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Pretty odd to exclude BMW and Audi when shopping for a sports sedan if you ask me
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knox_harrington posted:Pretty odd to exclude BMW and Audi when shopping for a sports sedan if you ask me BMW is purely because of taste. I just don't want one. I would very much like an Audi. But at that price range, it's either an A3/S3 (too small), or an A4, which is disappointingly less car for the same price from what I've seen. A base S4 (which, I imagine good luck finding) starts at the very tippy-top of what I can pay. Also, if I buy an Audi, it becomes my wife's car. That was pretty much settled in my marriage about 10 years ago.
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GD_American posted:BMW is purely because of taste. I just don't want one. I very much felt this way too until a BMW happened to be the only car that checked all my boxes and welp. I'm not saying you have to get something you don't like but maybe test drive one just to have a baseline to compare to. As much as I hate to admit it, BMW and Porsche are basically the benchmarks for "sports car under $100k" and your budget isn't in Porsche territory.
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Not bad advice at all. It's how I ended up with a 2018 Accord, when I was dead set on the Subaru.
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KillHour posted:I very much felt this way too until a BMW happened to be the only car that checked all my boxes and welp. Yeah. I just looked at the BMW USA used car search and $45k is squarely in "1 year old 5-series" territory. To me that compares well to whatever Volvo or Kia is being cross-shopped.
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Genesis, S60, or IS. Everything else you posted is not very good or not reliable or both. Edit: I agree with the subsequent discussion around actually buying a good sport sedan but the three above actually have some merit compared to say a 3 series
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Genesis, S60, or IS. Everything else you posted is not very good or not reliable or both. Yep, I would say 3 Series and A4 as well. To hell with OP’s preferences, he’s excluding vehicles that have crushed the segment pretty well for decades IMO. Unless it’s a taste thing, which…. Sometimes you have to get past that too. Check out the horrible kidney grilles for example which are a true assault on the senses. knox_harrington posted:Yeah. I just looked at the BMW USA used car search and $45k is squarely in "1 year old 5-series" territory. To me that compares well to whatever Volvo or Kia is being cross-shopped. Solid agree. If I had $45k to throw around and a sedan to buy, a 1 year old 5 series that I would keep for several years would be a very hard thing to say no to. Just a good sedan with few compromises. Inner Light fucked around with this message at 13:55 on May 23, 2023 |
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May 23, 2023 13:35
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If you like the Volvo S60 you should get the Volvo V60, because it's the same except a station wagon and station wagons are objectively the best kind of car. For real though I've had a V60 for a couple of years and I really like it.
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Inner Light posted:Solid agree. If I had $45k to throw around and a sedan to buy, a 1 year old 5 series that I would keep for several years would be a very hard thing to say no to. Just a good sedan with few compromises. You made me go look at pricing, that gets you into the 4cyl one, right? The one that Car and Driver tested was $70k MSRP for a 4-cyl, which rubs me the wrong way: https://www.caranddriver.com/bmw/5-series-2023 Also it's upsetting to me that there is now price overlap between 5 Series and Chrysler Minivan new MSRPs.
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Twerk from Home posted:You made me go look at pricing, that gets you into the 4cyl one, right? Yeah they’ve always been obnoxiously expensive and it’s only getting worse. They also depreciate fast which is both good and bad. You can pick up a 1-2 year old one for a good amount off MSRP, but value will continue tanking and you’ll lose huge in years 3-6 as well until it’s worth much less than half.
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Unless you really need the bigger car, I would get a better equipped 3 than a bare bones 5. A base 5 is not a fun car. I have an M4 and I stick adults back there all the time. I think a 3 should be fine for most use cases honestly.
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Op, have you considered a used bmw 7 series?
