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I've only just finished the main story of HW and while I think HW is a better story than ARR the larger distinction, for me, was how the story is conveyed. It's much better paced, the occasional narration lends it the feel of a fantasy epic, and story sequences have more motion to them. It's still limited by its MMO format but those limitations feel less significant on the whole.
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https://twitter.com/mitsurugi137/status/1658872473499365376?s=20 psychos. wtf
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I feel like having the summoner and red mage healing and resurrecting everyone isn't in the spirit of a no healers run.
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May 17, 2023 19:37
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its no healers, not no heals no healing at all would make it kind of impossible
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ConanThe3rd posted:I know it's not an original thought, and I have no idea about the numbers involved, but they really need to rebalance ARR / its postgame to be part of the overall Main Storyline Questline better. The difficult part is what to cut. It's slow, it's plodding, but it's also meat. They already cut most of the pointless busywork that didn't have story attached to it (endless prep for leaving the Waking Sands for example where all you lose is people saying "moving is tough"). We can look back and say "this bit was a runaround for no main plot progress" but there was other worldbuilding going on there. If you cut Company of Heroes you also cut Brayflox and the idea that people have fought primals and it hurt the strongest of them enough they try to discourage anyone else from dying and throw a feast in their honor. If you cut "oh no that's the wrong crystal" you also lose Pharos Sirius and the grim punchline to a joke told in 1.0. ARR is a bunch of little stories all over Eorzea that eventually come together into the main plotline. I think if it was being written fresh with some magical hindsight it could be tighter and better, but I don't think you can edit it much more than it already is without a complete rewrite.
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also means no healer LB3 which means they gotta do some whacky poo poo to get around that it looks like.
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May 17, 2023 19:48
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They could put an aetheryte in Vesper Bay, that'd make ARR less plodding
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Kerrzhe posted:also means no healer LB3 which means they gotta do some whacky poo poo to get around that it looks like. Everyone having weakness and no resources means it's still a last second clear though. iPodschun fucked around with this message at 19:58 on May 17, 2023 |
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Bruceski posted:If you cut "oh no that's the wrong crystal" you also lose Pharos Sirius and the grim punchline to a joke told in 1.0. What's the joke? Also, man, PS Normal remains one of the worst dungeons in the game. It's one of the ones I load into and just expect a couple of wipes, right next to the goddamn Mist Dragon in the Burn.
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I get that. Conversely having to grind to fifty for ARR (2.0's) endgame and then being twenty levels down for Hw's classes is a frustrating thing.
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Mr. Neutron posted:Comments like this are exactly why I want to keep going. We go through this every single time somebody starts going through ARR, and the usual talking points have already been brought up. However I would like to add that despite 10 years of moaning from the player base, there is a reason the length of the ARR main story questline has not decreased that much and in some instances has grown (The Crystal Tower Alliance Raid questline was originally optional, but it is now mandatory, if you haven't done it yet you should probably get on that when you have the chance before the game stops you and makes you do it.). It is the foundation upon which the house that is the FFXIV story rests on. Sure it is somewhat boring and predicable, but without it the rest of the house collapses on itself.
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May 17, 2023 20:04
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Antivehicular posted:What's the joke? In the 1.0 ... blacksmith questline I think, you were dealing with sailors disappearing and worries that Siren had shown up. You get there and it's a massive secret rave. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4kQeZNsnL0&t=664s (the lead-up quests were making earplugs, which is why the sound is odd) Go back in ARR and surprise! It's actually Siren and everyone's dead!
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I don't remember what the Trial in 2.5 was. I didn't like Endwalker, but loved Shadowbringers. Heavenward and Stormblood weren't bad (HW was better than StB). Basically, everyone will have different opinions about the best expansion. They're all good in their own way, though, even Endwalker.
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Kheldarn posted:I don't remember what the Trial in 2.5 was. No one does
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Kheldarn posted:I don't remember what the Trial in 2.5 was. Chrysalis, there's a hint that doesn't spoil anything and might jar memories. If not: Nabriales
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quiggy posted:They could put an aetheryte in Vesper Bay, that'd make ARR less plodding It is just an 80 gil boat ride from Limsa lower decks, but tbf it took me a little while to internalize that
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May 17, 2023 20:54
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You also get a stack of Vesper Bay teleport tickets which I think is enough to cover all the MSQ-required trips to the place before you unlock flying.
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FuturePastNow posted:You also get a stack of Vesper Bay teleport tickets which I think is enough to cover all the MSQ-required trips to the place before you unlock flying. Yeah I recorded a count when I replayed the MSQ on an alt, you get more than enough tickets
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Bruceski posted:Chrysalis, there's a hint that doesn't spoil anything and might jar memories. Nope. Still don't remember.
