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Mr Interweb posted:and speaking of the finale, i never got why it was that high. i mean, it was getting less than half those numbers for most of its run. why would people suddenly want to show up for the finale? seems like that would be very counterproductive and VERY confusing See also: the ratings for popular sitcom finales like Seinfeld and MASH. They heard lots of hype about the show and thus showed up to talk about it the next day and to say "I was there." Whatever the gently caress the show actually was was a distant second.
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It's also possible that people caught up with it through reruns and streaming that might not be counted in the same way as people watching it as it originally aired, but when it came to the finale, more people took the trouble so they could see it without spoilers.
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Henchman of Santa posted:It was one of AMC's first original shows and had a long leash because it had critical acclaim (see also Mad Men, which peaked at 3.5 million). Got on Netflix before season 4, became a word of mouth sensation, so by the time season 5 comes around it's appointment television and you had to watch it live to avoid spoilers. That final run was my senior year of college and basically everyone I knew would scramble to find a place to watch it every Sunday night, then basically have group therapy because it was so stressful! the final season being watched live by so many people (i had been on the ride since season 3 or so) and being so stressful week to week is one of those things you can't really get visiting the show now. there was an intensity introduced by the week long wait, imo, that can't be reproduced.
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Lady Radia posted:the final season being watched live by so many people (i had been on the ride since season 3 or so) and being so stressful week to week is one of those things you can't really get visiting the show now. there was an intensity introduced by the week long wait, imo, that can't be reproduced. I remember my mom calling and telling me she was losing sleep because she was worried about Jesse.
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Byzantine posted:Even the omnipresent life energy of the cosmos doesn't care about Nazis getting killed. Hell, the omnipresent life energy of the cosmos helped Luke pull the trigger on those bastards; it expressly lusts for the death of fascist scum.
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Lady Radia posted:the final season being watched live by so many people (i had been on the ride since season 3 or so) and being so stressful week to week is one of those things you can't really get visiting the show now. there was an intensity introduced by the week long wait, imo, that can't be reproduced. this is one of the things i miss that yes, still exists, but has been greatly diluted by binge releases. watching shows like Invincible and The Boys on a weekly basis was fun times that i hadn't experienced in a long time
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Kchama posted:Also I'm not sure Die Hard belongs on that list since John McClane's not a tortured genius rear end in a top hat. He's suppose to be a skilled everyman, a bit cynical but a good guy. That's the American version of Great Man Theory, Rugged Individualism. In popular fiction it usually takes the form where the protagonist outwardly appears to be just a regular joe (and usually a bit of a smartass) but he's actually a secret badass who could beat the poo poo out of everyone if he wanted. He's not downtrodden, he's the underdog! Just try pushing him past his limit and then see what'll happen! It's closely related to that famous quote which is misattributed to John Steinbeck: "Socialism never took root in America because the poor there see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires." (Steinbeck's actual line was "I guess the trouble was that we didn’t have any self-admitted proletarians. Everyone was a temporarily embarrassed capitalist.") It's pretty much the same mindset, people living NPC lifestyles but are convinced they're actually the protagonist and they're just waiting for their time in the spotlight. The Joel Schumacher film Falling Down is a great dissection of how it'd look if someone tried to live out the Secret Badass hero fantasy in real life, with Michael Douglas taking a stand and pushing back against all the villains who were keeping him down. Oops, it turns out he's just a crazy person who threatens fast food employees with a gun and it's not until the very end that he realises he's actually the bad guy. And even then he decides to end things with a Wild West quickdraw duel where he twists logic to become a hero again, his final words being "I would have got you  "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3Jwfq8dscY Don't forget that Die Hard has a ton of Western imagery in it with Gruber constantly calling John "Mr Cowboy" and John constantly quipping back "Yippee-ki-yay!" and it ends with a Wild West quickdraw duel after Gruber taunts John about how he's not going to get the cowboy hero ending and walk off into the sunset with Grace Kelly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sFwN3hyLQM
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Henchman of Santa posted:I remember my mom calling and telling me she was losing sleep because she was worried about Jesse. Awww I’m happy that in El Camino Badger, Skinny Pete and Jesse end up OK I don’t have cable TV so watched Breaking Bad on Netflix. And I decided to watch The Walking Dead from the beginning and am almost finished Entertainment doesn’t have to be high art
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Badger and Skinny Pete are still in legal trouble, sorry. The cops picked up Pete, but Badger is still presumably okay-ish unless they track him down and he says something incriminating.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Don't forget that Die Hard has a ton of Western imagery in it with Gruber constantly calling John "Mr Cowboy" and John constantly quipping back "Yippee-ki-yay!" and it ends with a Wild West quickdraw duel after Gruber taunts John about how he's not going to get the cowboy hero ending and walk off into the sunset with Grace Kelly interesting that he picks Grace Kelly, or just that he chose High Noon seeing as the whole point is that Gary Cooper's character is trying to put together a posse for the entire movie and then goes on to fight the gang by himself, knowing he will probably die. Then again, media literacy is something that is lacking everywhere
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Aces High posted:interesting that he picks Grace Kelly, or just that he chose High Noon seeing as the whole point is that Gary Cooper's character is trying to put together a posse for the entire movie and then goes on to fight the gang by himself, knowing he will probably die. Then again, media literacy is something that is lacking everywhere If Gruber had actually watched High Noon he would have also been aware using the other guy's estranged wife as a human shield during the final showdown doesn't work. 
