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you invested in copper? ea-nasir-eous!
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May 31, 2023 14:13
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just workshopping here hell of a snipe tho
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May 31, 2023 14:14
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I'm convinced these models are going to be everywhere pretty soon, but the prompts aren't going to be how anyone uses them. Between the cost and the risk, it's not really worth it, and currently just enables lazy and inattentive behavior Bespoke models that you only access through API calls is the future of this technology. Lower overhead and purpose limited inputs/outputs are the only thing that can make LLMs practically useful in a business environment imo
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May 31, 2023 14:20
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Mr Hootington posted:There should be a required work program starting freshmen year of high school where kids are required to work 8-16 hours a week doing community services like community gardens, community kitchen, litter pickup, park upkeep, old person visitation. The jobs would rotate yearly until graduation. Not in the current usa of course. I mean this is kinda a great idea Kids gotta get comfortable doing work but nobody should profit off child labor. Community service seems like a good compromise It would probably also be more useful than a lot of bullshit electives in HS
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May 31, 2023 14:25
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The lovely rural high school I went to had credits for X number of volunteer hours also had mandatory classes in personal finance, home economics, cooking, and wood or metal shop guess it wasn't as lovely as I thought at the time
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May 31, 2023 14:27
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In high school, I took a bunch of college classes because i was told then i would be able to do whatever i wanted in college. then I got to college and had no idea what I wanted to do because the only things I had ever tried were 101 level college math and science classes lol
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May 31, 2023 14:29
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:The lovely rural high school I went to had credits for X number of volunteer hours I think high school should be the cutoff point on history/science/math as mandatory classes, most of this poo poo is retread and eats up half the day that could be spent on vocational/career training Like, lots of schools offered or still offer those electives but the fact that you had to balance them against four hours of mandatory retread AND against "fun" classes meant lots of people skipped the stuff that would teach them how to work with tools or balance their personal finances Also you shouldn't be able to take English classes in high school at all. They shouldn't just not be mandatory, they should not be available. At this point you should be diving into literature or writing, we wasted so much loving time learning insane minutae about grammar. If you want to take a language course in high school it shouldn't be your native tongue. Pepe Silvia Browne posted:In high school, I took a bunch of college classes because i was told then i would be able to do whatever i wanted in college. then I got to college and had no idea what I wanted to do because the only things I had ever tried were 101 level college math and science classes lol Yeah HS made no real effort to prepare us for specialization when specialization defines the modern economy. Generalist knowledge will only get you so far and being "well rounded" is deeply overrated Engorged Pedipalps has issued a correction as of 14:38 on May 31, 2023 |
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May 31, 2023 14:32
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Engorged Pedipalps posted:I'm convinced these models are going to be everywhere pretty soon, but the prompts aren't going to be how anyone uses them. Between the cost and the risk, it's not really worth it, and currently just enables lazy and inattentive behavior they’ll still be wrong constantly which can’t be fixed so they still will have 0 actual purpose, just like blockchain and NFTs
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May 31, 2023 14:36
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gradenko_2000 posted:here's a new one I hadn't heard before: lmao
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May 31, 2023 14:39
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I think every henry and rich kid should have five years of highschool with the fifth year spent working full time in the service industry
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May 31, 2023 14:41
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Maed posted:they’ll still be wrong constantly which can’t be fixed so they still will have 0 actual purpose, just like blockchain and NFTs If you limit the data it's working with and limit the queries it can receive (by canning prompts behind API calls) you can do a lot with this technology when it comes to working with large data sets. The usefulness of the models is already apparent. Example: you could build the data set of a llm on public permit databases, and then use that model to find all the people in your city who haven't replaced their roof in X years. Then you can know who to target to market a new roof to. The model can lie to you, but generally does so because the input the user gave it wasn't compatible with the dataset. Controlling both the input and the dataset can likely minimize or eliminate this risk.
