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They're popular with the "soy" subspecies of Gay. Dreadful creatures...
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I still enjoyed ME when I did the remaster but out of every dead genre I think "RTWP based on D&D" is the one I'm most glad is dead
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May 14, 2023 15:59
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It's not dead though. Undead, maybe.
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May 14, 2023 16:01
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RTWP is the most fail poo poo ever. I hate it. WoTR was good in spite of it and because I could do turn based for encounters that mattered.
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May 14, 2023 16:01
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Clarste posted:It's not dead though. Undead, maybe. it's like, at least at "space sim" levels of dead
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May 14, 2023 16:02
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NikkolasKing posted:I think BW is pretty popular with gay video game players. Probably precisely because they were willing to do this poo poo pretty early on in the Western AAA scene and risk the wrath of Fox News and poo poo.
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May 14, 2023 16:02
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Having beaten Deadfire several times, I can never go back to the original Baldur's Gates. 2nd Edition was simply the worst and those games accurately adapted flaw of the ruleset.
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May 14, 2023 16:03
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the only thing worse than nikkolasking having opinions on final fantasy is them having opinions on gay rep in video games
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Inspector Gesicht posted:Having beaten Deadfire several times, I can never go back to the original Baldur's Gates. 2nd Edition was simply the worst and those games accurately adapted flaw of the ruleset. so goddamn bad. i wouldnt accuse like, Fallout 2 of having great combat but at least its combat that was designed for a video game and its so much nicer to play than BG these days
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May 14, 2023 16:04
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Inspector Gesicht posted:Having beaten Deadfire several times, I can never go back to the original Baldur's Gates. 2nd Edition was simply the worst and those games accurately adapted flaw of the ruleset. Deadfire is extremely good. One of my favorite CRPGs ever, which is why I am so god drat impatient for Avowed.
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May 14, 2023 16:09
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I'm anti pathfinder as an actual tabletop game but between that and the upcoming rogue trader game I'm glad we are getting new game stuff that uses something other dnd systems
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May 14, 2023 16:11
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Endorph posted:the only thing worse than nikkolasking having opinions on final fantasy is them having opinions on gay rep in video games I'm just gonna listen to the gay man who wrote DA and all the other LGBT fans I've met over the years instead of, you know, you.
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May 14, 2023 16:14
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Real time with pause was always a stupid rear end loving dodge to try to go "Look! Our games aren't lame old TURN BASED, they're PULSE POUNDING ACTION" when every single one of them was just doing standard turn based stuff like hit/damage rolls under the hood while unpaused, and once the player leveled to a sufficient point - typically mid-late BG1 or from the very beginning of BG2 - you ended up having to pause constantly to navigate the incredibly cumbersome UI to continually cast your bazillion spells on potentially multiple party members. One of Dragon Age Origins's key gameplay advertisements was having an extremely robust programmable party AI that would do what you wanted to in combat using a shockingly elaborate series of if > then statements, which in retrospect is a really hilariously rear end-backwards way of trying to sidestep the weaknesses of RTWP without just making the damned game turn based.
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May 14, 2023 16:15
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i think it was all kind of compounded by D&D 2e being a) bad, and b) really really unsuited for video games
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Feels Villeneuve posted:i think it was all kind of compounded by D&D 2e being a) bad, and b) really really unsuited for video games Unfortunately, subsequent RTWP games that weren't on D&D 2e also had very similar problems, though they at least had better UX.
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May 14, 2023 16:19
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NikkolasKing posted:I'm just gonna listen to the gay man who wrote DA and all the other LGBT fans I've met over the years instead of, you know, you.
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May 14, 2023 16:19
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the thing that always got me about gay poo poo in bioware games is how it got *worse* as it went on because they became far more self-conscious about it
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May 14, 2023 16:20
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In my circles everyone is gay AND they all hate Bioware. But I think that's mostly just correlation and not causation, since hating Bioware is just kinda fun for all sexualities.
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May 14, 2023 16:21
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*joe biden voice* if you hate dragon age inquisition, you aint gay
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May 14, 2023 16:22
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There are three options for male protagonists and one option for female protagonists. All of these romances are for the opposite sex only and all come with racial restrictions.
