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HootTheOwl posted:Wow, the first player to have his career shortened by carpel tunnel fortnite ruins the team yet again
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Koopa Kid posted:Great post boxc but I find it hard to figure out what the diagrams relate to because every time I read the text around them all I see is “The Leafs are so hosed” repeated 200 times?? One of our teams is probably gonna pay him like $15 million on his next deal. Hopefully he gets surgery or something before then! ThinkTank posted:That was a really great writeup boxc and thank you Jhet for the follow up. I'm not a player so I can't put into words the mechanics he has, but that sums it up. He's just the best modern style shooter we've seen. He doesn't need to pull it out to his strong side to shoot, he can keep it very close to his body and still get the same accuracy and velocity. If that's a technique that's being widely taught I imagine his effectiveness will wane as time goes on and players enter the league who use it as well and goalies/systems adapt to account for it. Right now I think a lot of it is "wait what you can't shoot from that part of your stride how did he do that?" To use an example I can think of, he can fire a wrist shot from the hash marks with the same mechanics you'd use to chip a puck in from right by the net. It just does not look like a wristshot of any power should be possible when you fire it like that. Like if a pitcher went through the motions to throw a curveball but when it came out of his hand it resulted in a 100mph fastball down the middle. Yeah, it'll definitely be something people get accustomed to, but it'll take a few years. You can see it in that toe-drag highlight video. Like, this is just bad junior-level defending:  You won't even really see that from like Tony D in the NHL, even. Pretty much any NHL-level player would get a Grade-A opportunity off of that. The stick is nowhere the puck. But this one:  ...that's actually not bad. The defender's stick is exactly where most guys would end up on a toe-drag-and-shoot. But Bedard's top hand is like right near his ear, so he's able to shoot with his stick near vertical and the puck basically below his whole body. Normally you would shoot about 30 feet over the net if you tried that, but he's able to turn his wrists over so quickly that he ends up in an extremely pronounced pronation in the course of his shot:  ...which not only helps with keeping the puck down, but it disguises the location of the shot a bit since it's late in the shooting motion (again, Kessel does this really well sometimes by looking top right corner and just pronating his stick to shoot lower left pad, like a Magic Johnson no look pass), and it helps with the speed of the shot since it's the last little "snap" motion of it. That first goal won't really happen in the NHL. The second goal will happen, at least for a while, at least until it's Because It's The Cup time.
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It used to be wild watching Matthews shoot cause he could get shots off from any hand/stick position. Now he seems so slow. Also Chicago should be fine if they don't hire Peter Chiarelli to trade all their assets to accelerate a fool proof rebuild cause you need Milan Lucic and Griffin Reinhart and stick them in a 5 year hole. But Chicago should hire Peter Chiarelli or Scott Howson.
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May 14, 2023 23:28
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May 14, 2023 23:34
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The Rise and Fall of Auston Matthews and the Spiders from Toronto.
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May 14, 2023 23:35
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Chuck Fletcher for Chicago. He's not the GM they need, but he's the one they deserve.
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fawning deference posted:There are still a lot of players who have grown up rooting for the Blackhawks, and a lot of players who do think it's cool to wear an O6 sweater. It's funny to think Bedard was in like, kindergarten when the Hawks got their first title in year 3 of the Kane/Toews era
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Mr. Fish posted:Chuck Fletcher for Chicago. He's not the GM they need, but he's the one they deserve. The irony being the last time(s) Minnesota made the 2nd round, Fletcher was the GM and they lost those 2nd round series to the Chicago Blackhawks. That made it 3 in a row they lost to Chicago from 12-13 to 14-15. Fletcher for Chicago.
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Great posts about shooting techniques, cheers
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DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:One of our teams is probably gonna pay him like $15 million on his next deal. Hopefully he gets surgery or something before then! Fun fact: in the handshake line Auston’s right wrist was wrapped, the wrist he had surgery on back in 20-21 was his left. Also the recovery time for that surgery was only 6 weeks, so if it was a similar issue in his right side you’d imagine he would have had that treated in the off-season or even early/mid season to be healthy in time for this year’s playoffs, but he didn’t. So it stands to reason that whatever’s bothering his other wrist is somehow less treatable or has worse outcomes for intervention than his previous injury, which he did more or less recover fully from. Doesn’t cast doubt about his career moving forward at all!
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May 15, 2023 00:26
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I've been speaking to Gordie Howe's family and they tell me that the problem is they keep trying to transplant Datsyuk's ankle tendons into Matthews' wrist, so maybe just stop doing that?
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May 15, 2023 00:39
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I'm no expert, but maybe they should have shut down Matthews for a bit if he was playing through a wrist injury all year. The Leafs were pretty much locked into A2 since the All-Star break, and its not like they've ever cared about putting a quality product on the ice.