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May 31, 2023 14:42
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Maed posted:they’ll still be wrong constantly which can’t be fixed so they still will have 0 actual purpose, just like blockchain and NFTs The thing is, many companies have business models that don't mind being wrong. Business software is already written in a "happy path first we'll fix problems later" mindset. I can't imagine an insurance company going "oh no, we accidentally rejected a claim we should have accepted" You really need to put yourself in the mind of a capitalist. The first question is "what's the risk of losing a lot of money?" and the second question is "how many people can I fire" "Does this actually work?" is so far down the list you can't even see it.
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May 31, 2023 14:43
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Mustached Demon posted:I think every henry and rich kid should have five years of highschool with the fifth year spent working full time in the service industry Taco Bells can be our re-education camps
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May 31, 2023 14:44
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Engorged Pedipalps posted:I think high school should be the cutoff point on history/science/math as mandatory classes, most of this poo poo is retread and eats up half the day that could be spent on vocational/career training the entirety of high school should be basic algebra, a second language from the choices of spanish or mandarin, and then classes on everyday finances, legal rights, and how capitalism and the government are going to repeatedly gently caress you for the rest of your life
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May 31, 2023 14:44
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Engorged Pedipalps posted:If you limit the data it's working with and limit the queries it can receive (by canning prompts behind API calls) you can do a lot with this technology when it comes to working with large data sets. The usefulness of the models is already apparent. that example can be done with a sql query why would you ever spend that much time and money on an llm? it’s a scam like all the rest
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May 31, 2023 14:46
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teaching history is a complete waste of time because we've clearly learned over the last century in particular that modern american society on the whole has never taken anything of value away from it and we're doomed to repeat ourselves until the collapse of civilization
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May 31, 2023 14:47
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ikanreed posted:The thing is, many companies have business models that don't mind being wrong. Business software is already written in a "happy path first we'll fix problems later" mindset. they already use boring old machine learning for this which actually has applications, no reason to use a llm
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May 31, 2023 14:49
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triple sulk posted:the entirety of high school should be basic algebra, a second language from the choices of spanish or mandarin, and then classes on everyday finances, legal rights, and how capitalism and the government are going to repeatedly gently caress you for the rest of your life 
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May 31, 2023 14:49
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The reason you re-learn history in 4 year cycles is because the first 4 is for the clean kid version, the second 4 is for the PG version, and the last 4 is for the PG-13 version. you have to go to college and take an interest in history to learn the R-rated version
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May 31, 2023 14:49
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triple sulk posted:the entirety of high school should be basic algebra, a second language from the choices of spanish or mandarin, and then classes on everyday finances, legal rights, and how capitalism and the government are going to repeatedly gently caress you for the rest of your life Everyone in high school should be required to operate at least one kind of tool a day A drill, a table saw, a lathe, whatever The most useful class I took in high school was a class that bridged software and engineering, it was all cnc lathes and milling machines and microcontrollers and electronics and did more to prepare me for working than all the other classes I took in high school combined A great deal of high school graduates lack the expertise to hang a picture frame. It's hosed up.
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May 31, 2023 14:50
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Biggest miss since the covid lockdowns https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1663904474430156804
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May 31, 2023 14:50
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Maed posted:that example can be done with a sql query why would you ever spend that much time and money on an llm? it’s a scam like all the rest Because the LLM can just be fed the data and do the work of a team of DBAs you'd have to pay 60-100k/yr The technology is going to be mainly used to reduce headcounts in depts like accounting and database administration that were already shrinking prior to this technology appearing. LLMs are the natural progression of this kind of automation. It's just doing to databases what databases did to spreadsheets, and what spreadsheets did to ledgers. Engorged Pedipalps has issued a correction as of 14:54 on May 31, 2023 |
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May 31, 2023 14:51
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you all are expecting way too much from schools.
