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SlothfulCobra posted:In the modern day, yes. In the 1500s-1800s, no. It was fairly common for ship captains to end up carrying the weight of their nation's authority far, far away from the motherland. And see before about the original pitch for Star Trek literally describing its hero (Captain Robert April of the USS Yorktown, back then) as a 'Space-age Captain Horatio Hornblower'. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 17:48 on May 18, 2023 |
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Eimi posted:Hell you think they would at least ensure the stations shields and guns were working. Or park a couple ships in orbit to discourage the hostile military power on the other side of the border. Or ensure that the computers were really wiped with no Cardassian backdoors. There's no way it would have ever worked in a TV show's budget, but I think it would have been super-neat for the station to slowly start to look like a Federation station over time. Especially as damage was repaired. Wall panels are repainted light gray instead of "vaguely rusty," corridors get more lights, the round monitors are replaced with rectangles, and LCARS replaced the Cardassian Linux or whatever it is.
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Yeah, stuff like, there's that episode where a whole pylon gets blasted off, it would've been neat if it was replaced with a Federation-styled pylon arc. Have the power plants hanging under the station get replaced with Federation power plans, have some standalone Fed consoles installed in Ops. If it was done today it'd be relatively easy to do the exterior stuff. Hell, it would've been neat if at one point the Bajorans just did up the station aesthetically, to put their own claim on this tacky Cardiassian fascist eyesore. Spray paint a big Bajoran logo on the side of it. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 18:30 on May 18, 2023 |
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May 18, 2023 18:25
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It could have been interesting in that the bajorans clearly had some hangups about just getting consumed into the federation and losing their cultural identity, and having the cardassian station become a federation station in looks as well as fact could have been part of that as an over plot thing. I would have prefered to see it replaced with bajoran stuff because Sisko was all pretty dialed into wanting to actually assist the bajorans into coming into their own.
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If we ever do revisit DS9 decades down the line, it would be neat if it was now two circles connected alongside each other, one the old station and one a classic Federation saucer-station design, mirroring and complimenting the shape but of Federation architecture. Don't demolish the old, but pair it with a new. Or even a Bajoran segment instead.
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I mean...we did revisit DS9. We even admired the pylons.
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CainFortea posted:I mean...we did revisit DS9. We even admired the pylons. Yeah, I meant enough time that things will have developed a lot and the station may have expanded.
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May 18, 2023 18:34
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We never really got a good sense of what Bajoran architecture/technology aesthetics were like, beyond ovals and earth tones and adobe walls, and I think that was a missed opportunity
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Kira: finally, we'll make this station look like home. *scatters broken pottery and scorched earth on the promenade*
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I always felt like they didn't really make Bajoran and Cardassian styles distinct enough. Yes, bajorans are smooth and Cardassians are jaggy, but they both have lots of ovals and arcs and they're both all about the earth tones in their ships and buildings.
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"Earth tones." The very name is racist!
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It's weird watching the Bajoran and Trill episodes of TNG. With the Bajora, it's mostly just name changes but the Trill are top to bottom different. DS9 makes a huge theme out of the mix between host and symbiote, in TNG, the trill symbiote is the being and completely takes over the host's personality. Also it's only 4 years between "The Host" and "Rejoined" and it's a completely different take on the homosexual themes. When Odan's new lady host walks in and you see it's a woman, the way it's shot and blocked make it clear that the relationship is over. They kind of get around direct homophobia by having Beverly say "I don't know maybe there's a chance" and put her reticence down to the fact that a person might constantly change host, and not specifically gender, isn't something she can hang with but the subtext is pretty clear. In Rejoined the only issue are Trill cultural taboos about loving your ex.
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The speed at which attitudes shifted in the 1990s was pretty amazing. (But also DS9 weren't cowards)
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It does help that DS9 has homosexual subtext from the first episode, and also Jadzia is kinda morally grey in a Star Trek context, insofar as she actually had a characterization.
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BonHair posted:It does help that DS9 has homosexual subtext from the first episode, and also Jadzia is kinda morally grey in a Star Trek context, insofar as she actually had a characterization. Sisko and Picard are just friends
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MikeJF posted:Even if you don't want them to outrank the captain, you still could've had a diplomatic specialist character. Troi might've been better conceptualised as a sociologist and diplomat who's there on the bridge to comprehend aliens and also formally assist the captain as a diplomatic attache, with a deeper training in acting on the Federation's behalf. (Consuler Troi?) Troi should of been a Protocol Officer and just combine the diplomatic and military officer duties.
