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sandorius posted:Character levels first (there is supposedly some kind of damage penalty for under-leveled characters?), then light cones. Save trace farming for Equilibrium 4, they start dropping purples then. The one caveat to this is that if you're seriously behind on your traces, getting purple trace mats is actually undesirable in the short term because while you can upgrade lower quality trace mats to higher ones, you can't break higher ones down to lower ones. You'll eventually need a ton of the purple ones, of course, but the purple ones are useless until you've cleared out the blue requirements.
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Also you can't totally neglect your relics. You don't need perfect 5* relics right away but just filling in some +9ish 4*s with a good main stat will go a long way
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heavy liquid posted:I'm running low on resources trying to build up two teams. 4-5* relics: Don't focus on sets or substats, just main stats. Character levels. Traces that actually affect damage in a meaningful way. Lightcones. Other traces.
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May 19, 2023 12:52
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Pretty sure Lightcone stats get multiplied by relics and other percentage modifiers so they're pretty important.
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May 19, 2023 12:56
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Yeah, AFAIK all % stat modifiers on relics work off your character's base stats + their light cone stats, so a neglected light cone is dragging down the efficiency of all of your relics.
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May 19, 2023 12:59
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My Silver Wolf game plan is to wait until a Quantum Abundance character is released then go mono-Quantum because it'll be really funny.
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May 19, 2023 13:00
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I wouldn't go farming lightcone xp simply because you get enough to keep everyone within 10 levels of cap without needing to spend fuel farming it, at least as far as I've seen. But it's definitely worth farming enough trace materials to actually ascend your lightcones and be able to level them up that far.
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May 19, 2023 13:01
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Endorph posted:IMO in order of impact Oh! Wow, okay thanks. I'll focus a bit more on relics, but not go too crazy. Just to get decent main stats at least, and not level them up too far, probably. Jabor posted:I wouldn't go farming lightcone xp simply because you get enough to keep everyone within 10 levels of cap without needing to spend fuel farming it, at least as far as I've seen. Okay, thanks. I do have a few characters with light cones that need to be ascended. digital penitence fucked around with this message at 13:04 on May 19, 2023 |
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May 19, 2023 13:02
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Ibblebibble posted:My Silver Wolf game plan is to wait until a Quantum Abundance character is released then go mono-Quantum because it'll be really funny. Isn't Fu Xuan supposed to be quantum Preservation? Seems like that should be close enough.
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May 19, 2023 13:09
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Leaked kits are obviously subject to change, but Fu Xuan doesn't look like a Gepard or March style preservation character; the leaked kit has her applying a general % damage reduction buff to the party, then personally soaking a percentage of the remaining damage taken by allies(and increasing her own max HP by doing so) rather than completely mitigating damage with shields, which might not fly healerless depending on what the values end up being. The tradeoff is that she gets some kind of damage buff based on how much HP she's missing like a destruction character. Really cool/interesting kit but I have no idea how it's going to play out.
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May 19, 2023 13:16
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Kanos posted:Leaked kits are obviously subject to change, but Fu Xuan doesn't look like a Gepard or March style preservation character; the leaked kit has her applying a general % damage reduction buff to the party, then personally soaking a percentage of the remaining damage taken by allies(and increasing her own max HP by doing so) rather than completely mitigating damage with shields, which might not fly healerless depending on what the values end up being. The tradeoff is that she gets some kind of damage buff based on how much HP she's missing like a destruction character.
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Kanos posted:Leaked kits are obviously subject to change, but Fu Xuan doesn't look like a Gepard or March style preservation character; the leaked kit has her applying a general % damage reduction buff to the party, then personally soaking a percentage of the remaining damage taken by allies(and increasing her own max HP by doing so) rather than completely mitigating damage with shields, which might not fly healerless depending on what the values end up being. The tradeoff is that she gets some kind of damage buff based on how much HP she's missing like a destruction character. I guess she might like that Preservation lightcone in Herta's shop?
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Endorph posted:she has a self heal in her kit, extremely important note She does, but it only triggers once per battle, so great for speedruns but not going to save you in, say, a sloggy SU final boss fight.
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Kanos posted:She does, but it only triggers once per battle, so great for speedruns but not going to save you in, say, a sloggy SU final boss fight. Hard to be sloggy when the team has 3 damage dealers, including Seele.
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Well, sloggy insofar as I'm assuming we're going to be looking at the final SU difficulties being 10 levels above everyone at cap, which is going to be a lot of loving HP to punch through since all the SU final bosses are 3 phases and usually include adds.
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Ibblebibble posted:My Silver Wolf game plan is to wait until a Quantum Abundance character is released then go mono-Quantum because it'll be really funny. I think this is leaked as the younger Landau sister, Lynx. 4*. The kit leak is a bit good too.
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heavy liquid posted:Oh! Wow, okay thanks. I'll focus a bit more on relics, but not go too crazy. Just to get decent main stats at least, and not level them up too far, probably. Yes get main stats but ffs don't bother with getting 5* relics over 4* relics. The RNG is stupid, especially on the SU relics. It's so much less effective than getting 10 levels on your character and cone it isn't even funny. I still have a blue chest piece and rope on March after farming the HELL out of the defense 5* set and the SU Belobog set. Don't forget there is a malus to being lower level than the boss, too. Here's me with one character levelled up clearing World 6-2.  I lost JY during Coco's first phase also, he just barely ate it, that wouldn't have happened if he had been 70.
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I think the only category where 5* relics really feel mandatory compared to 4*s are speed boots, because 5* speed boots will singlehandedly push a 100 speed character to 120(and thus activate their rope/orb set) whereas 4* speed boots will not without the help of speed substats on other items or a speed set bonus.
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I don't think activating 12% ATK on a set you might not have is mandatory, tbh.