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Here is the same thing as earlier but from the OHL. Its a McDavid Comparison.pre:Connor McDavid 2.55 Marco Rossi 2.14 Mitch Marner 2.00 Dylan Strome 1.90 Matthew Tkachuk 1.88 Quinton Byfield 1.82 Cole Perfetti 1.82 Andrei Svech 1.64 Sam Bennett 1.60 Shane Wright 1.49 Nick Suzuki 1.48 Jack Quinn 1.44 Mich Dal Colle 1.42 Max Domi 1.36 Sean Monahan 1.34 Alex Nylander 1.32 Tyson Foerster 1.29 Kerby Rychel 1.28 Logan Brown 1.25 Owen Tippett 1.25 Gabriel Vilardi 1.24 Brendan Perlini 1.22 Nick Ritchie 1.21 Not sure what the deal with Rossi is and why his scoring doesn't translate to the NHL. Dylan Strome played with McDavid that year, so his numbers are skewed. He did play about 30 games without him and his ppg were 1.6 or so.
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May 15, 2023 01:04
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It's possible the surgery is only x% successful cause wrists are complicated and its safer to just play through the pain and rehab. Surgery isn't a magic bullet.
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Mr. Kite posted:Not sure what the deal with Rossi is and why his scoring doesn't translate to the NHL. He is a decent prospect putting up a ppg in the AHL, but his major issue was he got an incredibly severe case of covid in 2020 that kept him out of training for almost a full year.
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Spelling Mitsake posted:I'm no expert, but maybe they should have shut down Matthews for a bit if he was playing through a wrist injury all year. The Leafs were pretty much locked into A2 since the All-Star break, and its not like they've ever cared about putting a quality product on the ice. The Leafs treatment of injuries overall has been maddening for years, but it’s not like they don’t consult doctors or think about the long term. There’s kinds of injuries that won’t get better with rest/time but also won’t get worse with further use, he did get time off a couple times during the season and obviously didn’t improve in any lasting way. The ‘21 surgery was notable because it happened late enough in the off-season that Matthews had to miss the start of the season even though he’d had the injury since early spring, he was clearly hoping to not have a procedure and waited too long. I’m hoping/betting that it’s the same thing this time but with a much longer recovery time, he hoped that he’d heal up in the summer, didn’t, and by then he’d miss too much of the season or potentially all of it if he went under the knife.
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:It's possible the surgery is only x% successful cause wrists are complicated and its safer to just play through the pain and rehab. Surgery isn't a magic bullet. This is the worst-case scenario (for teams, obviously) imo, cause it basically means he’s like this forever and his greatest talent is just gone. It’s been a full off-season and over a calendar year since this injury occurred, he’s had as much time as any active NHLer can have to work it out and hasn’t.
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Koopa Kid posted:Fun fact: in the handshake line Auston’s right wrist was wrapped, the wrist he had surgery on back in 20-21 was his left. Also the recovery time for that surgery was only 6 weeks, so if it was a similar issue in his right side you’d imagine he would have had that treated in the off-season or even early/mid season to be healthy in time for this year’s playoffs, but he didn’t. It's not an enviable position. I woke up the day after a game in high school and my wrist was "clicking" every time I rotated it and felt weird. The grip on my pinky and ring finger on my left hand felt weak. I didn't remember getting slashed too bad, but the doctor hypothesized that it might have been a delayed reaction, or maybe I had it and then slept on it wrong, or who even knows. It didn't get better at all, so they gave me a little removable cast to attempt to immobilize it. I got an MRI on it and X-Rays, but the doc basically said that there's nothing that popped out, and it's really hard because wrist X-Rays and MRIs look like this:  because there's so many bones and ligaments and all kinds of poo poo in that area that it's hard to pinpoint exactly what is wrong. Even just all those bones getting dislodged can cause poo poo. So their best guess was that it was an ulnar nerve thing:  ...and to immobilize it as much as possible and wear the wrist thing during the rest of the season. I went back at some point for a follow-up later because it felt like I didn't have as strong grip strength, but it turns out I did--I just can't feel it that much in that pinky and ring finger. Thankfully, I'm a lefty in hockey so so it wasn't my top-hand, so I just compensate by taping my stick up with a lot of tacky poo poo to help me "feel" the grip since then. In baseball, I was a switch hitter but basically exclusively went lefty after that because it didn't feel like I could grip the bat well as a righty. It felt like I had to just "trust" that I was gripping it as much as I thought. To this day, even though the clicking in my wrist seems to have stopped, it still feels like I have a worse grip. Maybe that's legit nerve damage, maybe that's psychological, but the thing I'd worry about with Auston is that he's spending so much time compensating for it and it's so long that it's been hosed up that he might not psychologically recover from it. Or maybe there's not much that can be done with surgery without potential further injury. Or maybe he bites the bullet, does some surgery, takes time off, and it's a placebo thing enough for him that he regains his confidence. Hands/wrists are just so weird. I have a goose-neck deformity on my ring finger on the other side from a baseball injury that never fully healed, but I've never really noticed that at all from a grip perspective. So who knows!
