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Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

Ghost Leviathan posted:

It's still stock 'jungle' sound effect to have kookaburras.

kookaburra sits in the old gum tree
wrong wrong continent says of he

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Chrpno
Apr 17, 2006

Autisanal Cheese posted:

absolute classic

Did he actually invent that genre of 'comedy character attempts to do serious interview with celebrities who aren't in on the joke' long before Dennis Pennis and Sacha Baron Cohen?

Would be very hard pressed to find anyone doing it before the early 70s. Love NG, there's some regrettable stuff in there but it's meant to be at the expense of the character I guess? Even Zappa played along:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mUQ00i9rH4

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

Autisanal Cheese posted:

absolute classic

Did he actually invent that genre of 'comedy character attempts to do serious interview with celebrities who aren't in on the joke' long before Dennis Pennis and Sacha Baron Cohen?

He started doing the character back in '73 when Sacha Baron Cohen was only 2 years old :v: Apparently it was a parody of some late night talk show presenter called Tommy Leonetti who had a show in Australia in 1969-70 which wasn't great.


Fun fact: in that video I posted where he interviews Sally Struthers and she can't stop laughing he tells her all about the Australian version of the Emmy Awards which are called The Logies. It was a running gag in his show that he was desperate to win the Gold Logie for Most Popular Personality on Australian Television and he used to run a regular segment where he went over the show's TV ratings and harangued the audience for not trying hard enough to make him more popular. That gag was ruined in 1976 when he actually did win the Gold Logie and it was the only time it was ever awarded in a character's name and not the performer's real name.

The made Lee fuckin' Marvin read out his name and hand him the award live on national TV. :v:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbvWhCHa_IU

Chrpno
Apr 17, 2006

It is heartening to think that such a subversive, ironic meta-comedy became one of the most popular things ever in this stupid country. And we're still talking about him 50 years later.

(just don't mention his Stevie Wonder joke, that did NOT age well)

The Moon Monster
Dec 30, 2005

Nieuw Amsterdam posted:

“White soldier transported to distant world marries the princess and helps the (oddly incompetent) natives fight off the colonizers to liberate the planet.”

James Cameron, call your agent.

Fast & Furious is just Doc Savage with the serial numbers filed off.

“Guy with superior skills assembles a super team of specialists and experts that’s like a family and uses those skills to stop threats others can’t”

There actually is a movie. I liked it ok but it was a mega flop, probably because no one cares about a movie titled "John Carter". Also, everyone was clothed. Fuckin' disney...

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

WHITE NOISE
GENERATOR

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They also wrapped the expenses of a few decades worth of failed adaptations of the property into its budget, so it was kind of impossible for it to ever actually make money.

I mean it was also loving garbage and calling "John Carter" was an incredibly stupid marketing decision.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

The Moon Monster posted:

There actually is a movie. I liked it ok but it was a mega flop, probably because no one cares about a movie titled "John Carter". Also, everyone was clothed. Fuckin' disney...

That film was supposed to come out in 2006 and got delayed so long that the inevitable mockbuster ripoff from The Asylum got released way before the real movie :v:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC83KX3IQfs

The wikipedia page for the big budget John Carter movie has a very large segment on the film's marketing which goes into a lot of detail about how the film's promotion was botched. There's always a huge amount of dumb bullshit that goes on behind the scenes but they really went overboard on this turkey


Poor Willem Dafoe performed his Thark character in a stop motion suit (with a multi-camera rig strapped to his head to capture his facial expressions) on location speaking an invented alien language on stilts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lDdy_h-s_w&t=166s
Such a massive commitment for a role in a terrible, terrible film :(

Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008
Reading the Wikipedia article for that Tarzan movie and Roger Ebert unsurprisingly gave a movie where Bo Derek shows her tits a semi-positive review:

Roger Ebert posted:

The Tarzan-Jane scenes strike a blow for noble savages, for innocent lust, for animal magnetism, and, indeed, for soft-core porn, which is ever so much sexier than the hard-core variety."

Good ol’ Rog

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

Well ain't that precious?

The Moon Monster posted:

There actually is a movie. I liked it ok but it was a mega flop, probably because no one cares about a movie titled "John Carter". Also, everyone was clothed. Fuckin' disney...

