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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:Did they ever address the implications of that TNG episode where they discover that warp drive is destroying the universe? I can’t remember anything about it in DS9 and only one or two throwaway lines in TNG. In my last rewatch I was impressed that they more or less stuck to only going warp 5 or whatever it was for the rest of the season. I kept waiting for them to slip up and they didn't really, obviously they found a few situations where they had to use "emergency authorization" to go warp 9, but they didn't just hilariously ignore it like I expected. And they barely used warp in DS9 regardless.
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A lot of the ships that might dock at a random crappy space station would have also probably not had much in the way of transporters. A bulk hauler might not have a transporter at all, or would have like a one-unit emergency beamout which is more "better than nothing, but don't count on it" than anything. It would have made sense for there to be a Cardassian transporter hub for when the station was in orbit around Bajor, though. As I recall it's like way out in a Bajor/Bajorsun L point or something? Which is why nobody discovered the wormhole formally earlier, it was in some trash area nobody had any reason to go to. Sir Lemming posted:In my last rewatch I was impressed that they more or less stuck to only going warp 5 or whatever it was for the rest of the season. I kept waiting for them to slip up and they didn't really, obviously they found a few situations where they had to use "emergency authorization" to go warp 9, but they didn't just hilariously ignore it like I expected.
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MikeJF posted:Well by my understanding it's more that the replicator has a resolution limit at all, while the transporter doesn't because it tunnels the original matter to the destination and that carries with it all lower level states, without needing to externally store them during transport. It just needs to store the overall arrangement above the size it can transfer as single units. Well, sure but I didn't want to just go into detail (again) about the analog nature of transporters vs digital nature of replicators and "resolution" usually gets the point across.
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Boxturret posted:Yeah I had to keep reminding myself during those scenes that all 3 characters on screen were all the same actor. literally can't tell if this is ironic
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CainFortea posted:Well, sure but I didn't want to just go into detail (again) about the analog nature of transporters vs digital nature of replicators and "resolution" usually gets the point across.  is this from a technical manual or something? i don't remember anything in any of the series mentioning this. it seems to me that they both would be digital signals
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:Did they ever address the implications of that TNG episode where they discover that warp drive is destroying the universe? I can’t remember anything about it in DS9 and only one or two throwaway lines in TNG. Nessus posted:I thought the implication with the adjustable nacelles was that they figured out a warp-neutral drive configuration by then. Basically it was quickly realized it was a dumb plot decision, that everyone immediately wanted to forget.
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Beeftweeter posted:
Yes, it's in the technical manual. Basically the replicators have the data to construct things but not their quantum states. So it can digitally record things like Gagh, but it will be dead Gagh with the same nutritional values of live Gagh. Things that are normally something to do with quantum states are actually just algorithms that approximate normal values. So it's not like it has a recording of each electron's energy state in a cup of tea when it's hot vs when it's room temperature. It just knows that each energy state is about X value, +/- Y following Z pattern and fills it in. Transporters do not record the information digitally in a computer system somewhere else (please ignore the occasions where this happens on screen, yes I know it happens sometimes. I'm talking about the technical manual's explanation that usually holds true). Basically they tear the target apart at the subatomic level, destructively reading it's states as it does so and writes this information on the stream of subatomic particles as it's vacuuming them up. So the matter stream itself is also a record of the pattern of the starting target. This stream can be read in small chunks looking for known patterns, which is how the biofilter works. Then it's put back together, destructively reading the pattern on the matter stream to do so. Which is why you can't just have a backup copy of officers before they get beamed down.
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CainFortea posted:Yes, it's in the technical manual. huh, neat. i appreciate the explanation, that makes a surprising amount of sense
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CainFortea posted:Yes, it's in the technical manual. ... and if the stream get only the data but not the materials the system either goes ST1 "it didn't live long" or Thomas Riker route where it burns the ship's stock of replicator material to make a person out of the data stream. If the actual material stream goes somewhere else or loops back then you have two persons. Yes, this also implies that Thomas Riker is the "realer" Riker because the carrier wave went through but not the material stream. Or not.  EDIT: Since this has happened onscreen only twice, 99.999999...% out of times you end with a fine person mist or decaying quantum particles somewhere between the point of origin and target. Its regular enough for Starfleet to have a procedure in case it happens. Because of course they do, they are very organized. Der Kyhe fucked around with this message at 21:31 on May 19, 2023 |
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Der Kyhe posted:... and if the stream get only the data but not the materials the system either goes ST1 "it didn't live long" or Thomas Riker route where it burns the ship's stock of replicator material to make a person out of the data stream. If the actual material stream goes somewhere else or loops back then you have two persons. Yes, this also implies that Thomas Riker is the "realer" Riker because the carrier wave went through but not the material stream. Or not. The system didn't use the replicator material because the replicator material isn't anything to do with the teleporter system. The transporter tech started a second Annular Confinement Beam because the original was loosing cohesion, since Nervala IV is covered in that weird energetic cloud cover. Once it was through the cloud, the tech just turned off the 2nd beam. however things had lined up just right so that the 2nd beam bounced back instead of just dissapating, and another riker was rematerialized. It's where the 2nd material comes from that is never really covered, but it could be the atmospheric distortion field itself might have supplied it. So as far as everyone on the potemkin knew, the riker that showed up was the only one cause that's where the matter stream ended up.
