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If I recall it was mainly that they thought he looked better in yellow.
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Eighties ZomCom posted:I do recall watching the first couple of episodes of DS9 on Netflix and they looked like they were taken off a VHS tape. The quality improves later on. Yeah we've discussed it ad nauseam but for the benefit of the newbie, rest assured that it does start to look better eventually, even though I wish it were HD or 4K. The first seasons' transfers are pretty rough, but later on it stops looking distractingly bad.
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MikeJF posted:If I recall it was mainly that they thought he looked better in yellow. yah, I thought the film test really didn't work with him in blue.
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Angry Salami posted:You'd think that, if Sisko's mission was to bring Bajor into the Federation, he'd at least get a diplomat or something. But it seems the Federation's negotiation strategy was to hang around in orbit and just hope the Bajorans would sign up. Hell you think they would at least ensure the stations shields and guns were working. Or park a couple ships in orbit to discourage the hostile military power on the other side of the border. Or ensure that the computers were really wiped with no Cardassian backdoors.
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Keep in that there were a lot of Bajorans paranoid about the Federation becoming another occupying force. Parking ships there at the start would've made things much worse. The Enterprise was allowed to come in, drop off a bunch of supplies and aid, and gently caress off. Needing to get DS9 into shape is probably one reason they chose Sisko. He was a shipbuilder for a long time. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 15:51 on May 17, 2023 |
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May 17, 2023 15:48
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Also I don't think bajore was really that critical to the federation. Obviously they would like to have them as members, but having them be an allied or associate power would also work just fine.
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May 17, 2023 15:51
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Yeah, pre-Wormhole it's basically a station above a Planet of the Week from TNG
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May 17, 2023 15:56
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Yes before they discovered the wormhole, it's implied that the only reason the Federation is there is because Picard talked them into it.
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What, you don't think an agrarian society of religious fanatic terrorists is a good fit for the Federation?
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Eighties ZomCom posted:Yes before they discovered the wormhole, it's implied that the only reason the Federation is there is because Picard talked them into it. Sisko's first log explicitly says that Starfleet is there at the request of the Bajoran provisional government.
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May 17, 2023 16:04
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And the Federation accepted because of Picard's experience with Bajor.
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Also, once the wormhole was discovered, if Sisko hadn't been declared the Emissary, they would have put a much more seasoned Captain in charge.
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swickles posted:Also, once the wormhole was discovered, if Sisko hadn't been declared the Emissary, they would have put a much more seasoned Captain in charge. Seems like those goofy wormhole gods really knew what they were doing! (they really didn't)
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swickles posted:Also, once the wormhole was discovered, if Sisko hadn't been declared the Emissary, they would have put a much more seasoned Captain in charge. He was on the way out the door himself, seems like this was a punitive assignment though I'm not sure what Sisko did to earn it.
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Also you'd think they would be better off not annoying the locals by calling their system "Deep Space" anything. Bajor Station is probably better than that! Plus one would think the "DS" moniker was for stations not even orbiting anything but like just randomly in the middle of... I don't know, deep space?
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No, no minister, it stands for "Dope Station". Because it's cool.
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jeeves posted:Plus one would think the "DS" moniker was for stations not even orbiting anything but like just randomly in the middle of... I don't know, deep space? Any space can be deep if you smoke enough pot.
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zoux posted:He was on the way out the door himself, seems like this was a punitive assignment though I'm not sure what Sisko did to earn it. Starfleet HR saw the guy whose wife got slaughtered by the Borg designing a Borg-killing ship and decided to move him along before he went postal
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skasion posted:Starfleet HR saw the guy whose wife got slaughtered by the Borg designing a Borg-killing ship and decided to move him along before he went postal lol
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zoux posted:He was on the way out the door himself, seems like this was a punitive assignment though I'm not sure what Sisko did to earn it. I think Sisko was just still at sea with the loss of his wife and single daddin' it. I don't think the assignment was punitive, just a difficult administrative one whereas ship designer probably requires a bit of passion while Sisko seemed burnt out.
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jeeves posted:Also you'd think they would be better off not annoying the locals by calling their system "Deep Space" anything. Bajor Station is probably better than that! Deep Space means on or beyond Federation borders.
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MikeJF posted:Deep Space means on or beyond Federation borders. "Hey guys, let's try to get Bajor eventually into the Federation! What should we call the new station that we will help them manage?" "Podunk Place 9" "...What?" "Whywouldanyonelivehere 9" "Wait, what?" "Whogivesashitville 9" "...We have 9 other of all three?"
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BFE 9
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zoux posted:BFE 9 Battle Field Earth 9?
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MikeJF posted:Deep Space means on or beyond Federation borders. That's probably fair enough, though I do really like how Kira gives Bashir crap about his whole "Frontier Medicine!" schtick in one of those early episodes.
