defense skills they're actually all pretty useful depending on the circumstance: Blocks are capable of soaking a huge amount on the right character, often obviating damage entirely instead of taking an unwinnable clash. Dodges (as we saw during RR) can totally neuter some fight mechanics and provide a lot of potential benefit for the ones with triggers / related passives, and Counterattacks... Some of them need buffs, but I think from your reaction here you have never actually used N Meursault. Even after the changes they've made to defense targetting he is still capable of truly insane tanking, because Protection is absolutely absurd and his first skill means he doesn't even HAVE stagger thresholds. I do personally think, fwiw: > Charge shouldn't decay, or should be earned more reliably on some idents who are currently lacking in sources vs. their output. > Poise shouldn't decay, and crits could stand to be a little more stronger or interesting. > Defense skills should have color in order to better encourage using them, right now Sinclair is already going to break "but that's Counter's niche" as an excuse.
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Ariamaki posted:The final stage skill check is adaptive and is always (as far as I've seen) "literally a perfect flip can get this and nothing else can", regardless of who you throw at it. On my first try none of my sinners could do it. The number was literally always bigger than their biggest possible number, and the percentage chance was listed at 5%. Switched in Ryoshu specifically because it had a lust advantage that she could hit.
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Getting to 83 without using any discard tech (They patched it out after I got to robot mans, and I didn't need it for the first four fights) was certainly an experience I don't want to repeat. I'm probably going to do it next railway, the kitty face banner bit is very good.
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TeeQueue posted:Getting to 83 without using any discard tech (They patched it out after I got to robot mans, and I didn't need it for the first four fights) was certainly an experience I don't want to repeat.
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Ariamaki posted:I do personally think, fwiw: It's telling that of the IDs that use Charge at the moment: -Reindeer Ish and Warp Don have 2 Charge Gain skills and one skill to spend it on, and are good -Heathcliff barely interfaces with Charge and is still drat good -Warp Faust and Meursault have 1 Charge Gain skill and 2 skills to spend charge on, and are cringefail (Faust did get improved with her new Telepole, but still she's not amazing)
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Ariamaki posted:but I think from your reaction here you have never actually used N Meursault. Even after the changes they've made to defense targetting he is still capable of truly insane tanking, because Protection is absolutely absurd and his first skill means he doesn't even HAVE stagger thresholds. I've used him extensively as he was one of my few usable 000s for a good while. Drive is good at making Meursault not die but is tremendously bad at anything else, which is just Meursault.txt really. Well that's a bit harsh but he's mostly held back by the all-or-nothing nature of Limbus clashing meaning that tanking isn't worth that much unlike Ruina
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Junpei posted:-Warp Faust and Meursault have 1 Charge Gain skill and 2 skills to spend charge on, and are cringefail (Faust did get improved with her new Telepole, but still she's not amazing) I misread that as WASP Faust and some strange timelines came to mind.
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Quackles posted:I misread that as WASP Faust and some strange timelines came to mind. The One Who Lives In A Gated Community
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Yinlock posted:The One Who Lives In A Gated Community That's just Nest dwellers, innit?
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TeeQueue posted:Getting to 83 without using any discard tech (They patched it out after I got to robot mans, and I didn't need it for the first four fights) was certainly an experience I don't want to repeat. Kitty face? Do we already know something about the appearance of the next banner? ...OH, 83 turns, :3. That's loving adorable actually what the hell.  Yinlock posted:The One Who Lives In A Gated Community Local Bake Sale Remnant
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Yinlock posted:I've used him extensively as he was one of my few usable 000s for a good while. Drive is good at making Meursault not die but is tremendously bad at anything else, which is just Meursault.txt really. In a lot of situations it seems like it's just better to tank an unopposed hit on the chin with Meursalt's beefy hp/stagger pool and then just make an unopposed attack (or a winning clash) on a different part of the boss. The protection buff from the counter isn't really worth the loss of damage and/or action economy to use it just for that. It's better now with the changes to defense skill targeting though, since it means meursault can potentially eat two hard-to-clash moves in a turn. But opportunities to actually do that, where just clashing with his skill 1 wouldn't be better, are pretty rare.
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Ariamaki posted:...OH, 83 turns, :3. That's loving adorable actually what the hell. I am willing to do a lot to get a cute 83 face on my banner, and I'll probably do it again because I don't know what it means to have control over my life.
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Outside the amount of grinding required sucking I think something else that really annoyed me - and I'm not sure if it's a bug or not - is that you can sometimes get kinda hosed over with the layout. I don't mind that you can't always get both event gift nodes, that's fine. But what I don't like is multiple paths taking you through multiple ? nodes, and then getting a combat node that...rewards an EGO gift instead of level up. One run had 3 sinners stuck at 15 which made the boss really annoying. I don't think that there should be an RNG element to what reward nodes give! the one sword combat node icon always gives a level up in MD so I dunno why it wasn't the case here.
