(Thread IKs:
skooma512)
|
vyelkin posted:Doomsday Economics thread, please welcome your new thread IK, Vox Nihili Hope you like miasma!
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 11:37
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 11, 2024 17:46 |
|
|
Zodium posted:willa's right
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 11:45
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/markets/status/1658414516038774788?s=20
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 11:54
|
|
|
VomitOnLino posted:Different garbage movies same behavior. Also Gene Park is repentant after covid took his health and livelihood Gene Park had cancer all along, it wasn’t long Covid
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 11:55
|
|
|
Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:The last house we looked at and were outbid on, the buyer was a late twenties single cash buyer who was getting her second house as an upgrade gift from her parents, who also bought her the starter house How are you getting this info , did you hire a PI or something ?
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 12:00
|
|
|
Commiseration Vox Nihli, may your impending mental break be as bright as a star
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 12:06
|
|
|
Ardennes posted:Also, organizing your workplace/joining a socialist organization is good in all, but honestly, I think you also have to protect yourself to some extent since retaliation is often likely in the US and also I honestly don't really think any Western socialist orgs are really worth it at this point, especially the United States. They seem to be 99% front organizations/libs/social democrats etc. I have been involved a number of organizations that look very progressive on paper. But they seem to generally be run by people who are missing the point in very significant ways. In general they seem to think that voting is the only thing that matters / is the only valid form of political action. Or they are obsessed with building a little empire and getting funding.
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 12:07
|
|
|
vyelkin posted:Doomsday Economics thread, please welcome your new thread IK, Vox Nihili f
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 12:18
|
|
|
vyelkin posted:Doomsday Economics thread, please welcome your new thread IK, Vox Nihili thread title
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 12:18
|
|
|
Actuary X posted:I have been involved a number of organizations that look very progressive on paper. But they seem to generally be run by people who are missing the point in very significant ways. In general they seem to think that voting is the only thing that matters / is the only valid form of political action. Or they are obsessed with building a little empire and getting funding. The liberal disease is pretty much designed to make this poo poo happen, you don't even need COINTELPRO anymore when people act like saboteurs genuinely thinking that's how you affect change, and also every enterprise must be used for self-enrichment. Actually taking any kind of risk is anathema to them.
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 12:20
|
|
|
Actuary X posted:I have been involved a number of organizations that look very progressive on paper. But they seem to generally be run by people who are missing the point in very significant ways. In general they seem to think that voting is the only thing that matters / is the only valid form of political action. Or they are obsessed with building a little empire and getting funding. From experience, they usually follow very specific narratives that lead them down the path of either being totally irrelevant or even reinforcing existing problems. One of them is simply focusing on electoralism, which is very clearly is a dead end. Another is often pretty right-wing on foreign policy, often hewing the Washington line which makes them pretty suspect in general considering a lot of the problem (if not most) is DC itself. Finally, there are a lot of personality issues, small scale cultism, and generally weird behavior. Also, a lot of them take, surprisingly, a very American friendly view of history in general (especially its place in the world), which makes a lot of their message nonsensical. I don't think you can necessarily dwell constantly on the state of the world, as bleak as it is, but there is probably a balance between hardened doomerism and completely tuning out. In all honesty, I probably don't think it is worth it to get involved in day to day politics, unless it is extremely local, at this point because the chance of anything positively changing is just so much smaller than you just getting burned out/depressed. You got to protect your mental health at a certain point.
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 12:25
|
|
|
vyelkin posted:Doomsday Economics thread, please welcome your new thread IK, Vox Nihili Enjoy the poisoned chalice. 😈
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 12:30
|
|
|
You can also help people outside the structure of a party.
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 12:34
|
|
|
euphronius posted:You can also help people outside the structure of a party. Absolutely, and I try to do that. The Democratic party is terrible, just absolute garbage. The Republican party being a hundred times worse doesn't change that.
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 12:40
|
|
|
euphronius posted:You can also help people outside the structure of a party. Yeah, and there is plenty of value of just being a good neighbor/friend even if it isn't as flashy.
