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I mean, early romulans are quite obviously just romans in space. ROMEulans.
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thotsky posted:I mean, early romulans are quite obviously just romans in space. ROMEulans. Oh? Then where are the Remulans? Remoids? Re-men? Romulans were always my favorite bad guys growing up (largely due to the D'deridex I think) and I never thought they got their due, they were always just kind of bad guys in TNG, and then they got their planet blowed up and are now a client species of the Federation or whatever. Id've liked to see a proper Romulan - Federation conflict.
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Picard S1 had a few little hints of expanding out tidbits of Romulan culture and worldview that could've been really nice if there'd been more of it and it wasn't overshadowed by the incredible stupid.
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IDK, TNG had that episode with the defector, the one where Geordi had to work together with that Romulan when they were stranded on that planet, that time the Romulans also caught that ship exploding virus and the Enterprise helped them, and probably others I haven't seen yet since I'm only in season 5, I think they did a good job at showing that they weren't just all bad guys that had to be destroyed.
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MikeJF posted:Picard S1 had a few little hints of expanding out tidbits of Romulan culture and worldview that could've been really nice if there'd been more of it and it wasn't overshadowed by the incredible stupid. Yeah like how their religion is hopscotch-based. Boxturret posted:IDK, TNG had that episode with the defector, the one where Geordi had to work together with that Romulan when they were stranded on that planet, that time the Romulans also caught that ship exploding virus and the Enterprise helped them, and probably others I haven't seen yet since I'm only in season 5, I think they did a good job at showing that they weren't just all bad guys that had to be destroyed. They do that for Cardassians too, in The One Where They Have Mustaches
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Ultimately, the most amazing thing about the Klingons throughout the franchise is that they more or less managed to Matrix-dodge every possible racist trope. Like just tweak it a little bit here or there and it would've gotten real bad, but somehow they pretty much made it out clean.
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MikeJF posted:overshadowed by the incredible stupid. I wish I disagreed with the rest of this post so I could say, "don't stand in front of your projector"
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FISHMANPET posted:I wonder how much of the "color of your tunic tells your department" thing in TOS was because of low fidelity of TV broadcasts that they had to be in your face about it so the audience could tell the difference vs Enterprise where they were broadcasting in HD so a strip of color would be good enough. Granted I don't think there's any real-world equivalent of "an entirely different primary color uniform" in modern military (maybe in historic militaries?), but is there that much differentiation in uniform between, say, medical, engineering, command, etc in a modern military? The primary example I can think of is Napoleonic musicians in the British Army who would wear uniforms of the same colour as their regiment's facings (basically, like, shirt collars or w/e for ordinary dudes as opposed to the standard red for the rest of the jacket).
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swickles posted:Klingon uniforms look exactly how a society where warrior culture is the most important would look. Speaking of warrior cultures, The Templin Institute just put out a video on why they're doomed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SE1vQmwg54
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MikeJF posted:Picard S1 had a few little hints of expanding out tidbits of Romulan culture and worldview that could've been really nice if there'd been more of it and it wasn't overshadowed by the incredible stupid. I actually liked the idea of making secrecy their 'hat'. It kind of makes sense given that they presumably have some of the Vulcan telepathic abilities, and a cultural response to that could conceivably be to value one's privacy highly. Didn't Diane Duane even do some of that in her books? Like the idea that Romulans have a private name for family and a public name for the outside world?
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Gaz-L posted:I actually liked the idea of making secrecy their 'hat'. It kind of makes sense given that they presumably have some of the Vulcan telepathic abilities, and a cultural response to that could conceivably be to value one's privacy highly. Didn't Diane Duane even do some of that in her books? Like the idea that Romulans have a private name for family and a public name for the outside world? That's not entirely unlike the Roman usage of the praenomen.
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Gaz-L posted:I actually liked the idea of making secrecy their 'hat'. It kind of makes sense given that they presumably have some of the Vulcan telepathic abilities, and a cultural response to that could conceivably be to value one's privacy highly. Didn't Diane Duane even do some of that in her books? Like the idea that Romulans have a private name for family and a public name for the outside world? I also liked that there was an entire Romulan religious order that was considered heretical and dangerous because their core edict is "always tell the truth, no matter how much it pisses other people off". And the fact that the Romulan Star Empire getting kneecapped was actually a GOOD thing for them because it meant that that they could actually live freely and openly again thanks to the Tal Shiar functionally having its back broken by the supernova. And then the rest of Picard happened...
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MattY Glesias' egg head would survive in a jar until the 24th century so that he could trot out opeds like "The Borg want to assimilate us. We should let them. Why losing individuality is a good thing in 24th century neocapitalism". F_Shit_Fitzgerald fucked around with this message at 18:39 on May 9, 2023 |
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Small purple bug creatures are crawling down your throat and subsuming your personality, turning you into a conspirator to overrun the Federation. Here's why that's a good thing.
