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I know it's not true and very flippant, but I can't shake the picture of the Free Russia Legion crossing the border totally Mad Max/California Love style and then see what poo poo they can stir up.
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CainFortea posted:I mean, I could see Sabaton doing something about it. quote:The band performed at a show organized by Putin loyalist motorcycle club Night Wolves in Russian occupied Crimea in 2015, and bassist Sundström stated in an interview with Sweden Rock Magazine in 2016 that Crimea had previously been occupied by Ukraine. I could see that too, but perhaps not how you imagine.
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# ? May 23, 2023 07:43 |
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Antigravitas posted:I could see that too, but perhaps not how you imagine. ah no not loving Sabaton
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# ? May 23, 2023 08:01 |
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the holy poopacy posted:Internet VFW › Iron Maidan
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# ? May 23, 2023 08:09 |
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Autisanal Cheese posted:ah no not loving Sabaton I mean Sabaton is real big into strongman poo poo, i mean they wank off about strong militaries, and Russia is huge into projecting the idea of a strong military, so... its not as far fetched as one would think
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# ? May 23, 2023 08:25 |
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I just find the notion of a band singing about World War I and World War II too cheesey, even by power metal standards.
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# ? May 23, 2023 08:34 |
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https://twitter.com/urban_meadows/status/1660787151783489536?s=20 Dude remembers what its like to have the imagination of a 12 year old (I say that in a completely positive manner)
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# ? May 23, 2023 08:48 |
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psydude posted:I just find the notion of a band singing about World War I and World War II too cheesey, even by power metal standards. Yeah, that's clearly more the territory of death metal.
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Ronwayne posted:https://twitter.com/urban_meadows/status/1660787151783489536?s=20 Most 12 year olds i knew didnt put nazi symbols all over their stuff
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# ? May 23, 2023 09:19 |
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Antigravitas posted:I could see that too, but perhaps not how you imagine. It's a shame their songs are so drat catchy because holy gently caress everything about them is problematic in at least half a dozen different ways. IIRC they've got at least one song pushing the "clean Wehrmacht" narrative.
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# ? May 23, 2023 09:25 |
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And another one about the horrors of Auswich, IIRC, so it's a mixed bag. Generally, their project seems to be "war has always sucked, especially when you're just a random guy in the army".
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# ? May 23, 2023 09:29 |
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Computer viking posted:And another one about the horrors of Auswich, IIRC, so it's a mixed bag. And also quote:The band performed at a show organized by Putin loyalist motorcycle club Night Wolves in Russian occupied Crimea in 2015, and bassist Sundström stated in an interview with Sweden Rock Magazine in 2016 that Crimea had previously been occupied by Ukraine.
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# ? May 23, 2023 10:11 |
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the holy poopacy posted:Iron Maidan Perfect
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# ? May 23, 2023 10:23 |
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Herman Merman posted:Sabaton is all about fetishizing war and "heroism". Eeeh, there's an element of "who will even remember me when I die alone here for some cause I don't understand". Mixed with a hefty amount of "unbelievable but true war stories for teens", sure. But yeah the crimea thing is bad.
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# ? May 23, 2023 11:20 |
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Antigravitas posted:Yeah, that's clearly more the territory of death metal. I believe you meant BOLT THROWER
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# ? May 23, 2023 11:26 |
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KozmoNaut posted:I believe you meant BOLT THROWER Also Minenfeld https://youtu.be/ALbqRK7THro
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# ? May 23, 2023 11:57 |
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Stravag posted:Most 12 year olds i knew didnt put nazi symbols all over their stuff But some definitely do.
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# ? May 23, 2023 12:20 |
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lmao meanwhile in tankieville they are mad that james hetfield went to ukraine
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# ? May 23, 2023 12:33 |
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From the GBS thread:
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# ? May 23, 2023 12:53 |
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Cartoon Man posted:From the GBS thread: Putting the image macro on, but leaving it all nazi symbols on the uniforms, 2/10.
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# ? May 23, 2023 13:50 |
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mlmp08 posted:Putting the image macro on, but leaving it all nazi symbols on the uniforms, 2/10. I'm unsurprised. For whatever reason some people just don't bat an eye at that in actual photos.
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# ? May 23, 2023 14:16 |
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https://twitter.com/russianforces/status/1660997259285209088
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# ? May 23, 2023 14:27 |
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That certainly puts the choice of location into a more interesting light. And might explain the destruction of the bridge at Graivoron. I don't think Ukraine's going for the nukes (doesn't really help them strategically), but Russia cannot ignore that. As it was, a prominent incursion into their territory was already something they would have to respond to from a PR perspective, but in close proximity to a nuke magazine? They can't ignore that even if they want to. As far as diversionary thrusts go that's kind of brilliant.
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# ? May 23, 2023 14:47 |
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:That certainly puts the choice of location into a more interesting light. And might explain the destruction of the bridge at Graivoron. Maybe I've glossed over it but is there any proof or indication that Ukraine is involved in this at all?