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Koopa Kid posted:The ‘21 surgery was notable because it happened late enough in the off-season that Matthews had to miss the start of the season even though he’d had the injury since early spring, he was clearly hoping to not have a procedure and waited too long. Players hate getting surgery right at the beginning of the offseason and spending their only 3 months off rehabbing from it. Especially if it means you can't play golf, which IIRC Matthews is really into even by pro athlete standards.
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ThinkTank posted:He is a decent prospect putting up a ppg in the AHL, but his major issue was he got an incredibly severe case of covid in 2020 that kept him out of training for almost a full year. Sounds like a recipe for someone taking a flyer on him after Minnesota gets fed up and people being surprised when he does well
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DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:[snip] Very informative but yet again, all I can see is “The Leafs are so hosed” over and over again, maybe worth getting your keyboard checked out  Eric the Mauve posted:Players hate getting surgery right at the beginning of the offseason and spending their only 3 months off rehabbing from it. Especially if it means you can't play golf, which IIRC Matthews is really into even by pro athlete standards. It’d be pretty funny (and fitting) if Matthews’ wrist being hosed had absolutely no impact on his golf game while making him bad in the playoffs, but I imagine there’s a happy medium in there somewhere and seems like guys elect for surgery at any/all times of year generally speaking.
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ThinkTank posted:He is a decent prospect putting up a ppg in the AHL, but his major issue was he got an incredibly severe case of covid in 2020 that kept him out of training for almost a full year. Also, when looking up those stats, I noticed something odd. In the 18/19 season, Rossi had 1.23 ppg and Quinn had 0.52 ppg. In the 19/20 season, Rossi had 2.14 ppg and Quinn had 1.44 ppg. So Rossi had a jump of 74% and Quinn had a jump of 177%. Any particular reason for those jumps, especially Quinn? I assume more playing time but those are huge jumps. Also, why are the 67's called the "67's" with the apostrophe? What do they possess?
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Koopa Kid posted:Very informative but yet again, all I can see is “The Leafs are so hosed” over and over again, maybe worth getting your keyboard checked out Lol
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Mr. Kite posted:Any underlying conditions that could cause a fit 20yo to have a severe case of Covid? Not that I'm aware of but it was pre vaccines and some folks just got unlucky with how badly it hit them. quote:
Nothing more than you would expect from a good prospect with higher end NHL potential. That's a pretty standard progression for a D/D+1 growth and generally what you want to see. Wyatt Johnston went from 30pts in 53 games to 124 in 68. The CHL is very seniority driven (as the 20 year olds will generally not have a career after that) so so much of scoring is opportunity. Good scouts are looking for those players that have talent but aren't getting the ice time. There's also a law of diminishing returns. A guy who goes from 40pts to 80pts is seeing 100% growth. A guy who goes from 80pts to 120pts is seeing just 50% growth but they are 40pts apart in scoring both years. quote:Also, why are the 67's called the "67's" with the apostrophe? What do they possess? No reason that I'm aware of. It's short for 1967s which is when they entered the OHL and Canada's centennial. So it should really be '67s I guess.
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Mr. Kite posted:Any underlying conditions that could cause a fit 20yo to have a severe case of Covid? Rossi had issues with myocarditis from Covid, and the Austrian doctors let him play at the juniors with it which likely exacerbated it. So he took a year to even get close to where he’d been before it, and another few months before showing development again. My theory is he hasn’t put on the muscle mass like he might have without the year off, and just physically wasn’t there yet to play top minutes in the NHL. So instead they played Sam Steel on the top line because he’s physically large enough to play against the top defenders. When he’s come up he’s just been pushed around where he can use his skating to beat guys in the AHL still.
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Nightmare scenario: after failing once more to advance meaningfully past the second round, McDavid demands a trade ....to Chicago.
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McDavid needs to be traded to a winner where he can create his own legacy, the Detroit Red Wings
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AsInHowe posted:McDavid needs to be traded to a winner where he can create his own legacy, the Detroit Red Wings Nah, just go to the Blackhawks
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Run the team back, trade yamamoto and ceci. RIP season ruled that round did not.
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:Run the team back, trade yamamoto and ceci. RIP season ruled that round did not. what will they do with Campbell? fresh slate in the fall do you think?
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Starsfan posted:what will they do with Campbell? fresh slate in the fall do you think? Not much they can do. They have the year to sort it out. Hope Skinner keeps improving and Campbell bounces back. If he stinks you replace him at the deadline since they're finally out of ltir hell and can accrue cap space all season.
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manpurse posted:8 years of nurse at 9.25 start next year Started this year! He's overpaid but also was saddled with Ceci all season who outright fuckin sucked. Nurse away from Ceci was very good.
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