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May 14, 2023 16:24
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the 'gay rep' in both ME and DA were like...really bad. It took until the third entry for both games to have real gay stuff in general, and while I think Inquisition's gay rep was..not terrible (outside sera lol) it still didn't feel all that good or praise worthy. The transguy in Iron Bull's merc group is prob the only interesting LGBT thing Bioware did and he's a side character without any depth
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May 14, 2023 16:25
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the trans dude in inquisition isnt bad but at the same time hes the most illustrative of bioware's approach to that stuff because your only dialog options with him are to either ignore it or to ask him to explain the concept to you slowly like you're a very stupid child felt very much like something written by and for people who werent part of that group but wanting praise from that group lol like imagine if there had been a dialog option to cut off his explanation with 'oh yeah, dont worry, i get it, winkwink' or smth and you both share a lil nod. like that wouldve actually been kinda innovative.. instead it feels a bit very special episode-y
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i think there are a lot of gay people who probably do like bioware games. i think all sorts of people can have good or bad taste.
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May 14, 2023 16:27
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some of it in da1 was like, fine? nothing that blew my socks off but it lacked the sense of self-consciousness that so many big budget games have, especially in the last decade or so
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May 14, 2023 16:28
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Feels Villeneuve posted:so goddamn bad. i wouldnt accuse like, Fallout 2 of having great combat but at least its combat that was designed for a video game and its so much nicer to play than BG these days i watched a video on fo2 that made me appreciate like, the idea of what it does even if i dont enjoy playing it that much. it's nice that it it has a more defined pace than rtwp and does a better job creating weird dynamic stories that can play out just because you're getting to see how each step of the fight escalates into a dozen bystanders getting blown up NikkolasKing posted:I'm just gonna listen to the gay man who wrote DA and all the other LGBT fans I've met over the years instead of, you know, you. insane thing to say to a person
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FO2 is just intuitive despite having all sorts of stats, I think. Nothing about translating dnd2e to a video game is intuitive
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there are trans people who like tell me why. does that mean i, personally, have to give tell me why credit and call it a meaningful piece of trans art that has pushed forward social progress and took risks in existing? i'd rather get stabbed by my own child whose inner magic voice power malfunctioned to make them think i was transphobic and fall into an icy lake
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"drat critics used to really hate handheld rpgs" is an old topic but lol goddamn
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The Colonel posted:there are trans people who like tell me why. does that mean i, personally, have to give tell me why credit and call it a meaningful piece of trans art that has pushed forward social progress and took risks in existing? i'd rather get stabbed by my own child whose inner magic voice power malfunctioned to make them think i was transphobic and fall into an icy lake sorry, personally, im going to trust actual lgbt people over 'you' *makes noise of disguist*
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May 14, 2023 16:34
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I think it's more that western audiences really did not wrap their head around roguelikes yet. "dude wtf you lose all your progress when you die"
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Maybe the game is bad
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nah the pokemon mystery dungeon games own, that one especially
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mycot posted:I think it's more that western audiences really did not wrap their head around roguelikes yet. thank goodness for rogue legacy
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Critics loved the golden sun games, at least.
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also in fairness it was a "enhanced" rerelease of an already existing game a la Pokemon Emerald but it was funny to see
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marvel's golden suns
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i think RTWP's strengths come through when the encounters are designed around it. RTWP is significantly better at large-scale fights with a lot of simple enemies to carve through and a small number of more intelligent and tactical ones.
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Catgirl Al Capone posted:i think RTWP's strengths come through when the encounters are designed around it. RTWP is significantly better at large-scale fights with a lot of simple enemies to carve through and a small number of more intelligent and tactical ones. Yeah, Siège of Dragonspear (the “recent” non-BioWare expansion to baldur’s gate) does some really good impressive stuff with large scale battles (sieges and stuff) and it rules
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May 14, 2023 16:42
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tbf that can also go awry. neverwinter nights 2 loved 'setpiece' battles that were just 50 orcs.
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RTWP is great in Total War, every RTS should have it.
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