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Aces High posted:interesting that he picks Grace Kelly, or just that he chose High Noon seeing as the whole point is that Gary Cooper's character is trying to put together a posse for the entire movie and then goes on to fight the gang by himself, knowing he will probably die. Then again, media literacy is something that is lacking everywhere During the "Yippie Ki Yay Motherfucker" scene, Hans Gruber pokes the 4th wall by calling John McClaine (paraphrased) "Rambo, John Wayne, another American who has seen too many movies." McClaine responds by asserting greater media literacy-- "I was always partial to Roy Rogers actually. Loved those sequin suits." Therefore the punchline: "Do you really think you can stop us Mr. Cowboy?" "Yippie-Ki Yay Motherfucker!" The joke works on multiple levels because aside from working in the context of the conversation, it also pokes at the audience and says "Hey so you were thinking about how McClaine is doing the classic US cowboy in then-contemporary 1988 urban Los Angeles too weren't you? Yeah you're smart. See the two smartest guys in the movie recognize and agree with you too!" It's an early form of what would later be called Scream "meta-commentary" and later still Joss Whedon pop culture riffing, and now is just shorthanded to "Marvel movie speak" despite Marvel having a slightly different brand of vapid dialogue punctuation, but that's because snobs always hate whichever form of nerd is currently in the driver's seat. Anyway as the movie goes Gruber calls McClaine a cowboy at least 1-2 other times. Then at the end he tries again to dominate McClaine with another joke about Grace Kelly and McClaine once again asserts his own greater literacy "That was Gary Cooper rear end in a top hat!" and thus assures the audience via metatext that he's going to win the encounter in addition to telling anyone familiar with "High Noon" that "yeah we know this movie is similar." Good writing, good jokes.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:That's the American version of Great Man Theory, Rugged Individualism. In popular fiction it usually takes the form where the protagonist outwardly appears to be just a regular joe (and usually a bit of a smartass) but he's actually a secret badass who could beat the poo poo out of everyone if he wanted. He's not downtrodden, he's the underdog! Just try pushing him past his limit and then see what'll happen! I was just calling out his inclusion on the 'Tortured rear end in a top hat Genius' list when that's kind of the opposite of John McClane's character. He doesn't do it alone because he wants to, he does it alone because he's forced to, and is sympathetic even to jerks (see him getting pissed at that idiot's murder in the first movie). He's also not a Secret Badass who wishes he could hurt everyone who wronged him, either. He's the underdog because he's outnumbered and outgunned, not because everyone thinks he's a loser. He's just the Wrong Guy At The Wrong Place At The Wrong Time.
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https://twitter.com/1900hotdog/status/1656992628427341826?s=46&t=CBKJcBX0BD3U5HgUdsqBtw Seanbaby covered a satanic panic video which includes things like being against the equal rights act
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Mr Interweb posted:holy loving poo poo: and 30 years ago those numbers wouldn't have been big enough to justify keeping the show on the air
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Mr Interweb posted:and speaking of the finale, i never got why it was that high. i mean, it was getting less than half those numbers for most of its run. why would people suddenly want to show up for the finale? seems like that would be very counterproductive and VERY confusing DVDs and streaming
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Kchama posted:I was just calling out his inclusion on the 'Tortured rear end in a top hat Genius' list when that's kind of the opposite of John McClane's character. He doesn't do it alone because he wants to, he does it alone because he's forced to, and is sympathetic even to jerks (see him getting pissed at that idiot's murder in the first movie). He's also not a Secret Badass who wishes he could hurt everyone who wronged him, either. He's the underdog because he's outnumbered and outgunned, not because everyone thinks he's a loser. He's just the Wrong Guy At The Wrong Place At The Wrong Time. All those things you listed are part of the "Rugged individual going at it alone" bullshit, which is similar, though distinct, from the abusive genius cliche
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What does that actually mean lol. Next you're gonna critique the hero's journey because there's only one hero.
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CJacobs posted:What does that actually mean lol. Next you're gonna critique the hero's journey because there's only one hero. Yeah, it's individualistic and masturbatory, as is the discussion of it in American film-making circles.