I remember the trailers made the film look awful, despite it being a decent enough film.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Nieuw Amsterdam posted:

“White soldier transported to distant world marries the princess and helps the (oddly incompetent) natives fight off the colonizers to liberate the planet.”

James Cameron, call your agent.

Fast & Furious is just Doc Savage with the serial numbers filed off.

“Guy with superior skills assembles a super team of specialists and experts that’s like a family and uses those skills to stop threats others can’t”

The Rock's character in Jumanji is pretty much Doc Savage with the serial numbers filed off, rather fitting given how the movie pretty well nails the late 90s video game aesthetic. And supposedly there's been a Doc Savage movie starring him in development hell forever.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

I recall seeing some mini-doc about Ebert and they got to the period where he worked with Russ Meyer and at least one, I recall multiple, people straight up saying "Why did he want to work with Russ Meyer? I think he really liked women with large breasts."

Ghost Leviathan posted:

The Rock's character in Jumanji is pretty much Doc Savage with the serial numbers filed off, rather fitting given how the movie pretty well nails the late 90s video game aesthetic. And supposedly there's been a Doc Savage movie starring him in development hell forever.
I've never bothered to dig into Doc Savage but he's got to be getting filed in with other 1930s relics like The Shadow, The Phantom, The Green Hornet, Dick Tracey, and The Lone Ranger as properties that were very important at paving the way for Batman but cannot hope to compete with Batman, complete with 3 decades of box office flops to try and reinvent them that prove it.

endocriminologist
May 17, 2021

SUFFERINGLOVER:press send + soul + earth lol
inncntsoul:ok

(inncntsoul has left the game)

ARCHON_MASTER:lol
MAMMON69:lol
The phantom could easily be made into a slasher movie

credburn
Jun 22, 2016
President, Founder of the Brent Spiner Fan Club
What about Sgt. Rock?

There ain't nothin easy about Easy Company o poo poo tanks!! -- every. single. one.

MuscaDomestica
Apr 27, 2017

endocriminologist posted:

The phantom could easily be made into a slasher movie

Surprised there isn't a version in development "Its like Black Panther with white protagonist!"

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

MuscaDomestica posted:

Surprised there isn't a version in development "Its like Black Panther with white protagonist!"

They should make a Phantom movie but swap the main character out for a black person just to watch angry online racists suddenly feel very concerned about the Phantom lore.

DrBouvenstein
Feb 28, 2007

I think I'm a doctor, but that doesn't make me a doctor. This fancy avatar does.
You're all reminding me that my first exposure to these terrible public domain characters was the short lived 80's cartoon, "Defenders of the Earth."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nblpob8gyzs

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

Well ain't that precious?

DrBouvenstein posted:

You're all reminding me that my first exposure to these terrible public domain characters was the short lived 80's cartoon, "Defenders of the Earth."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nblpob8gyzs

Those characters aren't public domain, but the rights to them were probably super cheap.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

DrBouvenstein posted:

You're all reminding me that my first exposure to these terrible public domain characters was the short lived 80's cartoon, "Defenders of the Earth."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nblpob8gyzs

Stan Lee wrote that theme song.

DeafNote
Jun 4, 2014

Only Happy When It Rains
All I remember from the Phantom is that scifi 2040 cartoon which was pretty heavy for my kidbrain.

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

hey! check this out
Fun Shoe
I remember the 90s Phantom movie as being good cheesy fun, but I'm pretty sure the only reason it broke 8 figures at the box office was that it came out at a time when superhero movies were few and far between (and also generally dire.)

Lemniscate Blue
Apr 21, 2006

Here we go again.

DeafNote posted:

All I remember from the Phantom is that scifi 2040 cartoon which was pretty heavy for my kidbrain.

This made me look up a summary and holy poo poo this show was way ahead of its time.

"Wikipedia posted:

It is the year 2040, all environmental disasters and the economic Resource Wars from the early 21st century have decimated the fragile ecosystem balance of an Earth once teeming with life. Everywhere, the privileged and wealthy continue to thrive in expensive real estate developments that tower above the suffering masses. The victims of Earth's misfortune have been forced to subsist on scavenged refuse from the past on the mangled streets of forlorn city-states.