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Proposed Budget: 50k New or Used: either Body Style: suv or truck How will you be using the car?: offroad, hauling stuff, driving mom. I got 2 cars. Have an X3 that I want to replace with something more offroad capable. Also needs to do my grocery/target errand runs, and be somewhat comfortable enough to drive my mom around when she visits. My other car is a miata. I live in northern New Mexico, and want to drive around more offroad. I don't really know what that entails though. Big tires and ground clearance probably? First thought was a Wrangler Rubicon. I don't think this fits needs other than offroad capability though. Then a Bronco, one of the lower trims. Availability is difficult here. Had a Ford dealership tell me $4500 adm to order one recently. Haven't bothered to check out used market. Cherokee Trailhawk. '22 is v6, '23 is i4. Kinda seems like the '22 is the better choice. New '22s are still on lots, usually marked down. Grand Cherokee Trailhawk. New design is '22, would look at the '21 and older. This has a v8 avail, air suspension, nicest of everything so far. That's kinda where my rough knowledge ends. Not sure what else I should think of. Like 4runner? I don't think I want a truck but I'm open to hearing. I guess the budget is open, talk me into a defender.
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phosdex posted:Proposed Budget: 50k Buy a 30yo 4runner with lockers and send it. You don't need a 4x4 daily
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wesleywillis posted:Op, have you considered a used bmw 7 series? The nice thing about a base 7 series is that is has almost all the features of a fully loaded 5 series, plus it's got about double the interior volume and at a lower price point Someone is going to chime in here that it's not a good car to street park in Boston tho
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If you’re going to do actual off-roading (not just dirt roads) you might not want to buy something new to beat up. I’m in the market for a dedicated off road vehicle and have been looking at Monteros and Xterras to avoid the Toyota tax. My E150 does fine just getting us to camp spots down dirt paths, so if that’s all you need, anything with ground clearance will work.
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What exactly do you want to do offroad? You're not being specific. If you just want to take some shortcuts on fire and ranch roads you can get away with dailying any 4x4 SUV or truck you like to be in although you can access these roads with any car with clearance if you're patient enough to treat washboards and potholes correct. If trail riding ever comes near your brain you need to be ready for it to be in your driveway with riding gear or drive shafts in strange places or a diff magically filled with play dough for weeks at a time.
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GD_American posted:Curious to get some opinions on the cars I'm looking at. Greetings fellow sports sedan enthusiast. The pickings out there are getting pretty slim since most automakers are pivoting away from sedans. I've been researching potential replacements for my SHO for a while now. Here's my opinion for whatever it's worth. Volvo S60 - doesn't do anything for me, and I know nothing about them. There is only 1 dealer in my very large metro area, and that's a little concerning if something goes wrong. Like you mentioned, not sporty enough power wise. Acura TLX Type-S. I think this is a strong contender in the space. Good power, and in the right color/package very good looking. Infiniti Q50 - I avoid Nissan products these days. Genesis G70 - another strong contender, but the dealership experience can be lacking. Some dealers are setting up dedicated Genesis only dealers and the experience should be better, but a local Hyundai dealer of mine leaves a lot to be desired. Alfa - I wouldn't do it. Lincoln doesn't sell any new sedans anymore. The 2020 MKZ and Continental were the last sedans Lincoln made as Ford moved away from sedans entirely. Lexus - The IS350 F Sport might be a contender. I'm not sure if it's big enough. You seem to be targeting midsize sedans and I think the IS350 would be classified as a compact sedan. The germans make nice sports sedans, but the good ones are all out of your price range brand new and I wouldn't want to own one out of warranty. I wouldn't sleep on the new Caddy's though. The CT5-V (non blackwing) is a pretty nice car and I think they're dealing on them right now. I find the CT4 to be a bit small for my taste, though people who love a nice compact sedan should love it. Personally I've been looking at 2020 and newer CPO BMW M550i's. I never wanted a BMW before now, and I'm still on the fence, but they tick every box that I have. My SHO still runs perfect, so I would need a big upgrade to make it "worth it", and there's like 3 contenders for me right now. 2-3 year old off lease AMG E series, Audi S6, or a BMW M550i, but I would only keep the car 2 years or so. If you're open to lightly used vehicles (2-3 years) or mid sized SUV's there are some other options.
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Hadlock posted:The nice thing about a base 7 series is that is has almost all the features of a fully loaded 5 series, plus it's got about double the interior volume and at a lower price point The 6 series used to depreciate like crazy so you could pick up a 3-year old one for like 40% original price. If, that is, you want a 6er I guess.