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One sword combats can give gifts in the MD as well, actually. I do agree though, it's a weird design decision. PM should just make normal fights always give levels and Elites always give gifts as is pretty standard for this type of game.
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Hey, does anybody knows where I can get the background of the Cane Office? I know the ProjectMoon Community Hub had a drive full of the game asset but apparently, they had a bunch of raid and so the server has gone into lockdown. I tried to search a bit of the world wide web but all I got were screenshot of the dialogue. Thanks in advance.
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L.U.I.G.I posted:Hey, does anybody knows where I can get the background of the Cane Office? I know the ProjectMoon Community Hub had a drive full of the game asset but apparently, they had a bunch of raid and so the server has gone into lockdown. I tried to search a bit of the world wide web but all I got were screenshot of the dialogue. https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1TLm0Or_61c-HW9cmzcV0B1qlF9SBpkJ1 google drive of ruina assets. cane office is probably in here somewhere.
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Lord_Magmar posted:Yi Sang is going to be the 3O because he's the focus figure of the next chapter and I'm assuming it'll be like G Corp Gregor and N Corp Sinclair. f in the chat for our girl rodya N Sinclair does bring me hope in that if purposefully bad sanity is an option then maybe it's possible that one day What Is Cast's passive won't be an active hindrance to the team.
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t3isukone posted:f in the chat for our girl rodya I think Rodion doesn't get one in part because she hasn't really resolved/confronted her past properly, not in the same way Gregor and Sinclair have. Plus they might be not wanting to reveal what Yurodiv do in terms of game mechanics yet.
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DuoRogue posted:https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1TLm0Or_61c-HW9cmzcV0B1qlF9SBpkJ1 It's going to take a while to find it but thank you for sharing it! edit: FOUND IT! L.U.I.G.I fucked around with this message at 16:21 on May 3, 2023 |
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:In a lot of situations it seems like it's just better to tank an unopposed hit on the chin with Meursalt's beefy hp/stagger pool and then just make an unopposed attack (or a winning clash) on a different part of the boss. To his credit he was real good when I was just trying to get through the railway earlier than I should have, I could take him along to let people rest and he would somehow survive even though he started the fight at like 20% HP and got the poo poo kicked out of him for the entire thing. Lord_Magmar posted:I think Rodion doesn't get one in part because she hasn't really resolved/confronted her past properly, not in the same way Gregor and Sinclair have. Plus they might be not wanting to reveal what Yurodiv do in terms of game mechanics yet. tbf Gregor and Sinclair haven't really either, they kinda stopped partway through. Gregor's working through how much the city seems to hate the continued survival of tools that have outlived their usefulness, and Sinclair is on some 5th dimensional vision quest where everything is both metaphorical and real at the same time. The smug armchair revolutionary guy is probably my favorite rival though. Everyone who's done an activism has met that jackass at some point.
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Yinlock posted:The smug armchair revolutionary guy is probably my favorite rival though. Everyone who's done an activism has met that jackass at some point. We're raising the bar for Praxis pretty high if organizing a lefty organization with actual presence (even if it's not Big League presence) in a place like the City is not enough to lift us from the armchair, methinks
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Given that Chapter 4 is going to be Bigger than the last, I'd be surprised if while Yi Sang is the major focus of it, Gregor and/or Sinclair don't get some extra bits because they're connecting N Corp proper to Nagel Und Hammer or Hermann's supervising an experiment of Gubo or what have ya.
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Theantero posted:We're raising the bar for Praxis pretty high if organizing a lefty organization with actual presence (even if it's not Big League presence) in a place like the City is not enough to lift us from the armchair, methinks If he didn't want to called an armchair intellectual, he shouldn't have spent so much time telling Rodion to sit down and think more.
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Lurks With Wolves posted:If he didn't want to called an armchair intellectual, he shouldn't have spent so much time telling Rodion to sit down and think more. this was actually good advice though. i doubt that anyone trapped on the purgatory freak bus has made the best choices in life
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Theantero posted:We're raising the bar for Praxis pretty high if organizing a lefty organization with actual presence (even if it's not Big League presence) in a place like the City is not enough to lift us from the armchair, methinks He's not really doing that though, he's spending all his time having Big Important Discussions and going on about how we simply must wait for the proper time but doing very little to actually help anyone and talking down to the people that do. He also keeps emphasizing the leaders rather than the people. It's pretty standard fare for a careerist using a leftist organization as a stepping stone for their own political ladder-climbing rather than someone with an actual interest in helping people(there will always be approximately 500 of these assholes trying to weasel their way into any significant leftist movement) He preys on peoples' hopes for a better world to offer them empty dreams, something he tries on Rodion and she immediately rejects. He also keeps insisting that Rodion killed that pawnbroker purely out of pride with nothing at all backing that up which is pretty funny to me, as it betrays that he can't really understand why she did it and assumes it must be out of arrogance rather than being pushed to her breaking point from watching everyone she knows starve and die. e: Just a fun hateable dude. He's not a mysterious coat person like the Ch. 1 gang nor some fever dream wizard like Damien, he's just an rear end in a top hat careerist. A+ can't wait to beat him up. Yinlock fucked around with this message at 22:35 on May 3, 2023 |
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Rodion also agrees with him that the pawnbroker kill was more than just survival, and regrets it because it got everyone she loves slaughtered because she acted without thinking beyond the first kill. Also he comes across as legitimately interested in creating a new better world. Part of this ideal leads him to help the Sinners get the Bough in opposition of the mission he was meant to be completing for his group. Lord_Magmar fucked around with this message at 00:45 on May 4, 2023 |
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considering Sonya's role in the original work it makes sense this version wouldnt be totally adversarial
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I'd like to note the unnamed 1-cost that beats fervid is Smoke Smash, because I usually get it before i get fervid and kind of forgot you don't. It rolls 7-11 9-12 before any other statuses beyond having 9 smoke, which is on average with fervid's emo 2-3 rolls and only slightly below its emo 4-5.