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die hard 1 was really really good but you could get glimpses of weird "lliberals >LIBERALS LIEBRALLS" in it nonetheless. relic of its time in that regard i suppose i watch it every christmas just to keep it on my rotation. i like it a lot. thanks for reading
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Lady Radia posted:die hard 1 was really really good but you could get glimpses of weird "lliberals >LIBERALS LIEBRALLS" in it nonetheless. relic of its time in that regard i suppose I've always been interested in Die Hard's light satire on Reaganism, with Hans Gruber just another corporate raider interested in "sitting on a beach, earning 20 percent." By Die Hard 4 we get McClane lecturing the techno-libertarian hacker that "It's not a system, it's a country!", a sign of how the quality of writing has declined.
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Die Hard is a bit all over the place in anti-corporatism, anti-police sentiment.
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Personally I hate individualism and I'm a big fan of people doing what they're told by authority.
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Counterpoint: we live in a society
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Dressing up as a bat and punching the mentally ill is a poor way to effect societal change. 
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John Murdoch posted:Dressing up as a bat and punching the mentally ill is a poor way to effect societal change. But if a single billionaire finds it therapeutic...
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CJacobs posted:What does that actually mean lol. Next you're gonna critique the hero's journey because there's only one hero. If you're too stupid to read I can't help you
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inb4 the "no u"
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ynohtna posted:But if a single billionaire finds it therapeutic... I think I'd prefer that to the systematic dismantling of mom & pop shops and labor unions tbh
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I just randomly thought about The World According to Garp movie, and if I'm not mistaken, it starts with Garp's mother raping a comatose bomber pilot (which was treated as a joke), has bizarre straw feminists woven throughout the entire story, and features John Lithgow as a trans woman. I remember disliking the movie too much to rewatch it, but I think there's no way it hasn't aged like milk.
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ponzicar posted:I just randomly thought about The World According to Garp movie, and if I'm not mistaken, it starts with Garp's mother raping a comatose bomber pilot (which was treated as a joke), has bizarre straw feminists woven throughout the entire story, and features John Lithgow as a trans woman. According to wikipedia: quote:John Irving's mother, Frances Winslow, had not been married at the time of his conception,[6] and Irving never met his biological father. As a child, he was not told anything about his father, and he told his mother that unless she gave him some information about his biological father, in his writing he would invent the father and the circumstances of how she got pregnant. Winslow would reply "Go ahead, dear."[7] That sounds about loving right.
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I was quite confused by this talk of a good doctor, until I realised the show I was thinking of was a young doctors notebook which was brilliant. Daniel Radcliffe is great at picking his roles now he doesn't have to worry about the money so much as most people.
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https://twitter.com/hausofdecline/status/1642275742695280642 exhibit A: https://twitter.com/ExileGrimm/status/1656653902836641793 that show had a lot of crazy rear end episodes but that's the one that i tell people about when they ask about house
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I remember one where the punchline was "she lies so much and incidentally she's pooping out of her mouth"
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There’s one where the climax is an increasingly manic house rooting around in a teen girl’s vagina to find a tick. I believe they are on an elevator and confused people get on and off the elevator in the background as it continues to go up and down. Also there’s a different episode where they have a machine that lets them watch people’s dreams from a third-person perspective like that scene in Futureworld.
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I AM GRANDO posted:There’s one where the climax is an increasingly manic house rooting around in a teen girl’s vagina to find a tick. I believe they are on an elevator and confused people get on and off the elevator in the background as it continues to go up and down. Ehhhh... not quite. They hit the manual stop on the elevator and it's only House, Foreman, and Wilson there. When they start it up again and the door opens, the father of the patient literally goes for House's jugular and calls him a creep. And that patient was played by... Michelle Trachtenberg, the same actress who Joss Whedon had to be forbidden from being alone in a room with a few years prior. The thread comes full circle.
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I'm beginning to think the show 'House' was weird about teenage girls!
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HopperUK posted:That shark at the start of Toy Story putting on the cowboy hat and going "Look, I'm Woody! Howdy howdy howdy!" is still the funniest poo poo to me. It might be my favourite joke in a pixar movie ever. It's so stupid.
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Toshimo posted:Ehhhh... not quite. They hit the manual stop on the elevator and it's only House, Foreman, and Wilson there. When they start it up again and the door opens, the father of the patient literally goes for House's jugular and calls him a creep. Yeah, I remember that episode. House knew that she had X, but couldn't prove it because there was still too much time left in the episode, so all of the Wrong doctors figured that it must actually be Y because she was showing symptoms for that more clearly. But the surgery for Y would have killed her because it was wrong and unnecessary, so House kidnapped her on the way to the operating room and locked themselves in the elevator to find the vaginal tick that would prove she had X all along like he said.
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