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Amechwarrior posted:You mean like if you swapped out a MG with a SL in the LCT json when would it actually take effect? Gwaihir posted:They're all predefined in the base game. There are mods that dynamically account for changes, generally with extra armor or larger engines. Thank you both. Yeah, I meant if I adjusted equipment to weigh less or take up fewer slots, whether the AI would then add more stuff to their mechs since they would have more space. Sounds like the answer is no.
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GD_American posted:The dumbest thing I did was not buy 4 of them. My arty crew is a Teppo, a Long Tom, and a Heavy Mortar Carrier. Long-term plan is to ally with Davion to get a Paladin to replace the Long Tom https://www.bta3062.com/index.php?title=Paladin_(Vehicle)
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I have a teppo, heavy mortar carrier, lrm carrier mk2, and either another of those or a ballista
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May 9, 2023 21:25
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I've got an urbantank with a mortar
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I've got two Teppos, a heavy mortar carrier, and the 4th slot rotates a Schiltron (2x Arrow IV) or a heavy LRM carrier. I've tried screwing around with Mobile HQs, and while I enjoy getting off the occasional strafing run or well-placed Thunderbolt 20 turret, they're generally too slow for me to use. Most of the tanks are useless, although I've dinked around with Schreks.
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heavy mortar carrier is MVP when you need something dead/debilitated *right now*GD_American posted:I've tried screwing around with Mobile HQs, and while I enjoy getting off the occasional strafing run or well-placed Thunderbolt 20 turret, they're generally too slow for me to use. Most of the tanks are useless, although I've dinked around with Schreks. they are a super, super cool idea but they have to compete with big artillery pieces unfortunately same with like the armor repair mobile field base or the AMS boat
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I think making them able to call in support and move in the same turn would fix 70% of the problem.
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GD_American posted:I've got two Teppos, a heavy mortar carrier, and the 4th slot rotates a Schiltron (2x Arrow IV) or a heavy LRM carrier. what do you use for a lance loadout when you have so much tonnage tied up in fire support? clan mediums?
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Captain Foo posted:what do you use for a lance loadout when you have so much tonnage tied up in fire support? clan mediums? I'm not GD_American, but I tend to run a similarly heavy fire support lance and yeah my 'mech element is mostly mediums and heavies. I've always found assault mechs in BTA to be too slow and vulnerable and generally favor fast 'mech elements that can get into position rapidly rather than slowly slogging through incoming fire, and I've only gotten more sure of that as new mechanics like clan BA and sanctuary weapons have made standing and slugging it out even more suicidal. I'll typically never run a single 'mech that can't sprint at least 8 hexes, which disqualifies everything over 80 tons automatically(before MASC gets involved). A Wraith with a couple of LVSPLs jumping 13 hexes into something's back arc and lancing the rear torso will kill most things objectively faster than a Dire Wolf throwing 50 tons of weapons at its front.
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I have a Wraith and a Viper in that speed slot so far, but i'm working my way over to the galactic north clans to work some stuff out there. My killiest mechs so far have been leaning on MRMs, and I just picked up some VMRMs and need to refit. The Wraith is fast but a bit underwhelming on the jump though i don't have 15 sorties yet on a pilot. How many IJJs do you load it up with?
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Captain Foo posted:I have a Wraith and a Viper in that speed slot so far, but i'm working my way over to the galactic north clans to work some stuff out there. My killiest mechs so far have been leaning on MRMs, and I just picked up some VMRMs and need to refit. The Wraith is fast but a bit underwhelming on the jump though i don't have 15 sorties yet on a pilot. How many IJJs do you load it up with? I usually find 8 IJJs to be the sweet spot for ridiculous movement and not sucking up the entire internal structure of the 'mech. Nimble Jumper is a real gamechanger when you unlock it. Tank the engine size as much as possible - the goal with IJJ builds is that you move solely by jumping. MRMs are a great "kill" weapon. My last career had a missile Barghest with TSM and a bunch of kick actuators that ran at 10 hexes and mounted 50 vMRM tubes.
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Kanos posted:I usually find 8 IJJs to be the sweet spot for ridiculous movement and not sucking up the entire internal structure of the 'mech. Nimble Jumper is a real gamechanger when you unlock it. Tank the engine size as much as possible - the goal with IJJ builds is that you move solely by jumping. i have a crusader and an orion with 60 tubes each; the crusader has srm2 with acid and the orion has an additional srm6 and i threw iNarc on there (obviously apollo'd up) Gotta rebuild the Wraith with the engine trick!
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Amechwarrior posted:The game cares not for illegal configs (within a certain limit) as far as I can remember. In the base game I'm pretty sure either the Star League Crab or Black Knight has more heat sinks in its legs than it has slots.
