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Blue Footed Booby posted:Well that's pretty cool I've never experienced it, but Citroens with that suspension apparently have AMAZINGLY comfortable rides, and don't handle like barges. Fantastically complicated system but when it works it WORKS.
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Nidhg00670000 posted:I know it's not quite as simple as this, but that was 35 years ago. 35 years before that and you landed in 1953. Feels like a lot bigger leap more recently. Good perspective though.
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Nidhg00670000 posted:I know it's not quite as simple as this, but that was 35 years ago. 35 years before that and you landed in 1953. I know what you mean - it's more that I grew up with my parents driving cars of similar age and spec and they didn't seem as spartan - it was just what cars had (or didn't have) then. It's interesting that there really wasn't anything on this BX that set it apart from a 1953 car in terms of 'toys'. Mechanical spec, yes (OHC engine, five-speed gearbox, four-wheel disc brakes, plus the suspension and other Citroen weirdness). The only thing that I think would have impressed someone with a typical family car in 1953 would have been the heated rear window. A single-blade wiper, manual windows, unpainted exterior plastics, rubber floor mats, only instruments a speedo and a clock (plus inactive warning lights for things it doesn't have, like a turbo and a catalytic converter). That BX didn't even have a radio, although being French it did have a cigarette lighter.... The 1990s always seem to me when ordinary mass-market cars suddenly started having a lot more 'stuff', although this may be UK/Euro-centric. In the late 80s/early 90s neither of my parents' cars had air-con, one set of grandparents was rocking a VW Golf with one wing mirror and no rear wiper and the other had an Austin Metro that was quite high-spec because it had a tachometer and a clock. My best friend at school's Dad had a BMW E34 which was impossibly fancy because it had power steering, air-con, a fuel economy gauge, reading lights and a trip computer. Then in the following decade it became entirely normal for any half-decent family car to have PAS, a/c (or even climate control), a CD player, variable-pause wipers, trip computers and so on. boxen posted:I've never experienced it, but Citroens with that suspension apparently have AMAZINGLY comfortable rides, and don't handle like barges. Fantastically complicated system but when it works it WORKS. Can confirm the ride quality. The early models (DS and CX Series 1 especially) are a bit floaty and roly-poly, but only a normal amount for a 1950s/1960s large comfort-orientated car. Citroen tweaked the tuning through the generations, gradually making the road manners more 'normal' until by the 2000s the hydropneumatic cars just rode and drove like ordinary cars with better-than-average ordinary suspension. The BX is really in the sweet spot where it still completely soaks up even large bumps (seriously - full-size speed humps just get sucked up by the suspension with just a 'squish-thunk' noise and a little rattle from the plastic dash trim - no actual motion of the body or the occupants) but has excellent body control. From then on they kept shortening the wheel travel, raising the spring rates and - especially - firming up the damping so the secondary ride got ever-more fidgety.
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boxen posted:I've never experienced it, but Citroens with that suspension apparently have AMAZINGLY comfortable rides, and don't handle like barges. Fantastically complicated system but when it works it WORKS. Rolls Royce licensed the technology and used it at one point in all their cars, they may still use it but I haven't looked under the hood of a RR since I bought my Citroen
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Hadlock posted:Rolls Royce licensed the technology and used it at one point in all their cars, they may still use it but I haven't looked under the hood of a RR since I bought my Citroen R-R haven't used hydropneumatic suspension since the BMW v. VW bust-up and the introduction of the all-new model line in the early 2000s - they've all used four-wheel adjustable air suspension. But from the Silver Shadow (1965) to the end of the Silver Seraph (2002) R-Rs (and Bentleys) used the licensed Citroen technology. The actual components and installation were very different, and developed and built in-house by Rolls-Royce - it was the basic principles and tech that they licensed, not the parts themselves. Crucially, on a Rolls-Royce the hydropneumatics worked in parallel with a conventional steel coil spring/telescopic damper system, whereas on a Citroen the car almost literally 'floated' on its balls of gas and oil. For the Rolls the system was really only there to allow for self-levelling. It also allowed for R-Rs to have Citroen-style power hydraulic brakes. After only a few years the hydropneumatics were removed from the front suspension because it was demonstrated that they did almost nothing with regard to ride quality (actually a small negative effect, if anything), load-carrying or roadholding while incurring production costs and maintenance requirements. So then only the rear wheels had Citroen-type spheres.