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So has it been said anywhere what the plan is for Simulated Universe going forward? Is it supposed to rotate by version like Spiral Abyss in Genshin or will they be adding new levels to it that just get incrementally more difficult as things go on and require a bit of a perpetual grind? I feel like there's pros and cons to either sort of approach honestly. I mean Genshin approach sort of has a grind creep to it, but it's pretty slow and subtle with how the enemy types and mixes have nudged the HP up by like 5% or so increments at at time.
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I don't think there's any expectation that it will rotate? Seems to me like they'd just keep adding new worlds to accommodate new relic sets and new boss fights. They're more comparable to domains in Genshin than the Abyss. The Memory thing is the Abyss, even if it's less interesting.
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Simulated Universe will get new worlds and such as the patches go on, presumably. The mirror stuff is the rotating thing.
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They'll probably have to change the UI at some point though. Switching back and forth between Worlds 3 and 6 is already pretty clunky, so imagine when it gets to like 12.
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Clarste posted:I don't think activating 12% ATK on a set you might not have is mandatory, tbh. Mandatory in that I don't know if 4* speed boots are even really worth the effort on someone slow as hell like Bailu or Fire MC because they're only getting you to like 112 speed or something which isn't really giving you big returns, rather than "get 5* speed boots or delete your account" mandatory. That said, hitting 120 speed is pretty great if you can do it on everyone, especially if you're running the HP% set that gives 8% ATK to the party on all your supports. Having that on 3 people is like having a mini-Asta in your pocket.
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Clarste posted:I don't think there's any expectation that it will rotate? Seems to me like they'd just keep adding new worlds to accommodate new relic sets and new boss fights. They're more comparable to domains in Genshin than the Abyss.
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How dare you use facts and logic to imply that we won't have a punch healer.
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the real SPD breakpoint is getting more actions per turn, not triggering relics
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Clarste posted:Or I guess maybe Dan Heng is good enough, but his talent giving him a bonus for being buffed makes me feel like he's a little undersupported. You don't have Tingyun, for example, or any other leveled Harmony characters. For what it's worth, that's solely for being targeted by a positive party effect. Nat's heals or M7's shields activate it too, for example.
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Kyrosiris posted:For what it's worth, that's solely for being targeted by a positive party effect. Nat's heals or M7's shields activate it too, for example. Healing to activate it strikes me as an odd use of skill points, but I didn't realize it was activated by AOE effects too.
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Excelzior posted:the real SPD breakpoint is getting more actions per turn, not triggering relics To hit meaningful speed breakpoints for a meaningful amount of bonus turns you're going to need 5* boots anyway(unless your name is Seele or Tingyun), since the first really good speed breakpoint is 134 if I remember the nerdy theorycraft properly.
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Just use Asta and get +40 speed on everyone, problem solved.
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Man, I can't wait until my main teams are done so I can afford to build Asta as a side project to launch mono fire super speed squadron and vaporize some specific bosses.
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shrach posted:I think this is leaked as the younger Landau sister, Lynx. 4*. The kit leak is a bit good too. I've seen enough leaks to know that she is that yeah  I was acting a bit dumb because I was lazy to use the spoiler tag on mobile. Apparently there's a Quantum 5* far down the line whose ult can restore skill points so I might try some crazy Qingque/Lynx/Silver Wolf/that 5* once they're out. Should be pretty funny.
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the real mat gate is relic exp. so much relic exp needed yet hardwalled with just feeding lower relics into other relics
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i am beginning to think that making the relic runs faster (in that there's no walking) doesn't actually make the relic grind any better. couple hundred space resin and virtually nothing to show for it.
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Clarste posted:Pretty sure Lightcone stats get multiplied by relics and other percentage modifiers so they're pretty important. I was wondering if that is actually more important than 5* characters, if you are more focused on damage vs getting cool new characters. There is such a damage disparity between many 5* and 4* cones that I would not be surprised if a 4* character with a 5* cone out-damages the inverse, though I have not done any math to know if this is true. Plus they can be moved to new characters, so they are not instantly obsolete if you get someone better of the same class, depending on the effect. For a few of my classes I am not even sure if I have a 4*. Kind of wish this banner had better 4*s or maybe I would give it a shot. Pain of Mind fucked around with this message at 15:50 on May 19, 2023 |
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I ran a relic dungeon a few times yesterday and got orange speed boots for fire MC, then an orange cdmg chest for Bronya. Then ran an SU and got an orange def orb for fire MC. Everyone else has correct (or close) mainstats in purple so I'm probably just going to wait to farm more relics until I hit a wall in progress. I still have a million traces to unlock, plus stocking up on mats for the next ascension down the line.
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My Genshin team was garbage and my relic farming runs weren't even successful every time so the fact that I can actually succeed in HSR and it only takes 20 seconds is a huge step up, even if I still get trash
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Pain of Mind posted:I was wondering if that is actually more important than 5* characters, if you are more focused on damage vs getting cool new characters. There is such a damage disparity between many 5* and 4* cones that I would not be surprised if a 4* character with a 5* cone out-damages the inverse, though I have not done any math to know if this is true. Plus they can be moved to new characters, so they are not instantly obsolete if you get someone better of the same class, depending on the effect. For a few of my classes I am not even sure if I have a 4*. Kind of wish this banner had better 4*s or maybe I would give it a shot. If you check out their max level stats in the banner previews, Jing Yuan has 698 ATK while his lightcone has 582. So about 45% of his raw ATK before multipliers comes from his weapon (assuming he's using that). Presumably a higher percentage on a 4*. It's also got super good passives, but so do characters so that's a little harder to directly compare.
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Speaking of relics   My Clara's all tricked out now. CR/CD ratio could be better but eh, I got all the main stats I wanted. Time to finally start working on relics for my supports.
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