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davidspackage posted:Small purple bug creatures are crawling down your throat and subsuming your personality, turning you into a conspirator to overrun the Federation. Here's why that's a good thing. Insane crescent kicking ability I love that Riker's opening move in that fight is a jumping front kick to the face. I think we're meant to infer that Federation hand-to-hand combat training is the perfected form of all martial arts because it lets them hang against Klingons, Romulans, etc. but it looks so goofy.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:MattY Glesias' head would survive in a jar until the 24th century so that he could trot out opeds like "The Borg want to assimilate us. We should let them. Why losing individuality is a good thing in 24th century neocapitalism". Who do you think was the 24th century version of Glenn Greenwald writing profiles and articles trying to normalize Gul Dukat all the time?
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davidspackage posted:Small purple bug creatures are crawling down your throat and subsuming your personality, turning you into a conspirator to overrun the Federation. Here's why that's a good thing. "Commander Remmick said that the neural parasites sought peaceful coexistence. We should have heard them out so that they could tell their side of the story instead of murdering them!"
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zoux posted:
They're not totally wrong. One of the good parts of Ent was Archer becoming less of American in Space over time.
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Archer was always too much of a dick
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:"Commander Remmick said that the neural parasites sought peaceful coexistence. We should have heard them out so that they could tell their side of the story instead of murdering them!" *footage of Picard and Riker blasting the poo poo out of Remmick* "These socialist Antibu(g) agitators unprovokedly attacked Remmick because they hate the soothing calm of the hive mi- I mean, freedom."
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I think the Romulans always had the issue of carrying too much weight and severity, so writers felt a lot more nervous about screwing around with them. For all of TNG they were brewing for something that never ended up kicking off, and for all the big galactic events, Romulans are there, but didn't really impact much. Then JJ Abrams blew up their planet because he wanted to trash the old timeline.zoux posted:Oh? Then where are the Remulans? Remoids? Re-men? There was a whole movie about them, but I haven't watched it.
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Rewatching BOBW after Voyager it occurs to me that some of the unresolved questions in those episodes (Why do they need a spokesman, why did they fly off after they rekidnapped Locutus instead of mulching the Enterprise) make more sense with the weaker, stoppable version that the Borg became rather than the unbeatable juggernaut of early TNG. Does Starfleet eventually win the Battle of Sector 001 without Picard's special knowledge?
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Yeah, while Klingons are the aliens everyone know and love, the Romulans were actually portrayed much more as the primary adversary to the Federation in TNG. They just never really explored it much outside a few episodes in the neutral zone where the objective was to not disrupt the status quo. On the other hand, it's probably for the best, a proper exploration of the Federation/Romulan relationship would require serialised storytelling to work, and yeah, DS9 did that well but on the whole it would probably have failed.
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nine-gear crow posted:I also liked that there was an entire Romulan religious order that was considered heretical and dangerous because their core edict is "always tell the truth, no matter how much it pisses other people off". And the fact that the Romulan Star Empire getting kneecapped was actually a GOOD thing for them because it meant that that they could actually live freely and openly again thanks to the Tal Shiar functionally having its back broken by the supernova. Picard S3 also canonizes the NX-1 Refit, so by a long shot "some of the planned stuff for S5 is canon". This could also include concepts for the Romulan culture and society as defined Rihannsu books.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Archer was always too much of a dick Though his dickishness might have worked better if he'd been played by someone other than Scott Bakula.
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I am now picturing a remake of Enterprise but with Sterling Archer as captain.
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swickles posted:I am now picturing a remake of Enterprise but with Sterling Archer as captain. Reed: Push that red button. Archer: Is it gonna kill everybody? Reed: ...Push that blue button.
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Archer: Stop him, we need the formula for Trellium Dioxide. T'Pol: Its Trellium Monoxide. Archer: Whichever of Trellium's many oxides.
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"It's like Meow-schwitz in here", but it's actually a Caitian war crime Edit: anyway, I wanted to post the Tos Romulan bird of prey, in case the Rome thing wasn't clear. 
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swickles posted:I am now picturing a remake of Enterprise but with Sterling Archer as captain. This close enough? https://vimeo.com/70518741
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iirc Martok's beef with Kor is based on Kor barring him from service because he's from a lower class region, like he couldn't even enlist as a soldier. It gave me the impression that what we see of Klingon society on the show is skewed heavily by class and would explain why so often a "honorable house" is shorthand for "wealthy" and so many Klingon warriors are politicians obsessed with status and corrupt as gently caress. Just a lot of nepobabies on those birds of prey.Sir Lemming posted:Ultimately, the most amazing thing about the Klingons throughout the franchise is that they more or less managed to Matrix-dodge every possible racist trope. Like just tweak it a little bit here or there and it would've gotten real bad, but somehow they pretty much made it out clean. I wouldn't necessarily say this about TOS Klingons
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zoux posted:Insane crescent kicking ability Impossible. Nobody's wearing blindfold helmets and I don't see a single giant beepy q-tip.
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Trixie Hardcore posted:yeah it's brown face Eighties ZomCom posted:TOS Klingons go really heavy on the fake tan. My brother and I used to refer to TOS Klingons as "dirty white guys with goatees".
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