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honestly I think Kerekere has handled this pretty well and at this point the people leaking to the media have done more damage to the party than she has
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I heard her explanation of the texts where she said she was talking about herself and it makes complete sense to me. Like how I'll message my brother about how I'm all excited over getting some lovely raspberry pi config to work and then immediately follow that up with the Homer Simpson "NEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRD!" gif.
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May 5, 2023 20:55
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Progressive JPEG posted:there's no drama like greens drama It's not even good drama, crybaby is a nothing insult
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May 5, 2023 21:16
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Even if the texts were about Chloe (I think they were) it was a petty problem that probably needed to be followed up in a low key way to make sure she wasn't bullying people, but that wasn't possible because the green party has no loving decorum or discipline and has members leaking poo poo to the media and creating a circus over the issue.
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bike tory posted:Even if the texts were about Chloe (I think they were) it was a pretty problem that probably needed to be followed up in a low key way to make sure she wasn't bullying people, but that wasn't possible because the green party has no loving decorum or discipline and has members leaking poo poo to the media and creating a circus over the issue. Omg what a crybaby
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May 5, 2023 21:19
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The language used made it seem like Dr Kerekere made the mistake of talking to coworkers like they were friends.
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May 5, 2023 22:24
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I've seen and heard about enough bullying bullshit in the public sector that I'm reserving judgment, but that was p tight as a response compared to nationals endless series of mp fuckups
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Supreme Court ruled that Auckland CC can restrict off-licence hours to 9pm. https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/05/05/supermarkets-lose-battle-over-auckland-alcohol-sales-hours/ Honestly it feels like a "look we did something" kind of move. I don't think it will dent harmful drinking behaviour but will definitely impact shift workers such as myself, or anyone else who keeps odd hours.
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May 6, 2023 19:49
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exmachina posted:Supreme Court ruled that Auckland CC can restrict off-licence hours to 9pm. Sucks for normal people but one of the main drivers of problem drinking is being able to extend a drinking session, so having your local bottle shop close at 9pm means fewer people will be able to restock when they finish their first round. Also why sale of alcohol through uber eats and poo poo needs to be banned.
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May 6, 2023 20:40
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Did we forget about the 6 O'clock Swill?
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Firstscion posted:Did we forget about the 6 O'clock Swill? Oh come on. This isnt even slightly similar.
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Radical 90s Wizard posted:Is it like, commonly known around chch who those sick-gently caress serial rapists that have name suppression are? A good starting point is to look at the licencing conditions applied when the owners tried to rename their bar, and also what happened to the nearby restaurant the family owns.
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May 7, 2023 00:03
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It almost sounds reasonable until I imagine having to explain this to foreigners in Auckland: Sorry, we're a stuck-up bunch of religious prudes who can't handle their wine, nobody's allowed to have fun at night since night culture is for degenerates.
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Yes, not being able to buy a crate after 9pm at some point in the future is exactly the reason Auckland's night life has been dying for years, you are very clever.
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Serephina posted:It almost sounds reasonable until I imagine having to explain this to foreigners in Auckland: Sorry, we're a stuck-up bunch of religious prudes who can't handle their wine, nobody's allowed to have fun at night since night culture is for degenerates. lmao at the idea that "night culture" is buying alcohol from the supermarket after 9pm
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May 7, 2023 00:34
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Serephina posted:It almost sounds reasonable until I imagine having to explain this to foreigners in Auckland: Sorry, we're a stuck-up bunch of religious prudes who can't handle their wine, nobody's allowed to have fun at night since night culture is for degenerates. I mean, are you suggesting as a culture we aren't degenerates who can't drink responsibly? Because I have no issue being honest with foreigners.
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bike tory posted:lmao at the idea that "night culture" is buying alcohol from the supermarket after 9pm Yeah, like I have problems with this dumb poo poo too, but lol. Auckland's nightlife (by which I mostly mean night*club*, restaurants and bars are mostly OK) suffers from problems caused by on-licence hours, property value (driving up venue rents as well as sucking up disposable income), poor transport options, poor wages, being a boring-rear end sale at Briscoes never go out once you have kids culture and big lack of decent class A gear. lovely off-licence hours is inconvenient and annoying, but lol. Explaining to foreigners? Like who? The same kind of whinging poms who won't shut up about proper pints? American's who often come from places where you can't buy booze on Sundays? Layabout Mediterranean's who stay up late at night cos they kick off and take a nap for half the afternoon?
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cptn_dr posted:Yes, not being able to buy a crate after 9pm at some point in the future is exactly the reason Auckland's night life has been dying for years, you are very clever. I never said that. It's not a long sentence, maybe you should re-read it. Other places in the world are somehow able to keep their poo poo together while enjoying an evening both in the city and at at their homes when hosting. Narrowing the hours of the sale of alcohol is the most low-effort, milquetoast, ineffectual way of addressing problem drinking while simultaneously offering the most collateral annoyances.
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May 7, 2023 00:51
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i think the issue is you think they're trying to address problem drinking as they state rather than what it actually addresses, which is pearl-clutching reddit posts about the city feeling unsafe at night because of homeless people drinking with their friends on the street.
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May 7, 2023 00:58
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After Labour denied Chloe's bill it's pretty apparent nobody has any real interest in serious alcohol harm reduction. While the motivation for this specifically is dubious, it still has some potential for good as bike tory suggested. I'm curious what other councils will do with the precedent.