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I thought the only thing that looked a bit off in the first few episodes of DS9 that I've seen was a couple shots of view screens and windows that were composited, probably just spoiled by the TNG recompositing.
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Boxturret posted:I thought the only thing that looked a bit off in the first few episodes of DS9 that I've seen was a couple shots of view screens and windows that were composited, probably just spoiled by the TNG recompositing. There’s a few in Emissary that look very shaky now (DS9 approach and Wolf 359 in Jennifer’s quarters come to mind), but I remember in ‘93 them being pretty “woah” compared to the static view screen shots of TNG, at least to me and my parents.
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Emissary might as well be "Ozymandias" when compared to Farpoint. I think it's probably the best pilot of the 4 series.
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zoux posted:Emissary might as well be "Ozymandias" when compared to Farpoint. I think it's probably the best pilot of the 4 series. Easily, though Where No Man Has Gone Before is probably the best of TOS' three pilots (The Cage, Where No Man and The Man Trap).
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I think for the most part, the Federation was mostly being nice to Bajor by taking control of Deep Space 9, like what Kirk was trying to offer the Organians if they hadn't rejected him. Bajor gets a big friend to call when it's in trouble and to give it material aid, Starfleet gets a nice used space station and naval base, and the Federation gets to spread its influence, both having Bajor as a prospective future federation member and as a platform to deal with future Cardassian conflict/friendship. I'm not sure how well that would've worked out if the commander Starfleet sent wasn't hailed as the messiah or just didn't gel with Bajor.
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Mooseontheloose posted:yah, I thought the film test really didn't work with him in blue. Didn't they also try hot pink or something similarly crazy for Data before settling to the yellow? MikeJF posted:If I recall it was mainly that they thought he looked better in yellow. ...And it does not hurt that the makeup stains from hands and such don't show up that much on yellow uniform.
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What do we know about the other Deep Space stations, how many are converted facilities, how many did starfleet build from scratch, what's going on at Starbase 80
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zoux posted:What do we know about the other Deep Space stations, how many are converted facilities, how many did starfleet build from scratch, what's going on at Starbase 80 At least one of them was staffed by a single officer who didn't have the mental sophistication necessary to realize that a bunch of children probably did not orchestrate a complex attack on his station.
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A.o.D. posted:At least one of them was staffed by a single officer who didn't have the mental sophistication necessary to realize that a bunch of children probably did not orchestrate a complex attack on his station. This is star trek, you can't rule anything out.
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That was just a subspace relay station.
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Tunicate posted:This is star trek, you can't rule anything out. https://i.imgur.com/Fdycyms.mp4
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Angry Salami posted:You'd think that, if Sisko's mission was to bring Bajor into the Federation, he'd at least get a diplomat or something. But it seems the Federation's negotiation strategy was to hang around in orbit and just hope the Bajorans would sign up. Starfleet command staff are basically expected to be diplomats which is, uh, weird, but not having a dedicated one tracks with the rest of the shows. Captains do tons of diplomacy, admirals show up for the important (and evil) stuff. Presumably there are civilian diplomats who come in later to hash out the details, but the shows constantly imply that Federation captains are running around making big diplomatic decisions with only guidance from higher-ups.
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zoux posted:What, you don't think an agrarian society of religious fanatic terrorists is a good fit for the Federation? But yeah if no wormhole: sleepy backwater post. If no emissary: they probably put someone else in charge and get disinvited a few months later. Eventual Dominion victory. Nessus fucked around with this message at 19:53 on May 17, 2023 |
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Paradoxish posted:but the shows constantly imply that Federation captains are running around making big diplomatic decisions with only guidance from higher-ups. Well, that came from TOS when they seemed to operate at a much greater distance and where even messages took a while, they were on their own. And also because of the heavy inspiration from Horatio Hornblower, where you had these captains representing their home nations on the other side of the world a many months journey away but having to make choices that could drag them into war.
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Paradoxish posted:Starfleet command staff are basically expected to be diplomats which is, uh, weird, but not having a dedicated one tracks with the rest of the shows. Captains do tons of diplomacy, admirals show up for the important (and evil) stuff. Presumably there are civilian diplomats who come in later to hash out the details, but the shows constantly imply that Federation captains are running around making big diplomatic decisions with only guidance from higher-ups. It is understandable that the first contact ships are stuff like Galaxy which in addition of being a floating city is basically a huge battleship/mobile starbase in case they run into some local cluster Space Russia that only respects the "you really do not want to gently caress with us"-approach. The larger ships can also sustain themselves on longer cruises to establish main routes of expansion and exploration and then the second wave fleet comes in later. Why the captain is also the first contact expert well, that's Star Trek. And starfleet before first contact with the Borg wasn't really a military beyond some security elements that were cut from the ST6. The fleet operations stuff became prominent when the Dominion war happened, before that it was random skirmishes with Klingon and Romulan mostly on ship-to-ship basis.
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