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nine-gear crow posted:Who do you think was the 24th century version of Glenn Greenwald writing profiles and articles trying to normalize Gul Dukat all the time? The android-ist first officer that Data had to deal with.
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swickles posted:I am now picturing a remake of Enterprise but with Sterling Archer as captain.
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Eighties ZomCom posted:TOS Klingons go really heavy on the fake tan. HD really shows how inconsistent the Kingon make-up is. Some episodes like Day of the Dove, they're so thick with boot polish they're shining. But in Tribbles, it looks like they forgot.
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I too feel the Romulans never got their due, but I also kind of think that's a good thing. I hated that they made secrecy a cultural trait. Just absolutely stupid. The Obsidian Order is also good at espionage but Cardassians aren't defined as sneaky. They leaned too much into just secrecy and never really grappled with the fact that Romulans should've been humans+. They are Vulcans without inhibitions so they should be grappling with their emotions in other ways than suppression, and the TOS portrayals hit that more than later. I do like the Tal Shiar and how in TNG we experience them loving with the Federation constantly, but makes sense because they are constantly dealing with the spy agency. It just should've been a small part of a larger whole, even if you wanted to go with the Tal Shiar secretly running society....just like the Obsidian Order.
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Romulans are very weird to me because as a recent Trekkie convert I knew about Romulans, Klingons and Vulcans and was expecting a whole lot more development than there is. I was also sort of thrown off by how much Vulcan lore wasn’t filled in much until Enterprise.
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Eimi posted:I too feel the Romulans never got their due, but I also kind of think that's a good thing. I hated that they made secrecy a cultural trait. Just absolutely stupid. The Obsidian Order is also good at espionage but Cardassians aren't defined as sneaky. They leaned too much into just secrecy and never really grappled with the fact that Romulans should've been humans+. They are Vulcans without inhibitions so they should be grappling with their emotions in other ways than suppression, and the TOS portrayals hit that more than later. I didn't mind it because it makes sense when you have a secret police running rampant protecting an authoritarian regime. Kind of like East Germany, if you have 10 friends in a room, there's a strong likelihood one of them is a voluntary secret police informant and another is a coerced secret police informant so yeah, you would just be inherently very secretive because there's so few people you can really trust.
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Trixie Hardcore posted:yeah it's brown face I mean, if anything they got browner in TNG. But they didn't embody any brown-associated stereotypes, so like... It's bordering on uncomfortable but it ultimately just seems coincidental that they chose that color.
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May 10, 2023 13:50
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Also the main Klingon guy was black, so maybe they kinda worked backwards from that? I don't really see anything problematic in the TNG Klingon makeup, except maybe the women's clothing being a bit too chainmail bikini.
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From what I read, they worked forwards from the fact that they were already darkening actors' skin with the Klingon makeup (which sometimes they did it more than others, and it can even get hard to tell skintone with Star Trek's early screwy color TV technology). So later on, getting black actors to play Klingons made things easier for the makeup team. It can get pretty striking when you see some of the in and out of makeup. I think that's part of why Gowron's eyes stand out so much even. Which there might be some interesting question in there about what it means if different real-world races provide different foundations for alien makeup. With aliens with more unnatural skintones like the Cardassians, you often don't really notice the race of the actor underneath, so there can be black actors playing Cardassians with little comment, but when black actors got hired to play makeup-light races that had previously been only white, like Vulcans, there's sometimes outcry at the difference. Aside from the whole weird question of the Klingons, I don't think there's ever been a primarily-"black" makeup-light alien race in Star Trek like how so many other alien races are primarily depicted as white, like with Bajorans or Romulans.
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There’s the guys in Code of Honor. Probably best not to revisit that though
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skasion posted:There’s the guys in Code of Honor. Probably best not to revisit that though I didn't realize until my rewatch that was the third loving episode of that show, after the terrible pilot and the terrible TOS ripoff episode. TNG wouldn't have had a chance in the internet era.
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zoux posted:I didn't realize until my rewatch that was the third loving episode of that show, after the terrible pilot and the terrible TOS ripoff episode. TNG wouldn't have had a chance in the internet era. Also written by the same person who wrote Stargate SG-1's third episode, which is woof
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BonHair posted:Also the main Klingon guy was black, so maybe they kinda worked backwards from that? I don't really see anything problematic in the TNG Klingon makeup, except maybe the women's clothing being a bit too chainmail bikini.
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I think the only mixed race couples (by the actors ethnicities I mean) involve Klingons. Every other character played by a black character that has a wife or husband has one that corresponds to the actor's race. Tuvok has a black Vulcan wife, Sisko marries the only other black character on the show that isn't his son. It always seemed kind of hosed up that they (probably correctly) assumed that audiences would have less of a problem with a white woman dating a Klingon than they would a black human.