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Captain Foo posted:what do you use for a lance loadout when you have so much tonnage tied up in fire support? clan mediums? I don't like Clan mediums because melee is essentially off the table, and the Omnis can't use a defense gyro so you're capped at lower evasion. I have a Phoenix Hawk LAM for a spotter, that's practically unarmed (one heavy medium laser) but evasion tanked to the max and with C3I. I run 1-2 direct fire assault Mechs, usually boating either Large X-Pulse Lasers or RAC-5s. Past that, I have a grab bag of lights-mediums that I fart around with, usually with the gimmick actuators. I turned a Chameleon into a roided up punchbot, a Fox that's a DFA king, and a Shadow Hawk II that can kick the shins off of a planet. I've got a few fast backstabby Urbies (a 300 XXL engine and a few heavy lasers make fantastic use of their 360 degree firing arc and narrow profile). When I feel like it I run a few Monsters with arty (1 dual Long Tom, 1 dual Sniper/dual Arrow IV), but fielding half your unit as artillery turns the game boring.
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the following are probably the most important robbits in my company: Dire Wolf with two ERLL and two HAG40s -- delete button from long range Berserker with heavy armor plating, a small shield, TSM/Supercharger/400XL, two snubs and two CSPLS -- 7 EVA, over 2000 armor, can 1v1 the most dangerous enemy mech Hero Firestarter (Ember) with stealth armor and 7 SXPLs -- monstrous backstabber Goliath from the Kringles Killers event -- just two CERPPCs but six clan AMS invalidates missiles, which are a problem in larger battles when you have so many opfor mechs with LRMs taking potshots at you Ostscout -- just one HML but loaded to the gills with infotech and a strafing run suite. Since it has such high evasion and initiative you can have it go last safely, drop the strafing run, and then go back up to 9 EVA at the start of the next turn Rakshasha with two MRM30/Apollo -- the missiles never end
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Kanos posted:I usually find 8 IJJs to be the sweet spot for ridiculous movement and not sucking up the entire internal structure of the 'mech. Nimble Jumper is a real gamechanger when you unlock it. Tank the engine size as much as possible - the goal with IJJ builds is that you move solely by jumping. MRM's and ERML's also share the same range bands. so an upgraded SRM / ML Brawler. once you get over MRM40 it's gravy baby I think I had an Atlas with MRM40, ERML's and UAC/20. you get to watch a pretty light show and mechs go boom
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I R SMART LIKE ROCK posted:MRM's and ERML's also share the same range bands. so an upgraded SRM / ML Brawler. once you get over MRM40 it's gravy baby Are you sure that wasn't your own mech overheating?
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OddObserver posted:Are you sure that wasn't your own mech overheating? Yang's cool with it. he really likes watching the replays on holovid nights
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Heat Mechs don't seem as fun as they did in early BTA. Few years ago I used to run a Crusader 4L just loaded to the gills with SRM Infernos and flamers. Now I've noticed that even my full time heat-makers don't shut down enemy Mechs as drastically as they used to. Unless I unpeel some canned sunshine on them from across the map.
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:I'm not going to lie, I feel as though it's very gamey to move ammo away from the part of the 'mech where the weapon is. I just don't understand how in the fictional universe, ammo in a leg can get fed up to a missile launcher in an arm, or vice versa. So many moving parts in the way of that for a clean ammo feed. I think in my next run I'm going to put ammo in the same section that the weapon is in. The problem with this is it just makes energy weapons even more dominant. If the mech doesn't have case its dead, if it does it's massively crippled (or with an XL engine also dead). Especially for the player who is risking a lot more every mission, why would I bring ammo using weapons if I had to put the ammo somewhere it was guaranteed to do something catastrophic when the AI eventually (inevitably) gets lucky?
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It does seem rather unbalanced and poorly thought out game-design wise. Energy weapons don't have any batteries or coils that could also get critically hit and do collateral damage? No that's a solved problem for lasers and plasma but if you want to die you can load up on ammo that self-explodes. Give me the phone number for the early 1980s game designers, I have a complaint. Good move with hexagons though.
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In MW5 I had ammo explosion events even in energy only mechs.
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Which energy weapons? If you're using a mod that adds them, plasma weapons need ammo and can explode. Chemical lasers also use explosive ammo. I think things like PPC capacitors can also explode but I've never used them in MW5 so I'm not sure.palindrome posted:It does seem rather unbalanced and poorly thought out game-design wise. Energy weapons don't have any batteries or coils that could also get critically hit and do collateral damage? No that's a solved problem for lasers and plasma but if you want to die you can load up on ammo that self-explodes. There's probably an interesting trade off where high heat can cause heatsinks to explode if they get hit, but you'd probably have to drop heat from ammo weapons more than they currently are to get any sort of reasonable parity. Generally I think there are honestly enough ways for mechs to suddenly cease to exist, and removing moving ammo to less dangerous areas is making them too vulnerable for a small amount of realism.