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 12:43
|
|
|
ArmZ posted:more like Gay DeBoring
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 12:50
|
|
|
Petrodollar strong as ever in Ukraine https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1658436197360840710
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 12:50
|
|
|
Ardennes posted:From experience, they usually follow very specific narratives that lead them down the path of either being totally irrelevant or even reinforcing existing problems. One of them is simply focusing on electoralism, which is very clearly is a dead end. Another is often pretty right-wing on foreign policy, often hewing the Washington line which makes them pretty suspect in general considering a lot of the problem (if not most) is DC itself. Finally, there are a lot of personality issues, small scale cultism, and generally weird behavior. Also, a lot of them take, surprisingly, a very American friendly view of history in general (especially its place in the world), which makes a lot of their message nonsensical. focusing on foreign policy is the exact same dead end as focusing on electoralism: focusing on symbols and messages. it doesn't actually matter at all what a workers organization's position on foreign policy is, because that's not something they exercise control over either way. organizing your co-workers and helping people who are existentially threatened by capitalism are not the same. the chance you can have a positive effect is 100%, you just have to zoom down from the geopolitical macroscale and focus on material things within your control.
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 12:50
|
|
|
Edit: sorry, replied to a shrike post without reading the poster name first.
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 12:51
|
|
|
webcams for christ posted:Petrodollar strong as ever in Ukraine I honestly wonder what he did to piss off tin-pot dictator zelensky. We know that entire government has been skimming funds from western aid, but why did this dude get got?
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 12:53
|
|
|
webcams for christ posted:Petrodollar strong as ever in Ukraine
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 12:54
|
|
|
Mr Hootington posted:I honestly wonder what he did to piss off tin-pot dictator zelensky. We know that entire government has been skimming funds from western aid, but why did this dude get got? Didn't pass on the boss's cut.
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 12:54
|
|
|
I'm the genius who published that agitprop using a picture of smiling happy young people. They're supposed to use gloomy people with battered coats and hands in their pockets. Recycle some old unrelated winter photos, nobody will know the difference.
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 12:56
|
|
|
Zodium posted:focusing on foreign policy is the exact same dead end as focusing on electoralism: focusing on symbols and messages. it doesn't actually matter at all what a workers organization's position on foreign policy is, because that's not something they exercise control over either way. organizing your co-workers and helping people who are existentially threatened by capitalism are not the same. the chance you can have a positive effect is 100%, you just have to zoom down from the geopolitical macroscale and focus on material things within your control. I would argue it does because it signals how willing its leadership is to actually make waves and if they are just repeating what the US is media is saying, why would they look out for workers? A party or an organization has autonomy over its own messaging. If you are going to do something, do it within the realm of your own control, and that is probably going to be local/personal and outside the realm of electoral/national politics.
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 12:59
|
|
|
DancingShade posted:I'm the genius who published that agitprop using a picture of smiling happy young people. Chile is on the cusp of electing the grandson of an actual nazi as Pinochet 2
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 13:00
|
|
|
Mr Hootington posted:Chile is on the cusp of electing the grandson of an actual nazi as Pinochet 2 Neat. Free helicopter rides for everyone. Was that meant to be a reply to someone else though?
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 13:02
|
|
|
Chile, Argentina, Latin America will know the warmth of Libertarianism
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 13:02
|
|
|
DancingShade posted:Neat. Free helicopter rides for everyone. Was that meant to be a reply to someone else though? No. I was just replying to your reply to the Chile story. Shrike is gloating that "left-wing polices have failed".