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Arist posted:FFXIV is a marathon. I know a guy who got all the way to Shadowbringers in a month or two of playing, started the expansion, and went "I don't really get what the buzz is about so far" at around 1/3 through and I had to tell him it was a slow build. shadowbringers ftw lmao
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May 17, 2023 21:02
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Is there an in-game story explanation for getting those tickets lol
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If there was I missed it. But at that point in the game I was skimming the dialogue if it wasn't an obviously important cutscene.
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Ojjeorago posted:I feel like having the summoner and red mage healing and resurrecting everyone isn't in the spirit of a no healers run. SMN "healing" is entirely incidental due to it coming out during the phoenix phase. The RDM did cast quite a few Vercures, but the DNC did more actual healing than the SMN and RDM combined. If you look at "Healing Done By Source" on fflogs the SMN and RDM are #6 and #7 in that group, only above the monk. Granted "healing" also includes mitigation, but both PLDs have far more healing done with Clemency than either the SMN or the RDM. I do enjoy the reddit posters, that have clearly never stepped foot into savage, complaining about how healers need to GCD heal and because it isn't require that this is bad game design.
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Zomborgon posted:Yeah I recorded a count when I replayed the MSQ on an alt, you get more than enough tickets I love these because they reward people who actually read tooltips and item descriptions.
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Theris posted:I love these because they reward people who actually read tooltips and item descriptions. That one quest with a key item description like "this is a stick. Why did you pick this up?"
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i never got any tickets. back in my day we ran down that railroad track from Horizon! on foot!! 
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Why would you go to Horizon? Vesper Bay is in Limsa Lominsa.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Is there an in-game story explanation for getting those tickets lol Yeah Tartaru grabs you by the scruff of the neck and growls "Don't ask too many questions newbie"
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Any new player who found ARR to be a grueling slog should pick up DRK the moment they rock up in Ishgard for some much-needed catharsis.
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Ojjeorago posted:Why would you go to Horizon? Vesper Bay is in Limsa Lominsa. because i didn't know this until stormblood!!!!!!!!
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Bruceski posted:The difficult part is what to cut. It's slow, it's plodding, but it's also meat. They already cut most of the pointless busywork that didn't have story attached to it (endless prep for leaving the Waking Sands for example where all you lose is people saying "moving is tough"). We can look back and say "this bit was a runaround for no main plot progress" but there was other worldbuilding going on there. If you cut Company of Heroes you also cut Brayflox and the idea that people have fought primals and it hurt the strongest of them enough they try to discourage anyone else from dying and throw a feast in their honor. If you cut "oh no that's the wrong crystal" you also lose Pharos Sirius and the grim punchline to a joke told in 1.0. They don't need to cut any whole quests, but a great way to cut a few steps would be if Minfilia had e-mail. Honestly there's still quests all the way into Endwalker that could use some serious step reduction. One of the Reaper story quests was literally "Talk to Drusila" in four different locations in a row, no fights, not even clicking on an object. Just meet Drusila here, here, here, and back at the first here again. theironjef fucked around with this message at 22:11 on May 17, 2023 |
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Ojjeorago posted:Why would you go to Horizon? Vesper Bay is in Limsa Lominsa. it depends on your load times as to which is faster. loading into the limsa plaza can be slow on bad hardware.
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Ojjeorago posted:Why would you go to Horizon? Vesper Bay is in Limsa Lominsa. Depends on load times. Some of us don't have SSDs.
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Hell, Limsa can be slow to load even on an SSD at times. Especially if you're using texture mods.
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Bloody Pom posted:Hell, Limsa can be slow to load even on an SSD at times. Especially if you're using texture mods. "Textures"
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theironjef posted:They don't need to cut any whole quests, but a great way to cut a few steps would be if Minfilia had e-mail. Given that linkshells exist in-fiction I really don't understand why there are so many times, especially in ARR, that you have to travel somewhere for a brief one-on-one conversation.
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quiggy posted:Given that linkshells exist in-fiction I really don't understand why there are so many times, especially in ARR, that you have to travel somewhere for a brief one-on-one conversation. It's not secure communication. Garleans for example can and do listen in.
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Mainwaring posted:"Textures" It's just hair and face textures, honest. I got sick of my head being a pixelated mess  Yes my monitor is turned on.
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mikemil828 posted:It's not secure communication. Garleans for example can and do listen in. Huh, I must've missed that. Neat!
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mikemil828 posted:It's not secure communication. Garleans for example can and do listen in. Hell, aren't there multiple instances of the Garleans actively jamming linkpearl communications? Purposefully even!
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