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Lord_Magmar posted:Rodion also agrees with him that the pawnbroker kill was more than just survival, and regrets it because it got everyone she loves slaughtered because she acted without thinking beyond the first kill. He keeps hammering on the idea that it was pride and nothing else, which she never really acknowledges. She does imply that he knew how that situation was eventually going to turn out and kinda just sat there and let it happen though but it's really vague so who the gently caress knows. I don't think he's 100% evil but I think he's been palling around with the Big Thought Leaders for so long that he's completely lost touch with the proles and is now only concerned with leadership from the chosen few. I mean a normal careerist would never even touch the idea of wealth redistribution, but he's also not currently being W Serum'd so I don't think it also applies to the Head.
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DuoRogue posted:I'd like to note the unnamed 1-cost that beats fervid is Smoke Smash, because I usually get it before i get fervid and kind of forgot you don't. It rolls 7-11 9-12 before any other statuses beyond having 9 smoke, which is on average with fervid's emo 2-3 rolls and only slightly below its emo 4-5. GilliamYaeger fucked around with this message at 01:49 on May 4, 2023 |
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Not gonna lie, I'm pretty sure that the plan of Sonya will never work, since the Head can basically be considered as a Godly entity. They hold all the Singularities, past and present, have an over-whelming military power and they are the one who calls the shot. They also got everyone brainwashed to follow their culture (Which I'm pretty sure they enact out of sadistic pleasure or to watch "interesting" story unfolded under their gaze) and everyone is scared to go against them. In order to proprely overthrow the Head, Sonya would need to go against the entire City and their will, which is nigh impossible due to the nature of it. Also, that begs the question, who is at the top of the Head? Is a person? A group of person? Or is the collective will of the Head itself that dictate where it's going? If it's the last option, then it would be probably impossible to overthrow the Head withouth destroying it completely, no? TL;DR : The City is immortal due to the Head, which I'm pretty sure is also immortal. Oh and Sonya is probably an idiot or a genius.
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L.U.I.G.I posted:Not gonna lie, I'm pretty sure that the plan of Sonya will never work, since the Head can basically be considered as a Godly entity. They hold all the Singularities, past and present, have an over-whelming military power and they are the one who calls the shot. They also got everyone brainwashed to follow their culture (Which I'm pretty sure they enact out of sadistic pleasure or to watch "interesting" story unfolded under their gaze) and everyone is scared to go against them. In order to proprely overthrow the Head, Sonya would need to go against the entire City and their will, which is nigh impossible due to the nature of it. The Head mostly keeps power by making sure everyone is too busy struggling just to survive to fight back. They only really care if someone threatens to disrupt the status quo, or starts seeing the victims of the City as people. 
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Sinclair Skill 1: 8 -2 -2 Sinclair Skill 2: 16 -4 -4 -4 -4 Sinclair Skill 3: 30 -12 -12 -12 Defensive Skill: 17 - 7 Jesus loving christ that skill 3.
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Holy poo poo yeah that boy does not want to touch his S3 with positive sanity. gently caress even his S2 goes down to 0 if he gets all heads. He'll be pretty useful against any paralysis heavy boss, though.
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Arzaac posted:Holy poo poo yeah that boy does not want to touch his S3 with positive sanity. gently caress even his S2 goes down to 0 if he gets all heads.
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Don and Sinclair don't have combat sprites for me...Compensation lunacy on the way??
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GilliamYaeger posted:It doesn't matter if he has high sanity with his skill 3. Its clash power gets stronger as it loses coins. Even if you have positive Sanity going in, that last coin will always be 18-30. That's basically an EGO. Which, I suppose, is fitting considering its animation. I mean, that's cool and all but I'd still be hesitant to use it before dumping his sanity. Kinda feels like a waste of all that damage potential to win a clash and hit for 18-30. That being said though, he is an incredibly strong clasher, huh?
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Also the specifics for SP management: First Sinclair coin costs 7, second costs 10, third costs 15. Defense restores 5~10, passive (which only requires two red OWNED) halves all SP gain from clash wins and kills.
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