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thekeeshman posted:If you like the Volvo S60 you should get the Volvo V60, because it's the same except a station wagon and station wagons are objectively the best kind of car. For real though I've had a V60 for a couple of years and I really like it. No longer available in the US except for as V60XC or the weird polestar T8 75k plug in hybrid V60
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RIght now I don't know. I've taken my x3 as far as I feel comfortable with it. Now I want to go further. I'm fortunate that I can decide to just buy new vehicles. It's definitely beyond just simple dirt roads though. I'm literally minutes away from public land that you can just drive around in. I got desert, hills, 10k ft mountains.
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knox_harrington posted:The 6 series used to depreciate like crazy so you could pick up a 3-year old one for like 40% original price. If, that is, you want a 6er I guess. Yeah you can buy an off lease 7 series* with 3 years and 38k on the clock for around 40k all day long. They share a ton of parts bin parts with the 3 and 5 series (seats, gauge cluster, HVAC, steering wheel etc, inline 6 etc) so you can reasonably expect those things to be as reliable as the higher volume 3 series *They're all off lease Edit: but yeah they lose like, 50% of the value as soon as you drive it off the lot, do not recommend a new one Hadlock fucked around with this message at 17:08 on May 23, 2023 |
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phosdex posted:RIght now I don't know. I've taken my x3 as far as I feel comfortable with it. Now I want to go further. I'm fortunate that I can decide to just buy new vehicles. It's definitely beyond just simple dirt roads though. I'm literally minutes away from public land that you can just drive around in. I got desert, hills, 10k ft mountains. Two vehicles, my friend. Tracking or off-roading a daily driver is an expensive proposition.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Two vehicles, my friend. Tracking or off-roading a daily driver is an expensive proposition. I have 2 cars.
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phosdex posted:I have 2 cars. Since you have a Miata you now need three cars. It’ll be cheaper in the long run, I promise.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Since you have a Miata you now need three cars. It’ll be cheaper in the long run, I promise. In the future I'll probably go more cars, for now though I'm thinking about the Grand Cherokee with the v8.
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DNK posted:You’re not wrong, but the 2023 Accord is basically a worse Civic in every metric except if you’re transporting four adults long distances. Top-trim civic costs about the same as a bottom-trim Accord and the civic absolutely shreds the accord. Good point. I really, really wish the Honda HRV was a little bit better and had the bigger Civic Touring/Sport engine or at least that option.
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phosdex posted:In the future I'll probably go more cars, for now though I'm thinking about the Grand Cherokee with the v8. What everyone is trying to tell you is that are you ready to have your brand new car get all hosed up from off-road excursions? You might want to tag along with an off-roader group to see what's actually involved.
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Nitrox posted:What everyone is trying to tell you is that are you ready to have your brand new car get all hosed up from off-road excursions? You might want to tag along with an off-roader group to see what's actually involved. I'm selling a 1 year old x3 to buy something. I'm already getting rid of the brand new car. I won't daily it. I will be telling insurance that its like 1200/mi year. Does anyone have opinions on the vehicles I listed or specific alternates I can research? And I am totally fine if in a year I decide I need something more or less, I will just buy something else then. phosdex fucked around with this message at 23:54 on May 23, 2023 |
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Im curious why you're against a truck. I have a trip planned with a friend in that area of New Mexico, camping out at 10k feet an hour north of Taos, and he said we're going to take rough trails in his truck to "get away from the general public" Like what do you envision a Bronco doing that you couldn't in a Ranger? It doesn't sound like you're doing anything super rough. Alternatively, keep the x3 and take a trailer up there with a side by side or atv trevorreznik fucked around with this message at 00:37 on May 24, 2023 |
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trevorreznik posted:Im curious why you're against a truck. I have a trip planned with a friend in that area of New Mexico, camping out at 10k feet an hour north of Taos, and he said we're going to take rough trails in his truck to "get away from the general public" If you got a truck recommendation, then let me know. I said I'm open to trucks, but I'm not a truck guy and need to hear why you would want a truck.