In Metropia (once known as New York City), the largest and most powerful of the city-states, the powerful robotics manufacturing corporation Maximum Inc. has slowly shaped a cold, steely urban center, consisting of huge, residential towers intertwined with TubeTrain tunnels. Maximum's robotic "biots" (Biological Optical Transputer System) have replaced enormous amounts of human labour, and the corporation is illegally producing prohibited combat biots to form Maximum's private underground army. Under this guise of efficient progress, Maximum has own plans for the future, all known as the Maximum Era. Through the construction of the fortress of Cyberville, an immense survival shelter where only the wealthiest and most elite humans will retreat, and the take over of Metropia by Maximum's biot armies, their plans all ultimately involve the dark path of decline and extinction as the culminating result of man's prior errors and efforts, once Earth finally succumbs to its slowly deteriorating state.

The only hope for the survival of humanity is the Ghost Jungle — thousands of square miles of mutated vegetation that may be the planet's salvation. This secret source of life is submerged beneath Metropia, unseen by most. College student Kit Walker Jr. is chosen by fate to save the world, donning the black mask and purple suit of his people's savior, the 24th Phantom.

The role of the Phantom has been passed on from father to son since the 16th century, leading the world to believe that the Phantom is a single immortal individual. Kit, the 24th in the line, is young, unsure, and inexperienced, but he finds within him the courage and might to battle the evil that threatens to destroy the Earth.

It's only 35 episodes and there's a YouTube channel that has the whole series up: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgkKj2n1LjA_VzcrpMQ8l_NszGmxAA1d0. I'm gonna have to do a binge in the near future.

credburn
Jun 22, 2016
President, Founder of the Brent Spiner Fan Club

Lemniscate Blue posted:

It's only 35 episodes and there's a YouTube channel that has the whole series up: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgkKj2n1LjA_VzcrpMQ8l_NszGmxAA1d0. I'm gonna have to do a binge in the near future.

Here I am watching Phantom a half hour before work just like thirty years ago I was watching Phantom a half hour before school :cool:

Aramek
Dec 22, 2007

Cutest tumor in all of Oncology!
Aaaaand saved to library.

Taeke
Feb 2, 2010


Lemniscate Blue posted:

This made me look up a summary and holy poo poo this show was way ahead of its time.

It's only 35 episodes and there's a YouTube channel that has the whole series up: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgkKj2n1LjA_VzcrpMQ8l_NszGmxAA1d0. I'm gonna have to do a binge in the near future.

Yooooo thanks for this!

Kit Walker
Jul 10, 2010
"The Man Who Cannot Deadlift"

the_steve posted:

They should make a Phantom movie but swap the main character out for a black person just to watch angry online racists suddenly feel very concerned about the Phantom lore.

I'm in favor of this idea

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

For a franchise that’s all about a mantle being passed across generations, The Phantom stories very rarely get into that. I think it’s been the same guy in the newspaper strip since the Lee Falk days.

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010

Ghost Leviathan posted:

It's still stock 'jungle' sound effect to have kookaburras.

huh did not know that was a bird.

Also all deserts have cactus.

Sudsygoat
Jul 19, 2013
also a stock bird is the loon. jungles, deserts, there's always that loon wailing in the distance. the normal cries, not the insane laughing cry.

8 minute thing about the misplaced loon call.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVFBUIGfcJk

Edge & Christian
May 20, 2001

Earth-1145 is truly the best!
A world of singing, magic frogs,
high adventure, no shitposters

IShallRiseAgain posted:

Those characters aren't public domain, but the rights to them were probably super cheap.
All of those characters are owned by King Features, who own a bunch of IP that falls into the same category as Tarzan, the Lone Ranger, etc: very influential to things popular less than a century ago, but wildly unsuccessful translating that into contemporary pop culture.

This includes the Defenders of the Earth characters (Flash Gordon, Mandrake the Magician, the Phantom) but also Betty Boop (at least until 2021), Prince Valiant, Popeye, Mary Worth, Mark Trail, Krazy Kat, Dennis the Menace, Family Circus, Beetle Bailey, etc. etc.