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BonHair posted:It does help that DS9 has homosexual subtext from the first episode, Pagh is just Bajoran for gayness
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Could Odo make two heads and have them make out with himself?
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Khanstant posted:Could Odo make two heads and have them make out with himself? He could not, his self loathing is too powerful
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if odo sucked himself off would that be an odoboros
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Put on Civil Defense again on a whim, for that amazing scene where Dukat fucks himself and is trapped there with the crew. His "THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!" makes the entire episode. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocA01hN21Ak ...However its freaking weird how the episode ends on Quark and Odo walking off. No followup on Dukat eating a bunch of poo poo in front of the crew, etc. It's weird, as if they forgot to film that scene so they did the Quark and Odo poo poo as padding for the story. jeeves fucked around with this message at 23:08 on May 18, 2023 |
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Arivia posted:if odo sucked himself off would that be an odoboros Walking in on Odo looking an awful lot like a Klein bottle.
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Just look at all those changelings in their "great link." Who do they think they're fooling
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Delsaber posted:Just look at all those changelings in their "great link." Who do they think they're fooling The Great Link being the galaxy's single largest unending circle jerk makes SO MUCH sense...
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More like "the Great Kink" Changelling orgy.
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loving liquids!
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https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Trek:_Deep_Space_Nine_Collectionquote:Disc Two – Jay Chattaway
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MikeJF posted:If we ever do revisit DS9 decades down the line, it would be neat if it was now two circles connected alongside each other, one the old station and one a classic Federation saucer-station design, mirroring and complimenting the shape but of Federation architecture. Don't demolish the old, but pair it with a new. With how they've brought previously secondary material things into canon lately, it wouldn't be super surprising if they ever implemented the Probert designed DS9-II from the old EU 
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Seemlar posted:With how they've brought previously secondary material things into canon lately, it wouldn't be super surprising if they ever implemented the Probert designed DS9-II from the old EU holy gently caress that's ugly for a probert joint. They probably won't ever use it because it's ugly and I read somewhere that he's a chud now
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Yeah it’s hideous and I’ve always hated it. Especially how it’s just a lazy update of the station concept from Far Beyond the Stars.
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That facility is clearly holding exactly one Puppeteer and not with a great deal of space, either. Go home, Probert!
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It makes no sense, the whole reason for the pylons was for docking ships, this is just rings that dont do anything.
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The good thing about no one giving a poo poo about DS9 and its apocryphal lore inside of Modern Trek production central is that we'll never be forced to endure the canonization of its shittiest ship/station designs like Probert's DS9-2, the USS Aventine, and the USS Emmett Till.
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Seemlar posted:With how they've brought previously secondary material things into canon lately, it wouldn't be super surprising if they ever implemented the Probert designed DS9-II from the old EU That is so goddamn ugly. Holy poo poo.
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nine-gear crow posted:The good thing about no one giving a poo poo about DS9 and its apocryphal lore inside of Modern Trek production central is that we'll never be forced to endure the canonization of its shittiest ship/station designs like Probert's DS9-2, the USS Aventine, and the USS Emmett Till. If I remember right, the Emmett Till got used as the profile for the USS Ibn Majid? So that one kinda slipped in, just barely Aventine was such a weird one in a "this is unusual but I get what it's going for" way, sometimes I'll see it and think maybe it's not so bad then catch one of it's other angles and do an immediate 180 back to no thanks
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The DS9 "season 8" books were fairly good up up through Unity, then they did 3 years of short stories and I gave up following it. I wouldn't want it as an official season but it was fun for what it was.
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Seemlar posted:With how they've brought previously secondary material things into canon lately, it wouldn't be super surprising if they ever implemented the Probert designed DS9-II from the old EU Yeah no, that sucks. I don't know why if they were going to do a Federation echo of DS9 they didn't play with the fact that a saucer and the rings have similar shapes and do a saucer-stack that resembles DS9 in profile, something like (2 minute kitbash): 
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This looks like something out of the old Escape Velocity games, painstakingly rendered in Bryce3D over several hours on a blueberry G3 iMac
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MikeJF posted:Yeah no, that sucks. There’s a comment from Probert on the linked page that explains it: he didn’t actually get to design that version of DS9 but was instead hired to model what the writers put down as a description in the novel. So he was saddled with the central structure connecting to the pylons, the big park window, that kind of stuff, and tried to make it not suck. It’s the kind of design that would have been tossed out if someone actually did studies and prototyped models, but it probably sounded great in written word.
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