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 13:05
|
|
|
generational solidarity with zucc and antipathy to computer touchers whjo are definitely not workers
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 13:12
|
|
|
comedyblissoption posted:antipathy to computer touchers whjo are definitely not workers
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 13:14
|
|
|
I appreciate the advice to unionize but I can absolutely guarantee you I would be shown the door in minutes. My workplace, like a lot of west coast tech outfits, is ultra-liberal in theory but intensely lovely in practice. We regularly donate to minority causes, but I have access to the backend of those transactions and they are all nakedly for-profit in some way or another. We do literally nothing for anyone without some ulterior cause, and frankly I think that's true of 99% of tech companies. Many of my coworkers are insufferably liberal. Yesterday someone told me that they cried during Ted Lasso last week because they were "so inspired by the pro-lgbt messaging" if that gives you any idea of the poo poo I have to deal with on a daily basis. I don't mind Ted Lasso but I ultimately keep up on it so I can act like a good lib during Zoom calls. We have unlimited PTO but it's constantly, and I mean constantly abused. You aren't really supposed to take PTO for much of the year. Infinite PTO is a total trap, but I think most people understand that by now. The only people who can take infinite PTO are the people who are dead confident they are so drat important they will keep their job pulling more than a smattering of PTO. Which creates an intensely unfair dynamic where certain individuals take lots of PTO while most people don't. We also don't extend this policy to hourly employees, even if they are full time and work salary hours in practice. Tech liberals have this incredible cognitive dissonance where they view themselves, often, as pot smoking burning man afficionados when they are actually cut-throat PMC dickheads. I learned this the hard way when I started in tech; you can never, ever imply that these people aren't changing the world for the better or they will throw you in the trash. It's literally my number one rule in tech: never, ever imply that someone who has power over you is anything less than fully virtuous. Don't get me wrong, tech is one of the last places to get a fair wage (though that is quickly diminishing right now). But people just don't really talk about all the ways in which tech workplaces are absurdly toxic and how performative everything is politically if you aren't natively that much of a BS lib. These people are true believers, but without living their beliefs at all, and they can and will melt down if confronted with even a small hint to the contrary because they know it, really deep down. Tech is a completely empty occupation and 99% of tech workers do nothing for anyone and are basically just rentier trash, including myself. It's poison to the soul, but the only alternative is to leave tech and live a much, much more precarious existence and not afford theoretically basic poo poo like healthcare and a house. Good times. Zodium posted:if you sell your labor to live, you are a worker. you don't deserve the guillotine, regardless of what idiots here or elsewhere say, and even if they aren't necessarily existentially threatening, your problems are real. you share them in some form with millions and millions of people, probably including most everyone around you. you're not supposed to get a shittier job on purpose, whatever that means. what job would you even get? there's no job you can get in the imperial core that doesn't facilitate the reproduction of capitalism. assess your resources, like the free time you have available as a tech layabout. use your free time to read marxist books, or hell, the marxism/re-education/organize your workplace threads if the books are a bridge too far, to organize the disjointed events you read into a coherent model instead of an endless cavalcade of horrors you can only passively watch. organize your coworkers. join a socialist organization. use whatever capabilities and knowledge and money you have to find people around you who need help, and help them. wallowing in guilt over your position in a system you had no business establishing and no control in helps no one, and it doesn't matter if you express that guilt with an approach strategy through doomscrolling c-spam or with an avoidance strategy through video games and other distractions. at best it allows the problem to fester, at worst it actively hurts yourself. Thanks man I really appreciate the perspective and you've given me a lot to think about.
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 13:22
|
|
|
Taima posted:I appreciate the advice to unionize but I can absolutely guarantee you I would be shown the door in minutes. My workplace, like a lot of west coast tech outfits, is ultra-liberal in theory but intensely lovely in practice. thats ultimately what liberalism is performance theatrics
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 13:31
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/Sino_Market/status/1658449877104467970?t=OpZfeVNpHsZOv0mAv2GRUg&s=19 https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1658450011816853509?t=OSfeUFZ9FIUQC8yzo0kLXQ&s=19
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 13:34
|
|
|
I’ve seen enough time to cut rates to zero
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 13:36
|
|
|
Wolfers is pessimistic o debt ceiling! https://twitter.com/JustinWolfers/status/1658186736785055766?t=K1AkCF5UQeV77gwBPyxXew&s=19 Harvey https://t.co/paoVZNI3pz Wolff https://youtu.be/SXvlFPA7zlQ
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 13:46
|
|
|
JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:where do they think they are, the united states
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 13:46
|
|
|
Wolfman just playing his part in the play
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 13:47
|
|
|
Taima posted:I appreciate your perspective friend, thank you. You've always been cool. i would be depressed too if i had to move from santa cruz to seattle
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 13:53
|
|
|
Cool NIN Shirt posted:How are you getting this info , did you hire a PI or something ? Selling agent and our buyer's agent are friends. also the selling agent owns the house All of this is probably corrupt as gently caress but that's real estate
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 14:07
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 11, 2024 17:46 |
|
|
Taima volunteering can be very enriching.
|
|
#
?
May 16, 2023 14:07
|
|