By some definition of famous/successful, King's biggest current output is the comic strip Spider-Man and Mallard Fillmore.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

the_steve posted:

They should make a Phantom movie but swap the main character out for a black person just to watch angry online racists suddenly feel very concerned about the Phantom lore.
:hmmyes:

I AM GRANDO posted:

For a franchise that’s all about a mantle being passed across generations, The Phantom stories very rarely get into that. I think it’s been the same guy in the newspaper strip since the Lee Falk days.
It's actually p. funny how a solid 50% of the reasonable complaints about superhero media is answered with "Capitalism > Narrative"

DrBouvenstein posted:

You're all reminding me that my first exposure to these terrible public domain characters was the short lived 80's cartoon, "Defenders of the Earth."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nblpob8gyzs
Lmaooooo it's like a parody of 80s intros I loving love it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMJ252v1n7k

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



Lipstick Apathy

Sudsygoat posted:

also a stock bird is the loon. jungles, deserts, there's always that loon wailing in the distance. the normal cries, not the insane laughing cry.

8 minute thing about the misplaced loon call.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVFBUIGfcJk

cant not mention

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PibLEinJws

That70sHeidi
Aug 16, 2009
Speaking of stock sounds, I've always wondered if the average British hear the foxes as much as Midsommar Murders likes using the foxes scream in the show.

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


I AM GRANDO posted:

For a franchise that’s all about a mantle being passed across generations, The Phantom stories very rarely get into that. I think it’s been the same guy in the newspaper strip since the Lee Falk days.

Yep. Early on he aged, got married, had kids, etc. but ever since those kids reached their teenage years they've been stuck there.

small ghost
Jan 30, 2013

That70sHeidi posted:

Speaking of stock sounds, I've always wondered if the average British hear the foxes as much as Midsommar Murders likes using the foxes scream in the show.

Oh, that's very real. Or at least it is in the cities, I assume you hear them all the time in the countryside as well but there's probably more urban than rural foxes these days. I'm listening to two have a screaming fight in the neighbours garden as we speak.

Cool Kids Club Soda
Aug 20, 2010
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small ghost posted:

Oh, that's very real. Or at least it is in the cities, I assume you hear them all the time in the countryside as well but there's probably more urban than rural foxes these days. I'm listening to two have a screaming fight in the neighbours garden as we speak.

Beautiful. Like two gammons in the pub having it out over a spilled pint

:britain:

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

small ghost posted:

Oh, that's very real. Or at least it is in the cities, I assume you hear them all the time in the countryside as well but there's probably more urban than rural foxes these days. I'm listening to two have a screaming fight in the neighbours garden as we speak.

yeah i guess it's probably the same thing with me and loons, i can believe they get misused as samples but living in Ontario, Canada I'm used to hearing them all over so it just sounds normal

Aces High
Mar 26, 2010

Nah! A little chocolate will do




if you live in Canada (and Minnesota) and near a lake or even a large enough pond, you've likely heard loon calls your entire life. Watching that video, I don't think I noticed the wail in some of the examples given but now I fear it will stick out like whenever you hear a Wilhelm scream (or those annoying canned applause sfx)

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:
Loons yes. But loving Geese honking is more common. It is the harbinger of danger. More than once I have had to protect the neighbour's kids from the cobra chickens that descend on our complex pool when they return in the spring. While they are Canada Geese, they are not our stereotype of friendly kind and polite. They are a vicious, colonizing force who take and claim land through violence and aggression. So you know, the name is loving accurate.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Lemniscate Blue posted:

This made me look up a summary and holy poo poo this show was way ahead of its time.

It's only 35 episodes and there's a YouTube channel that has the whole series up: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgkKj2n1LjA_VzcrpMQ8l_NszGmxAA1d0. I'm gonna have to do a binge in the near future.

That's got some really deep Aeon Flux influences. I also see its DNA in Tron: Insurrection, which more people should watch.

Thanks for the link!

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Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



Loons are angry, stabby, and dramatic. They strand here a fair bit and we have to move them back to the water sometimes, and they’re always beyond pissed about it and screaming bloody murder the entire time.

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