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I've driven a GSA (aircooled flat 4, the smallest of the hydropneumatic Citroens) and a BX. The GSA is a blast. Lovely roaring engine. It does feel out of place in a floaty, comfy car. The suspension is nice and floaty, but you never feel disconnected. The steering is a bit odd - you first start pitching before you start turning into a corner. Comfort wise - large bumps feel like they are made of lukewarm chocolate. You feel the initial hit, but then it's like the wheels just melt through the bump, and halfway through the car the bump is gone. One weak spot is long, high bulges in the road. Think 'old fasioned bridge over a little creek'. If you unload the suspension and then come back down, it's very easy to hit the bump stops. It does only do it on such 'arched' things. Never happens on railroad crossings, speed humps etc. The brakes are a delight. Best braking old car i've ever driven. I'm normally not very enthousiastic about servo/powered anything, but the GSA's brakes just feel natural, even if the pedal travel is less than a centimeter or so. I was less impressed by the BX. Uncomfortably bitey brakes, those in the GSA were also hydropneumatic but much easier to modulate. Overall felt like a decent normal family car to me. Only things like speed humps felt like they were handled better than in a conventional car. I guess it was fine, but on good roads the ride quality just wasn't better than that of a conventional car. I've also been a passenger in a 2010s Citroen C5, with conventional suspension (hydro was still an option). That thing literally felt like a coach, in the way you felt detached from anything that was happening under the wheels. Very smooth and lovely as a passenger, but i can't imagine it's any good for the driver unless you like the experience of driving a car as in a video game.
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Starting up a Citroen never gets old: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPg7Ha84ZY0&t=68s Might be my next project edit: when I lived in France in the mid 70s, it was a requirement of French automakers that their cars had to be capable of being crank-started: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVbjVezFW5k&t=86s PainterofCrap fucked around with this message at 03:31 on May 4, 2023 |
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PainterofCrap posted:Starting up a Citroen never gets old: Until the citroen rose up on its suspension to reveal there was a little dog barking behind it, I thought that the noise must be the car's hydraulics making a tiny version of the Airbus "barking dog" hydraulic PTU sound. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEG1ZfPHkVo
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boxen posted:I've never experienced it, but Citroens with that suspension apparently have AMAZINGLY comfortable rides, and don't handle like barges. Fantastically complicated system but when it works it WORKS. Yeah those cars own. And adjustable ride hight too lmao
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I got given a free Ford Laser today... and potentially means it's either going to stay as a runaround or I do what I did to my last TX3s...money pit.
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Humphreys posted:I got given a free Ford Laser today... and potentially means it's either going to stay as a runaround or I do what I did to my last TX3s...money pit. I know what your TX3 was so.... MOOOOONEY PIIIIIT. And do a thread for your decent into hell
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My dad had a Citroën C5 and that thing was smooooooth. The suspension lowered itself when you hit 50mph for aero purposes, it was a very cool system. You could raise it too if you were ever caught down a particularly lovely country lane.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRP_S-2r6Xg Look at that loving velour Look at the greenhouse Check out the space in the rear Gauges and dials with hands that move HVAC with "too many buttons" Mazda should make the new Mazda6 with the I6 look just like that
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I miss my BX, brakes were incredible, mocking boy racers by dropping the suspension then cruising past in a cum-coloured plastic Citroen never got old (and generally got a few laughs) 3d printed V6 can carrier
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tinned owl posted:I miss my BX, brakes were incredible, mocking boy racers by dropping the suspension then cruising past in a cum-coloured plastic Citroen never got old (and generally got a few laughs) Source to V6 Can Holder? I have an ida that involves peltier modules...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQA9FiqKct8 A report on the BBC Camera car - a Citroen DS Break with a huge camera on top and a little trailer for a generator for the camera electronics. Really neat.