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Oh I was just talking about lasers and PPCs, I assumed one of the P's was Probably for Plasma. It's fine and I'm just poking fun, but the good old medium laser does seem extremely good and reliable in a setting where horrible things can go wrong and you're rolling handfuls of d6 dice. Better move that ammo to the big toe of each mech and add a weightless but convoluted belt-feed system next to the e: now I know it actually stands for particle projector cannon™ hell yeah palindrome fucked around with this message at 05:12 on May 10, 2023 |
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the tyranny of the mlas is serious thing in battletech combat design
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give the mlas a chance to be crit or explode heatsinks or something in the next version
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GD_American posted:Heat Mechs don't seem as fun as they did in early BTA. Few years ago I used to run a Crusader 4L just loaded to the gills with SRM Infernos and flamers. Now I've noticed that even my full time heat-makers don't shut down enemy Mechs as drastically as they used to. Your problem is trying to boat infernos. Infernos basically don't inflict significant heat damage anymore. You want one(1) inferno launcher to light the hex they're in on fire, but the rest of your loadout needs to be flamers(preferably heavy flamers) or plasma cannons. Sanctuary also has a couple of weird weapons that help out. Optimal cooker 'mechs are fast mediums with tons of support hardpoints for flamer spam and one missile hardpoint; the Hazard is basically the platonic ideal of a cooker 'mech, though Stormcrows work very well too.
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palindrome posted:Oh I was just talking about lasers and PPCs, I assumed one of the P's was Probably for Plasma. Particle Projection Cannon. It's an ion cannon / atom railgun. The lightning associated with it is canonically it tearing a massive hole through the atmosphere and releasing a gently caress-ton of static electricity. In space, PPCs are invisible. 
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PoptartsNinja posted:Particle Projection Cannon. Do they work as well without the atmospheric effects? I'm guessing not, but they have longer range?
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Kesper North posted:Do they work as well without the atmospheric effects? They function normally, the atmospheric effects aren't really part of what they're doing. You're basically shooting a few (thousand) atoms at near lightspeed so PPCs are just as dangerous in space. All weapons in space have much longer ranges, and AeroSpace units have much longer ranges than 'Mechs even in an atmosphere. They're just limited to their short range bracket when making strafing / strike attacks against ground targets. Against other airborne targets they can hit things well beyond visual range. PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 08:00 on May 10, 2023 |
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How does that work with what is effectively a line of sight weapon? Is "visual range" way shorter than the horizon?
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I'm exaggerating a little but they can effectively hit things their pilot can't see (due to size and the speeds involved). "They can shoot things they can detect" is much less impressive. Each ground hex is 30 meters across in Tabletop BattleTech, and very few weapons are able to strike beyond 21 hexes or 630 meters. Each in-atmosphere AeroSpace hex is 1 kilometer, and AeroSpace fighter extreme range extends out to 25 hexes (25 km). Each space hex is 18km giving most extreme range weapons an effective range (for some definitions of the word "effective" given the huge range penalty) of 450 km. Anything beyond that gets discounted as the travel times give the opponent so much time to evade that even an unpiloted dropship's computer would evade the shot automatically. AeroSpace fighters have to engage 'Mechs visually in order to attack them, which is why I'm a big supporter of the "battlemechs have incredibly powerful ecm by default, which is why their engagement ranges are so short" while AeroSpace units are comparatively much harder to hide due to their drive flares. Edit: You can effectively hide BattleMechs from scout fighters with a few camo tarps so something about them is hard to detect. PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 08:05 on May 10, 2023 |
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Considering that modern military parlance doesn't start calling things "beyond visual range" until it can effectively engage beyond 37km, it might just be that the battletech universe overall has rather awful sensor technology.
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Kanos posted:Optimal cooker 'mechs are fast mediums with tons of support hardpoints for flamer spam and one missile hardpoint; the Hazard is basically the platonic ideal of a cooker 'mech, though Stormcrows work very well too. I've got a few salvage Hazards I haven't really played with yet. I'll poke around there. I remember trying an all-plasma cannon Dire Wolf build for duels and it just led to this hilariously long 40 round duel until I ran out of ammo, I kept shutting him down but he'd never blow up.
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GD_American posted:I've got a few salvage Hazards I haven't really played with yet. I'll poke around there. Killing mechs that don't have ammo bins with pure heat damage is an excruciatingly long and laborious process.
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Kanos posted:Killing mechs that don't have ammo bins with pure heat damage is an excruciatingly long and laborious process. And cooking lovely avatars to death with a firestarter is hilarious
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Yeah generally heat is for making the enemy shoot less, not actually a kill method. It's like EMP in other games, its a defensive weapon more than something used for damage. It is incredibly fun to cook an enemy to death, though.
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GD_American posted:I've got a few salvage Hazards I haven't really played with yet. I'll poke around there. Debilitating a lone enemy and inviting them to a boot party while the other mechs are swatting Battle Armor is how most of my (very early) BTA fights are going. Buying an LRM Carrier Mk2 is a game changer.
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Mile'ionaha posted:Buying an LRM Carrier Mk2 is a game changer. now buy another
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