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I'm nowhere near as experienced as the guys in this thread, but I've driven 80s Datsun, 90s ford broncos, explorer, ranger for decades on muddy farms in the Midwest, '19 ranger somewhat on forest roads in the UP, and ATVs in the UP on forest trails or just wherever. I really liked a lot of the low speed traction features the ranger has, but it was also completely overkill for what I was doing. I've had some of those trucks buried floorboard deep in mud or water and required tractors to pull them out, but I've also done the same with a Pontiac vibe. Granted, I've taken my ford fusion on the same back roads as the trucks, but I banged up the skid plate pretty good and everyone saying vehicle clearance matters is 100% right. My rough understanding is that the modern bronco is going to work better on rough off-road than something like the ranger, handle better due to being shorter, better suspension etc. One thing I'll note is I personally like pickup truck beds for anything that's getting banged around and dirty since it's less cleaning of the interior, and only really prefer the SUV when it's in a city and I don't want stuff stolen. What I don't know is where you'd be going that wouldn't be a good fit for a side by side, especially if you're a novice. Their safety is really drat nice, they're fast, they can do a ton. ATVs work too if you know how to handle them (my cousins had a 3 wheeler growing up and Jesus H Christ) and want to save money. This is meandering but I think my point is if you aren't already experienced and know exactly what you want to do off-road, you're going to be better served by a general purpose small truck with true 4x4, or by a more specialized SXS. Hell, I'd probably try to get a '99 ranger instead of a '19 and just run it into the absolute ground so as to find the limits of what can be done, rather than risk destroying something newer, but the old ones are hard to find
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phosdex posted:RIght now I don't know. I've taken my x3 as far as I feel comfortable with it. Now I want to go further. I'm fortunate that I can decide to just buy new vehicles. It's definitely beyond just simple dirt roads though. I'm literally minutes away from public land that you can just drive around in. I got desert, hills, 10k ft mountains. It’s still unclear what your intent for 4wheeling is. There’s only a handful of vehicles brand new that can attempt something like the Dusy. You’ll need to invest in recovery gear too and you’ll need friends with similar built vehicles to go with. And tools and spare parts for on the trail repairs. If the main requirement is to go further than an X3, I’d say just get whatever vehicle that has 4x4 that tickles your fancy and go find out what kind of trails you can manage. Majority of any 4x4 should be able to complete most if not all of the green trails at Tierra Del Sol.
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phosdex posted:Proposed Budget: 50k 4runner is generally accepted as a good choice, but Actual Offroad trim is going to set you back more than 50 large after it gets optioned out and definitely after dealer markup
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:No longer available in the US except for as V60XC or the weird polestar T8 75k plug in hybrid V60 Funny you say that; I was making a pros/cons spreadsheet and doing some research, and found this https://www.volvocars.com/us/cars/s60-hybrid/ 455 hp. 41 mile EV-only range. 52k. I was honestly shocked it was in my price range. (The wagon version isn't) e- ewwwww oh my god. Wool seats GD_American fucked around with this message at 02:39 on May 24, 2023 |
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GD_American posted:Funny you say that; I was making a pros/cons spreadsheet and doing some research, and found this That car is more expensive than its price indicates. Depreciation will murder you if you sell it anytime soon, but repair costs will if you keep it for a long time.
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Loan Dusty Road posted:It’s still unclear what your intent for 4wheeling is. There’s only a handful of vehicles brand new that can attempt something like the Dusy. I have tried over and over to explain that I don't know what lies beyond what my x3 can do. Hoping that some people would give nice pointers as to what to look for to begin going offroad. At no point have I said it must be brand new.
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Offroading OP should get a Porsche 997 4S and fit a Safari kit, not because it's a good idea, just because I want to do it but am prevented by local regulations
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phosdex posted:I have tried over and over to explain that I don't know what lies beyond what my x3 can do. Hoping that some people would give nice pointers as to what to look for to begin going offroad. At no point have I said it must be brand new. You said you took it "as far as I feel comfortable with it" with no further explanation. It's also a year old and you're ready to sell it. It sounds like you're bored and have money to burn, that's why you're getting the answers you're getting. How about if you explain where you "took" this x3 and why it was "as far" as you were comfortable. Because I bet that like with most people who are bored and looking to change cars for reasons like this the correct place to spend the money is on driver training and seat time, not a new car. This is true for off roading and racing/track days. New vehicles can not replace sill or experience in bulk. Especially not something that's just one year newer than what you have now. But if what you really want is a new car that looks different then just say that. If you can afford one that's totally okay. Motronic fucked around with this message at 02:46 on May 24, 2023 |
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