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Zonko_T.M. posted:I finished the novel! I enjoyed it but felt like I missed a lot. I'm not sure how much I missed because of the rough translation or if I'm missing stuff just because Kurvitz is writing with some really weird ideas, chiefly the Pale itself, which never gets the kind of explanation in the novel that it did in DE. I've got about 20% left to go, so can't say much re your spoiler, but I've gotta say that from about chapter 13 onwards it felt like the translation really picked up and the writing stopped making my editor-brain go "oh that's a weird/bad" choice every couple of paragraphs. I wonder if the translator just didn't get paid enough to do a second pass, so the quality improved as they got into the swing of it but they didn't go back and fix up the early rough chapters.
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wait what where is the GODDAMNED book available
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dead gay comedy forums posted:wait what where is the GODDAMNED book available
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Crain posted:
This link was posted a couple pages back. e: The book
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Finished the novel now too, and despite the translation (which definitely got a lot better in the back half of the book), I really, really liked it. I'd probably need to read it again to have any intelligent thoughts, but really what it reminds me of more than anything is a more apocalyptic Twin Peaks: The Return. Zonko_T.M. posted:Plot spoilers ahead: I think you're on to something with the freak wave idea. Khan explaining that they happen in the Pale as well as the ocean seems like it's the key there. But I also agree that the thematic point is more important than any actual explanation. Given the core is (I think) nihilism vs communism, the girls represent that too. They're the perfect, beautiful past, that vanished just when things were starting to work, and everyone either forgets them or obsesses over what could have been. And then the world ends. I know that's a pretty shallow reading, but I don't think it's wrong. And Zigi is Nihilism. And Ignus is the Specter of Communism Haunting Katla. I really hope we get a proper translation, and soon. I would love to read it again, and it's going to stay with me for a very long time in the same way Disco Elysium itself did.
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The loving DMX reference with Shivers I love this game e: https://twitter.com/prick_small/status/1655968008131543042 Beasteh fucked around with this message at 18:35 on May 10, 2023 |
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I got the Speedfreaks call on my first playthrough and absolutely did the interaction where DJ Mesh calls you a fascist and you can go "what no that was the ultraliberal option, but I can tell you my fascist thoughts instead if you'd prefer" "uh sure, go for it" "it was something about using radio waves to mind control people, probably a rant about traditional values, that kind of thing" "hahah this guy's loving crazy, that's cool w me." and Kim just silently hangs you up out of both sympathy and embarassment.
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Beasteh posted:The loving DMX reference with Shivers I AM A DETECTIVE , LIEUTENANT-YFREITOR KITSURAGI!!!
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Since my entire personality seems to have become "Is Obsessed with A Sacred and Terrible Air," I'm now considering immediately re-reading the novel because someone just posted a different translation on Reddit, which appears to be a bit less... poo poo... than the other one. https://www.reddit.com/r/DiscoElysium/comments/13e4tle/sacred_and_terrible_air_p%C3%BCha_ja_%C3%B5udne_l%C3%B5hn_full/ Edit: Apparently it's based on a machine translation which was then checked, edited, rewritten, and re-edited by a bunch of different English and Estonian speakers using the Disco Elysium script as a style guide, so we'll see. But two translations are better than one, even if neither is perfect, so what the hell. cptn_dr fucked around with this message at 22:09 on May 11, 2023 |
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cptn_dr posted:Since my entire personality seems to have become "Is Obsessed with A Sacred and Terrible Air," I'm now considering immediately re-reading the novel because someone just posted a different translation on Reddit, which appears to be a bit less... poo poo... than the other one. That's wild and I can't believe this is how we finally get a translated version.
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Bob the Kurvitz going through a convoluted scheme to get the book out because IP bullshit would be a fairly disco reaction
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cptn_dr posted:Since my entire personality seems to have become "Is Obsessed with A Sacred and Terrible Air," I'm now considering immediately re-reading the novel because someone just posted a different translation on Reddit, which appears to be a bit less... poo poo... than the other one. I read here that the original translation gets better later on in the book, but the first chapter in this one is exponentially better than the last
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That post mentions “three groups” who’ve posted translations; does that mean there’s two further translations floating around this thread hasn’t seen?
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Bohemian Nights posted:I read here that the original translation gets better later on in the book, but the first chapter in this one is exponentially better than the last I am about halfway through the first one that was posted and it's a lot better to me than this one. It has a few things an editor would have fixed, like reused words in the same paragraph when synonyms were available, but overall I think the tone of the first was way closer to DE's narration than Ibex's. Denser, maybe, but that's not a bad thing.
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worm girl posted:I am about halfway through the first one that was posted and it's a lot better to me than this one. It has a few things an editor would have fixed, like reused words in the same paragraph when synonyms were available, but overall I think the tone of the first was way closer to DE's narration than Ibex's. Denser, maybe, but that's not a bad thing. Yeah having now read a chunk of Ibex I agree. I appreciate the footnoting in the Ibex one, but beyond that the first one is just more in the spirit of things.
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We’re going to get to the point where figuring out how to read this book is harder than figuring out which Blade Runner to watch
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Planescape: Torment is free on Prime Gaming right now and I’m excited to finally play it after seeing a lot of “this is the closest thing to Disco Elysium that exists”
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roomtwofifteen posted:Planescape: Torment is free on Prime Gaming right now and I’m excited to finally play it after seeing a lot of “this is the closest thing to Disco Elysium that exists” Although they were heavily compared by games criticism, I should say that they in terms of experience they are veeeeeeeeeeeery different. Torment is a good effort in literary terms and for many people was something like having an abridged general introduction to philosophy by the way of D&D, which for the time was quite great - it is the game that inspired Kurvitz after all. However, it's definitely not a disco experience. The Nameless One is possibly the most important being in Planescape, everyone that matters in the story is personally implicated because of him, etc. It's very much a power fantasy game, it just has 200.000 more words to buffer that feel.