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May 19, 2023 21:32
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The energy field contained the same Space Magic that made a second Voyager in that one episode. 
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Ah, which second Voyager episode
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Oh, the one where they flew through a space magic field and two overlapping voyagers came out and all the original crew except Harry Kim died, not the one where they landed on a planet and some CGI goo made a second Voyager.
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So what you are basically saying is that we should argue more about how replicators, transporters and warp drive works?
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DIVE DIVE DIVE HIT YOUR BURNERS PILOT
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MikeJF posted:DIVE DIVE DIVE HIT YOUR BURNERS PILOT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K95oIacxbTc Still one of the greatest gaming moments.
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I'm not sure how that reconciles with the subjective view we get from Barclay's perspective of the beaming.
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Nessus posted:I'm not sure how that reconciles with the subjective view we get from Barclay's perspective of the beaming. It doesn't. The writers don't always follow the technical manual.
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It could work, if we hand wave it enough to say that when in the matter stream, in practice you are a kilometers long stream of contained energy and quantum mist, but from your perspective you are just in a bright bubble where you move really sluggishly and turn upright if neccessary. It also hand waves the times when people come out of transporter in different position that they were in when they left.
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Beeftweeter posted:literally can't tell if this is ironic I mean from a technical and logistical stand point, the way they all shared the screen was really impressive.
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Boxturret posted:I mean from a technical and logistical stand point, the way they all shared the screen was really impressive. Yeah, they accomplished it with a lot of motion-control setups and then compositing all the takes into one shot, which is not cheap and not easy to do on a show like TNG, which crammed out an episode every six days.
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Somehow I have ended up with a bunch of old Star Trek commercials in my Youtube recommendations. This one goes hard. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l96aDWIbn48 And this one is ridiculously well done, but apparently never aired in the US. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZBTDlvShYg
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Knormal posted:Somehow I have ended up with a bunch of old Star Trek commercials in my Youtube recommendations. Why does the KFC bridge look better than the actual TOS one?
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Those hard cuts to the Amok Time fight theme in the Cheer ad are killing me, it's like an Aqua Teen bit decades early
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Presumably Klingon teleporter technology works on entirely different principles as well, and who knows if they have anything like a replicator.
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Klingon teleporter kills you on purpose every time, so that you can die as a warrior many times over
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feedmyleg posted:Klingon teleporter kills you on purpose every time, so that you can die as a warrior many times over The Klingon transporter takes exactly one minute and ten seconds longer than any other species. That extra time is built in for a side trip to the Black Mountain, during which Kahless gives you personally a judgment on how honorable you are.
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nine-gear crow posted:Why does the KFC bridge look better than the actual TOS one? Hell it looks better than most post TNG bridges, I think it's the lighting
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Speaking of kahless, did he ever come up in any other episodes after he was "resurrected"?
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wesleywillis posted:Speaking of kahless, did he ever come up in any other episodes after he was "resurrected"?
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He's Khaless not Khalmore
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FlamingLiberal posted:I think he's mentioned but he doesn't physically appear again worf does mention him (specifically, the clone) a couple times in DS9. i think some other klingons do too but i'm not sure, but either way yeah he doesn't actually show up
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Knormal posted:Somehow I have ended up with a bunch of old Star Trek commercials in my Youtube recommendations. these are awesome Delsaber posted:Those hard cuts to the Amok Time fight theme in the Cheer ad are killing me, it's like an Aqua Teen bit decades early lmao yeah. i wonder if they just looped that one part because it was all they were able to license
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Its the way it always happens when the vulcan shows up on screen that gets me. Complete silence when the camera is on the woman, but when it pans over to him DUNDUNDAADAA
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CainFortea posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K95oIacxbTc I gotta pick up the latest and greatest mod and give that game a replay one of these days. Except that moment works better with more load time lulling you to sleep 
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That KFC ad is incredible and should count as the 80th episode.
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Tighclops posted:Hell it looks better than most post TNG bridges, I think it's the lighting It's got a drat roof! Also it was made in 1995. The actors were fitted with prostheses to make them resemble the originals and then dubbed over with lines recorded by the originals. The dramatic lighting and SD resolution hides a lot of sins. Although George Takei wishes he was built like that, jeez Sulu MikeJF fucked around with this message at 08:58 on May 20, 2023 |
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CainFortea posted:The system didn't use the replicator material because the replicator material isn't anything to do with the teleporter system. I’m ever more convinced that the best explanation for second Riker is “Geordi and Data misinterpreted the sensor data, Tom Riker is from a parallel (but not mirror) dimension”
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There's also stuff like beaming back Picard from space when he beamed himself out as pure energy using the pattern buffer to put him back into his body or Kirk being split into his Good and Evil selves but trying to explain it all with lies madness.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I’m ever more convinced that the best explanation for second Riker is “Geordi and Data misinterpreted the sensor data, Tom Riker is from a parallel (but not mirror) dimension” Wouldn't that be Will and not Tom?
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