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zoux posted:I think the only mixed race couples (by the actors ethnicities I mean) involve Klingons. Every other character played by a black character that has a wife or husband has one that corresponds to the actor's race. Tuvok has a black Vulcan wife, Sisko marries the only other black character on the show that isn't his son. And keeping with TV tradition Harry Kim, an Asian, dates no one.
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The 90s Klingon “fashion” goes back to the redesign in TMP, though I can’t think of a female version of it until the bodybuilder lieutenant Klaa is simping after in Final Frontier. The Lursa and Betor look is basically that, but with cleavage window. Only a couple years apart irl. By contrast Chris Lloyd’s disposable mistress in Search for Spock is wearing like an evening gown.
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swickles posted:And keeping with TV tradition Harry Kim, an Asian, dates no one. He got space herpes from that one lady
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zoux posted:I think the only mixed race couples (by the actors ethnicities I mean) involve Klingons. Every other character played by a black character that has a wife or husband has one that corresponds to the actor's race. Tuvok has a black Vulcan wife, Sisko marries the only other black character on the show that isn't his son. O'Brien 
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skasion posted:There’s the guys in Code of Honor. Probably best not to revisit that though I was never really sure if they were aliens or just another human colony that split off before the Federation was formed. They don't have any prosthetics.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I was never really sure if they were aliens or just another human colony that split off before the Federation was formed. They don't have any prosthetics. Previous starfleet expedition accidentally left behind a collection of Rudyard Kipling poems.
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swickles posted:And keeping with TV tradition Harry Kim, an Asian, dates no one. he's got a friends-with-benefits set up with the Delaney sisters
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He also gets like 3 wives when he develops the spots.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I was never really sure if they were aliens or just another human colony that split off before the Federation was formed. They don't have any prosthetics. They were lizardman in the first draft.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I was never really sure if they were aliens or just another human colony that split off before the Federation was formed. They don't have any prosthetics. I feel like (outside of the first draft) they fit the TOS sorta mold like most of the series 1 TNG stuff It's just other humans on weird planets. See also the guys that wanted to sentence wesley to death
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Taear posted:
They should have tried harder.
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I'll confess that the only parts of Code of Honor that actually bother me are the handspikeball weapon and the jungle gym combat arena.
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Sash! posted:I'll confess that the only parts of Code of Honor that actually bother me are the handspikeball weapon and the jungle gym combat arena. The aesthetics of it are the most racist part, it’s a pretty bland episode otherwise.
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I was already complaining about this stupid looking open jacket style that Picard has going on in Season 5. Now, all of the sudden he's just walking around with the bottom of it zippered but not actually zipped all the way up? Like, the little part that's zippered at the bottom is just hanging there while the rest is open exposing his nondescript gray t shirt. Disgraceful. He's wearing it kinda like this but with the zipper even a bit lower down. 
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Taear posted:See also the guys that wanted to sentence wesley to death They weren't human.
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Basebf555 posted:I was already complaining about this stupid looking open jacket style that Picard has going on in Season 5. Now, all of the sudden he's just walking around with the bottom of it zippered but not actually zipped all the way up? Like, the little part that's zippered at the bottom is just hanging there while the rest is open exposing his nondescript gray t shirt. Disgraceful. 100% with you on this, might as well put on jogging pants and big white sneakers underneath.
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Basebf555 posted:I was already complaining about this stupid looking open jacket style that Picard has going on in Season 5. Now, all of the sudden he's just walking around with the bottom of it zippered but not actually zipped all the way up? Like, the little part that's zippered at the bottom is just hanging there while the rest is open exposing his nondescript gray t shirt. Disgraceful. It was the early 90s, okay? I mean, it was* the late 2360s, but that's like the space early 90s. *(it will be the late 2360s? it will have been the late 2360s? it was will be being have been the late 2360s?)
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bennyfactor posted:*(it will be the late 2360s? it will have been the late 2360s? it was will be being have been the late 2360s?) wioll haven be
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skasion posted:The 90s Klingon “fashion” goes back to the redesign in TMP, though I can’t think of a female version of it until the bodybuilder lieutenant Klaa is simping after in Final Frontier. The Lursa and Betor look is basically that, but with cleavage window. Only a couple years apart irl. I always dug Azetbur's chainmail shoulderpads in Undiscovered Country. Fighting Trousers fucked around with this message at 22:07 on May 10, 2023 |
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That Klingon dinner scene is such a banger
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brb making a batch of blue spaghetti
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zoux posted:That Klingon dinner scene is such a banger Sure, if you like non-sequitur dialogue and everyone acting out of character.
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Earth, Hitler, 1933 posted:Sure, if you like non-sequitur dialogue and everyone acting out of character.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I was never really sure if they were aliens or just another human colony that split off before the Federation was formed. They don't have any prosthetics. I always thought they should have done more with the idea of non-Federation human colonies. They pop up now and then, but it'd be neat if there was a rival human nation of some size out there. Would have made more sense than the Maquis.
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