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Gaius Marius posted:Planescape is a lot more interesting. Combats horrible though (oh yeah if you are going Torment for the hack and slash just play Baldur's Gate 2 instead)
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They’re spiritually similar in that they are departures from the way we were conditioned to experience RPGs. Planescape rules but mechanically, story wise, etc. I think Disco tops it in every category. At the time PST was revelatory and today it is still an excellently written and addicting game that I highly recommend you avoid spoilers for
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Planescape: Torment is a little like Disco Elysium in that the most forthrightly evil options are so horrifying, and so believably written, that I simply cannot choose them
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The main thing I like about Disco is its sense of scale. You're not saving the world, you're just solving a murder in a spit of land nobody cares about. Torment, by contrast, is much more of a world-saving adventure, and it gets too much for me.
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tbf harry is also a preternaturally skilled detective who has the genius loci of the city speak directly to him in a transcendent spiritual experience and makes an unbelievable world first discovery. not that this hurts disco elysium at all, it's just that I think the push and pull between, on the one hand, the idea that history is a result of powerful forces and mass movements and on the other hand, close attention to the idea and dignity and sometimes myth of the individual, is one of the really interesting things about the game. harry lives in a world where great man theory is both spiritual and historical truth and that colors the whole game.
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An immortal Costeau; the damage would be on a scale to grand to comprehend.
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Planescape Torment posted:What can change the nature of a man? Tequila Sunset posted:SPEED
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i am a moron posted:They’re spiritually similar in that they are departures from the way we were conditioned to experience RPGs. Planescape rules but mechanically, story wise, etc. I think Disco tops it in every category. At the time PST was revelatory and today it is still an excellently written and addicting game that I highly recommend you avoid spoilers for DE is superior to Planescape by virtue of actually supporting several different playstyles and character types. Planescape pretty much requires you to play a Mage with maxed out Int and Wis or you will be missing out on 2/3 of the story. The options to play as a Thief or Fighter are cruel lies put there to fool you (they don't even give you any Fighter armor. The best armor in the game is protection rings that can only be worn by mages!).
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Yea that was stupid. I beat the game as a fighter, was like what the gently caress is everyone talking about, and didn’t realize until months later you have to go high INT/WIS. But the second playthrough was still cool af cause half my problem was as a 13 year old or however old I was with 0 exposure to DnD I rolled nothing but fighters ever anyways
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 Although depending on your play through "regret" is also a powerful motivator for HDB
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Philippe posted:The main thing I like about Disco is its sense of scale. You're not saving the world, you're just solving a murder in a spit of land nobody cares about. I get what you're saying in terms of scale, and it's absolutely true because you do travel through multiple planes, but you're not really saving the world in Planescape. I suppose you can see it that way from a particular angle but from start to finish your objective is very much a personal one.
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AceOfFlames posted:I shudder to think what Practical Harry would be like Evrart is Practical Harry, the Deserter is Paranoid Harry
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i am a moron posted:Yea that was stupid. I beat the game as a fighter, was like what the gently caress is everyone talking about, and didn’t realize until months later you have to go high INT/WIS. But the second playthrough was still cool af cause half my problem was as a 13 year old or however old I was with 0 exposure to DnD I rolled nothing but fighters ever anyways This is also how I played everything at that age. It's funny I was hooked on Baldur's Gate and NWN but never knew about Planescape until recently. At least I instinctively knew I'd need those stats if the game is anything like DE so that's good
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i am a moron posted:Yea that was stupid. I beat the game as a fighter, was like what the gently caress is everyone talking about, and didn’t realize until months later you have to go high INT/WIS. But the second playthrough was still cool af cause half my problem was as a 13 year old or however old I was with 0 exposure to DnD I rolled nothing but fighters ever anyways https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/64381/dialogs-stats-checks-analysis  The sad thing is that physical attributes do unlock a bunch of original dialogue options, albeit not as many as intellectual ones, but you only get to see them if you are playing the game wrong. "Dialogue" in Planescape is more like little CYOA stories, so you will occasionally get the opportunity to perform feats of athletics to solve problems.
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I found the combat in Planescape to be so horrid that I never even finished the game, despite liking the story and wanting to know what happened next. I got stuck in some sewer dungeon... or some dungeon immediately post a sewer dungeon... I don't remember the details, some place after Curst or later on in Curst? But I couldn't get back out of, realized I wasn't up for another slog, put the game down and just... never picked it back up, because I knew what was waiting for me. If you excised 90% of the combat from the game it would be so much better. And I mostly enjoyed the Baldur's Gate games! Planescape just felt horrible. (Also I don't think I would have tolerated the Baldur's Gate games if not for the built-in multiplayer, I've literally never finished one playing solo) GlyphGryph fucked around with this message at 22:11 on May 17, 2023 |
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planescape was one of my favourite games as a kid and disco is one of my favourite games as an adult, the scope blows DE out of the water and the quests are extraordinarily well-written. as mentioned, you are cheating yourself if you’re not playing high int/wis/cha, and every locale that’s not sigil is a little half-baked, but it was the first game to teach me that the medium is capable of deep, compelling, and philosophical narratives
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