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LimaBiker posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQA9FiqKct8 Awesome selection of 1970s tin parked up outside the BBC near the end of that report: Fiat 500, Austin Allegro, Citroen Dyane, Reliant Regal Supervan, VW Beetle, Renault 4, DAF 33, couple of Austin FX4 black cabs, a BMC 2200 in the executive parking space, Renault 6, Mazda 1300, Ford Cortina, Standard Ten, Morris Marina Coupe, tatty Mk1 Mini, Volvo 140, Reliant Scimitar GTE, Lancaster Beta Coupe and another Mini. If we're posting old Citroen archive clips; https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=txwMP9nOpGY This is Brigette Bardot causing traffic chaos in Paris behind the wheel of an early ripple-bonnet 2CV. It's full of vintage French motors, but my favourite bit is at the 2:05 mark when the two Citroen DSs rise and fall in sync as the suspension self-levels when their owners get out.
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          Somewhere in Tokyo
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That is a very expensive, exciting, and potentially loud room.
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Looks like a house in gta where exotic cars spawn for you to steal
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MrYenko posted:That is a very expensive, exciting, and potentially loud room. Is that Captain Haddock in the background?
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ishikabibble posted:Is that Captain Haddock in the background? And Tintin and Milou behind him.
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KakerMix posted:Somewhere in Tokyo  That's one hell of a garage.
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KakerMix posted:Somewhere in Tokyo https://bingosportsworld.com/
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I think there are a few locations in Japan if not Tokyo, one of the guys from the rally wanted to go to this specific location so I tagged along. When we got there I had no idea what was even there, so it was a very pleasant surprise to just...be this close to these cars with nobody else around besides us. That Lamborghini Diablo was also there, you can see it just to the left of the F40's rear tire in that picture on the ground.
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Harry drives Audi's heritage fleet NSU Ro80 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEcw_fGdMmQ
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My son was just gifted an '05 Audi A4 Quattro V6 convertible. It runs but may need coil packs. Will need a top and a front bumper cover. The car otherwise looks surprisingly good for its age. Are there any major issues we should watch for as we revive it? PainterofCrap fucked around with this message at 20:16 on May 7, 2023 |
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PainterofCrap posted:My son was just gifted an '05 Audi A4 Quattro V6 convertible. It runs but may need coil packs. Will need a top and a front bumper cover. The car otherwise looks surprisingly good for its age. Geez lucky boy... but it sure isn't a B5 1998 model :P
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I guess Hyundai's delorian + BMW m1-looking lovechild Hyundai N Vision 74 is going into production  Never ordered a new car before, but I'll be looking at this more closely when the official production version is revealed
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That car could reverse my decision to never order a new car again... It'll probably be way too expensive for me anyway so who am I kidding.
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Hadlock posted:I guess Hyundai's delorian + BMW m1-looking lovechild Hyundai N Vision 74 is going into production Can't wait to see how much they ruin it.
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Hadlock posted:I guess Hyundai's delorian + BMW m1-looking lovechild Hyundai N Vision 74 is going into production Will believe it when I see it. Hard to imagine green lighting a hydrogen car when even EV chargers aren't widespread.
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Olympic Mathlete posted:Can't wait to see how much they ruin it. Maybe this one won't be able to be stolen with a phone charger or maybe it'll have a transmission that doesn't blow up so often that it'd need a recall
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Hadlock posted:I guess Hyundai's delorian + BMW m1-looking lovechild Hyundai N Vision 74 is going into production That thing looks so good, especially the wheels.
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At least one of the auto rags I was reading was predicting it'll come with the electric supercharged 409hp V8 out of the Apparently the physical concept car is a Kia Stinger (4 door, rwd sedan), and converting it to 2 door probably yields additional space in the engine bay Given the anemic uptake of hydrogen in the US I doubt this is part of an American hydrogen campaign
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MrOnBicycle posted:That car could reverse my decision to never order a new car again... With 0-down, 96 month payment plans, any poor financial decisions are possible
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