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May 31, 2023 14:51
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maybe if we had a different set up with more focus on specialized schools and transportation of the diverse student body, but we don’t. we have (mostly) one-size-fits-all school districts with general curriculums
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May 31, 2023 14:52
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Engorged Pedipalps posted:Because the LLM can just be fed the data and do the work of a team of DBAs you'd have to pay 60-100k/yr you might wanna look into how much llms cost
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May 31, 2023 14:52
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SKULL.GIF posted:Biggest miss since the covid lockdowns 
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May 31, 2023 14:53
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y'all talking a lot about things that cost money better spent on a football program
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May 31, 2023 14:53
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euphronius posted:maybe if we had a different set up with more focus on specialized schools and transportation of the diverse student body, but we don’t. we have (mostly) one-size-fits-all school districts with general curriculums oh well in that case we'll keep our bullshit wishcasting set within those parameters thanks
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May 31, 2023 14:53
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Engorged Pedipalps posted:Also you shouldn't be able to take English classes in high school at all. They shouldn't just not be mandatory, they should not be available. At this point you should be diving into literature or writing, we wasted so much loving time learning insane minutae about grammar. If you want to take a language course in high school it shouldn't be your native tongue. Your high school English classes weren't just writing essays about literature? That's weird. Engorged Pedipalps posted:I mean this is kinda a great idea My school had a community service requirement. One option instead of actual community service was to go to the local police department a few times where they would just like... talk at the group. This amounted to like 6 hours in total instead of 20 or whatever the other places did, so naturally I picked it. I remember one day they set up tables with long guns and confiscated drugs and stuff to show off. It's pretty funny to think about in hindsight.
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May 31, 2023 14:55
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Maed posted:you might wanna look into how much llms cost They cost a lot to operate at scale against large prompts You can run your own model for comparatively little on hardware that would easily be available to any medium sized business (or on available cloud compute cycles that you probably already have free anyway) Chatgpt is expensive. A bespoke personal model is as expensive as you need it to be.
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May 31, 2023 14:55
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really queer Christmas posted:What have school kids ever done for me? We use their hands to clean out the inside of the f-35 engines!
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May 31, 2023 15:00
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Okuteru posted:https://twitter.com/LiYuan6/status/1663688757235548162?s=20 Can't wait for libs in this country to tut tut over these remarks while cheering neoliberals who say the same thing here.
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May 31, 2023 15:00
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euphronius posted:maybe if we had a different set up with more focus on specialized schools and transportation of the diverse student body, but we don’t. we have (mostly) one-size-fits-all school districts with general curriculums that's where charter schools step in
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May 31, 2023 15:03
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Chad Sexington posted:Your high school English classes weren't just writing essays about literature? That's weird. We did some surface level analysis of some literature, but about half the time was spent on retreading general concepts, and essay writing is not a replacement for creative or persuasive writing. My complaint with HS English is that it's a generalist course trying to do everything when we already have 8 years of generalist English knowledge under our belts. At that point it should be writing or literature, not a weird split focus. I found English distracting as hell because I was very focused on writing and well part high school lit; if id had a choice, I'd have skipped re-reading the scarlet letter for the Nth time
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May 31, 2023 15:04
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SKULL.GIF posted:Biggest miss since the covid lockdowns The ISM numbers will be a downward miss. We have conflicting data points at the moment.
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May 31, 2023 15:09
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Engorged Pedipalps posted:I mean this is kinda a great idea The primary focus would be on helping to build a sense of community and empathy towards others.
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May 31, 2023 15:10
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Engorged Pedipalps posted:I think high school should be the cutoff point on history/science/math as mandatory classes, most of this poo poo is retread and eats up half the day that could be spent on vocational/career training You need a foundation of knowledge to specialize at all and HS is supposed to deliver that. I am assuming you don't have the background in education to understand why those suggestions are bad.
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May 31, 2023 15:13
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Mr Hootington posted:There should be a required work program starting freshmen year of high school where kids are required to work 8-16 hours a week doing community services like community gardens, community kitchen, litter pickup, park upkeep, old person visitation. The jobs would rotate yearly until graduation. Not in the current usa of course.
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May 31, 2023 15:14
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Engorged Pedipalps posted:I think high school should be the cutoff point on history/science/math as mandatory classes, most of this poo poo is retread and eats up half the day that could be spent on vocational/career training shoulda just taken the AP or honors classes if you were one of these tryhard kids
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May 31, 2023 15:16
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There are a lot of states where picking up litter by the road is the court-assigned community service for misdemeanors, I think we really want to avoid making school look even more like the criminal justice system.
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