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There are community organisations trying to make a difference, but it's very hard when your opposition is a horrible mix of the international alcohol lobby, the local alcohol lobby, and New Zealanders who are all like "she'll be right, my drinking is fine and nothing needs to change for anyone." My stance is kind of informed by two different perspectives -- I'm pretty into the Wellington cocktail and craft beer scene, but I'm also involved with a group doing Kaupapa Māori research into alcohol abuse among whānau. So it's simultaneously "it is deeply difficult for bars and breweries to exist thanks to lovely zoning laws, on-license hours, costs of living, etc, etc" combined with "it's too easy to get huge quantities of alcohol at home, any attempts to regulate the industry further are fought against tooth and nail by Big Business, the hyper-saturation of liquor stores in areas of social deprivation, and generally lovely drinking culture is causing generational trauma that's destroying the lives of kids and adults". So I guess I just think that, sure, liquor stores having to close and supermarkets not being able to sell beer after 9 is at best an inconvenience. But gently caress, it's something. And if you can't get pissed at your local, get kicked out when it closes at 10.00 because the neighbours keep calling noise control at 10.01 on the dot, stagger to your nearest liquorland and then keep drinking at home til you pass out as easily anymore, then my comfortable middle-class rear end is willing to put up with having to a bit of inconvenience and mockery from a foreigner. That said, from what I recall, this is just a single part of the Auckland Council's 2015 attempts at some kind of alcohol reform, it's just back in the news because after fighting it tooth and nail for 8 years, the supermarkets have been told to gently caress off by the Supreme Court. It's not like the Mayor saw a Reddit post last week and got on the blower to Big Alcohol to shut it all down.
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cptn_dr posted:There are community organisations trying to make a difference, but it's very hard when your opposition is a horrible mix of the international alcohol lobby, the local alcohol lobby, and New Zealanders who are all like "she'll be right, my drinking is fine and nothing needs to change for anyone." FWIW in my experience while problem drinking does occur in bars there are a lot of checks and balances in place - opening hours, sales to intoxicated, staff wandering around keepijng an eye on people as required by licencing laws etc the real problematic drinking is what occurs at home and removing the option to get half cut and then take a bottle home will help reduce that to some extent stamping it out entirely is probably borderline impossible but reducing the availability is a good method of harm reduction, and for god's sake uber drink deliveries need to die
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Yeah it's mildly annoying but it will absolutely impact bad drinking.
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Content to Hover posted:can't drink responsibly? Road toll does suggest so.
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WarpedNaba posted:Road toll does suggest so. We've had the stats to back it up for years. Ministry Of Health posted:Nearly one in five adults has a hazardous drinking pattern
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The leader of the opposition gets paid approximately $296,000 a year. In his final year as AirNZ CEO, Luxon got paid $4.4 million. He owns three residential properties and at least four investment properties. He probably has, in real terms, more money right now than I will cumulatively have over my entire life. And he still didn't think to pay someone to make his loving pants fit.
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i think he looks good marc daalder unsurprisingly has the correct take on the greens/kerekere situation https://www.newsroom.co.nz/kerekere-gone-from-greens-but-identity-crisis-remains quote:Here, that "natural justice" process dreamed up by the Greens in response to the Francis Review prolonged the issue for far longer than necessary. One long-time Green Party figure recently quit over the party's inability to deal with these problems cleanly and quietly.
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it's the whole lenin winning vs being right thing. greens think being a fringe party means they're all individuals because in everyday life, true, being a soft lefty is pretty unusual and will make you feel that way. i'd appreciate some ruthlessness and discipline in that party
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May 7, 2023 07:27
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lmao imagine people wanting to be included in the political system. not in my democracy, bub.
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yes it's not like there's no validity to being open like that but there's a balance to be struck if you are concerned with power and enacting a programme. there's nothing inherently more democratic about looking like a mess to the outside world of the voters you're trying to win.
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Deep Glove Bruno posted:it's the whole lenin winning vs being right thing. greens think being a fringe party means they're all individuals because in everyday life, true, being a soft lefty is pretty unusual and will make you feel that way. the best part of being a fringe party is that you still get the publicity without needing to deal with pesky responsibility. win/win
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Deep Glove Bruno posted:it's the whole lenin winning vs being right thing. greens think being a fringe party means they're all individuals because in everyday life, true, being a soft lefty is pretty unusual and will make you feel that way. i agree that a lot of the greens' problems would be solved if they read more lenin
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The green party members include a lot of idealistic people who aren't particularly pragmatic. If the party openly ignores them, they will become apathetic as it will send the message that positive change isn't possible. Like all minor parties it is a balancing act, an entirely savvy green party would struggle to get elected.
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exmarx posted:i think he looks good Weird how someone gang beating another kid with a chair leg didn't get the same kind of scrutiny as texting "crybaby" Someone should also tell national a fundamental part of the political system is accepting compromise lmao El Pollo Blanco fucked around with this message at 21:10 on May 7, 2023 |
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RNZ posted:Prime Minister Chris Hipkins will be travelling back to New Zealand feeling grateful for sausage rolls. Somehow this sentence sums up our global relevance perfectly.
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It's never going to stop raining.
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Ratios and Tendency posted:It's never going to stop Wayneing.
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Ratios and Tendency posted:It's never going to stop raining. I'm looking forward to 2030 when the government will finally, after much delay and cost overrun, release a flood tracking app. It won't work very well.
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