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# ? May 23, 2023 15:02 |
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From what I've read the unit that crossed over were, at the very least, using their gear/vehicles. It doesn't seem plausible to think this is anything other than an arms-length operation.
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# ? May 23, 2023 15:06 |
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I don't think anyone is meaningfully questioning whether Ukraine is involved. Nor is Ukraine acting like it is uninvolved, albeit they're to some extent hiding behind the fig leaf of 'well technically it's russian nationals doing this' but also you've got bydanov out there shitposting about 'citizens of belgorod, please do not photograph or post about the movement of Ukrainian forces or equipment' so it's not really a secret, either. Ironically it seems to be pretty much exactly what it looks like: Ukraine affiliated Russian groups taking some minimally guarded territory in Russia to cause a maximum of chaos and a big spectacle on telegram for both sides, discredit Putin's regime and to force Russian resources away from the front and to the border in general and an additional bunch of forces to belgorod oblast specifically. as an aside, russian nationalists have been screeching about the inevitability of something like this happening for months now Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 15:15 on May 23, 2023 |
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there's also a comedy option of what this turns into if Russia under-responds
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# ? May 23, 2023 15:40 |
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RoyKeen posted:Maybe I've glossed over it but is there any proof or indication that Ukraine is involved in this at all? The narrative is that these are Russian's attacking Russian's. There has been photos of Russian passports that are supposed to be from the members of the group that made the incursion. The attack came from Ukrainian territory, with a mix of equipment from unknown origin. If Ukraine is involved, it's in a plausibly deniable way. They have also gone to great lengths to plausibly deny. So, no there is no proof or indication that Ukraine is involved.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:there's also a comedy option of what this turns into if Russia under-responds Girkin will become elected leader of the breakaway republic. He will server his term having never entered the country.
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# ? May 23, 2023 15:43 |
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Janky The Clown posted:So, no there is no proof or indication that Ukraine is involved. the people who've shown up on videos have been identified as being with Russian Volunteer Corps by bellingcat, and they're supplied at best/controlled at worst by HUR (Ukraine military intelligence). here's a writeup on alexei levikin, the guy with the epic beard in one of the videos (who's a REAL big ol' nazi) https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1660772959621873664 https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2019/09/04/the-hardcore-russian-neo-nazi-group-that-calls-ukraine-home/
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# ? May 23, 2023 15:47 |
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lol no but his cassandra complex might swell to terminal proportions Some shitposty foreshadowing from 5 days ago, https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-wants-60-mile-demilitarized-zone-russia-border-intel-chief-2023-5
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# ? May 23, 2023 15:48 |
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as a bonus, the usual tankie suspects aren't pointing out that literal nazis are being supported by ukraine in invading russia because that would mean they'd have to credit bellingcat, who they constantly dismiss as a "CIA front"
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# ? May 23, 2023 15:49 |
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Of course it's a Ukrainian-run operation. They're denying it while winking just like they have with every other attack they've done on Russian soil. More to the point: does it really matter if it is? What's Russia going to do, invade them more?
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# ? May 23, 2023 15:53 |
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Bellingcat poisoned the narrative by posting it!
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# ? May 23, 2023 15:54 |
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Using Ukrainian equipment means little in that region, I would imagine- so much has been captured by both sides, I imagine that's part of the 'fun'.
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# ? May 23, 2023 16:06 |
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Long article by The New Yorker about the fighting on the ground/in the trenches. Bypasses the paywall (is posting those against the rules?) https://archive.ph/yUtre
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# ? May 23, 2023 16:08 |
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bulletsponge13 posted:Using Ukrainian equipment means little in that region, I would imagine- so much has been captured by both sides, I imagine that's part of the 'fun'. Well, if they are truly independent of Ukraine we should probably all be hoping the Russians kill them before they can get to Belgorod-22.
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# ? May 23, 2023 16:19 |
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I just translated this for the GBS thread, but thought you might find it interesting as well! Yle released an article about Russians fighting on Ukraine's side of the war in March. I had planned to translate it earlier, but it fell aside for some reason. Now it is more topical than ever! Disclaimer as usual that this is a news article, and as such while itself does not contain any shocking footage or imagery, the links that can be found therein may contain such material. Viewer discretion is advised if you are sensitive to such. I will point out that there are several links to further articles and interviews within the article if you are interested in reading deeper into the topic. Author: Justas Stasevskij Release date: 14.03.23 Link to untranslated article: https://yle.fi/a/74-20022143 quote:A number of Russians are fighting their own countrymen alongside Ukraine - researcher: "It is likely that their number will increase"
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Well, if they are truly independent of Ukraine we should probably all be hoping the Russians kill them before they can get to Belgorod-22.
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psydude posted:Of course it's a Ukrainian-run operation. They're denying it while winking just like they have with every other attack they've done on Russian soil. It's mostly winking at what Russia was doing in Donbass in 2014 and 2015, which despite being similarly transparent was enough for the big Western governments to pretend not to see it, and for the BBCs of the world to consider the possibility credible --- after all, if Putin says Russia is not involved, it's an official statement and a "side" that must be covered, never mind the T72B3 that apparently arose by immaculate conception.
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