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Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
Learning is good and it should be continued after becoming an adult.

School from elementary to college is all hosed. Learning "english" or "history" is only "useless" because our lovely society made them bad on purpose.

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Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Twerk from Home posted:

There are a lot of states where picking up litter by the road is the court-assigned community service for misdemeanors, I think we really want to avoid making school look even more like the criminal justice system.

Improving your community shouldn't be a punishment.

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

Mr Hootington posted:

Improving your community shouldn't be a punishment.

the idea that picking up trash is work for losers and not something we should all help take care of is deeply internalized

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

the idea that picking up trash is work for losers and not something we should all help take care of is deeply internalized

Yes. The American society and mindset is very ill.

Pick up litter when you go to the park or on a walk friends. :)

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007
and when it's bulk trash week and our boys in yellow are out there working hard, bring em a bottle of suds!!

Father Wendigo
Sep 28, 2005
This is, sadly, more important to me than bettering myself.

https://twitter.com/interacciones/status/1663898138518642689?t=7nRENmUmHIR13RAYk7XD8A&s=19

alarumklok
Jun 30, 2012


chatbot: have you tried getting up off your couch you fat loving slob

Twerk from Home
Jan 17, 2009

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When you have bulk trash that needs to be picked up, who do y'all call in your jurisdiction?

I call the sheriff's department, because it's work for prisoners. Our waste removal doesn't handle it, prisoners do.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Willa Rogers posted:

idk ask the libs who've defended it.

deffo an eye-of-the-beholder thing that's a violation of the first, tho.

Which eye, the one that shoots an anti-magic ray or the ones that shoot elemental damage?

ranbo das
Oct 16, 2013


The class that taught me the most useful skills (basic coding) was an elective in high school, pretty much all the most bullshit classes (Spanish, English, loving Art History) gained me jack poo poo. I had to read the Great Gatsby like three different times and it sucked each time.

Engorged Pedipalps
Apr 21, 2023

Azuth0667 posted:

You need a foundation of knowledge to specialize at all and HS is supposed to deliver that. I am assuming you don't have the background in education to understand why those suggestions are bad.

You have a foundation of knowledge by the time you get to high school. You spent the prior ten years learning broad generalist knowledge. High school is an opportunity to prepare people to be adults and we are currently wasting that opportunity teaching mostly useless knowledge items to disinterested parties.

By the time someone is 18 they should be prepared to make their own decisions and understand how the world will work for them as an adult. The fact that they often don't, and that high school did not prepare them for this, is a failure of our education system.

You don't need to grind the periodic table into the head of most people: this is completely useless knowledge and if you were interested in chemistry you'd have figured that out by 9th grade enough to select the elective

mark immune
Dec 14, 2019

put the teacher in the cope cage imo
lol

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

ranbo das posted:

The class that taught me the most useful skills (basic coding) was an elective in high school, pretty much all the most bullshit classes (Spanish, English, loving Art History) gained me jack poo poo. I had to read the Great Gatsby like three different times and it sucked each time.

The class that taught me everything I actually use today in high school was not a class at all. It was a club.

First robotics is good for kids. It's like shop class, but less boring.

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


I didn't go to college until I was thirty years old and some of the generalist humanities classes I took were important in giving me a broader perspective on life. You can't really just huck all that in the trash and turn anything after 8th grade into job training if you want a population that can think on their own.

err
Apr 11, 2005

I carry my own weight no matter how heavy this shit gets...

the U.S. uses slave labor for our manual work

is the NYT going to cover that?

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009


so did they hire the staff back ?

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

fits my needs posted:

shoulda just taken the AP or honors classes if you were one of these tryhard kids

those classes suck too dumbass

alarumklok
Jun 30, 2012

euphronius posted:

so did they hire the staff back ?

lmao

webcams for christ
Nov 2, 2005

yes we should definitely be drilling rote Adulting Knowledge into 16-year-olds instead of how to critically think, solve complicated/abstract problems, and further deepen knowledge about the world and its history

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

webcams for christ posted:

yes we should definitely be drilling rote Adulting Knowledge into 16-year-olds instead of how to critically think, solve complicated/abstract problems, and further deepen knowledge about the world and its history

we're not teaching them either currently

Engorged Pedipalps
Apr 21, 2023

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

I didn't go to college until I was thirty years old and some of the generalist humanities classes I took were important in giving me a broader perspective on life. You can't really just huck all that in the trash and turn anything after 8th grade into job training if you want a population that can think on their own.

Like half of high school English and history is devoted to demonizing socialism so I would have to argue against this point

webcams for christ
Nov 2, 2005

the problem with education these days is there's too much friction between hs graduation and slotting into the labor market

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022

gradenko_2000 posted:

here's a new one I hadn't heard before:



countries are lying about their GDP growth because their lights at night are too dim to match up with their claims, as observed by a satellite

lmao

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007
i think it's that we have removed any connection to whether what we're doing is good or useful and instead focus on how much money can be made off of the process of children having to go to school

Engorged Pedipalps
Apr 21, 2023

webcams for christ posted:

yes we should definitely be drilling rote Adulting Knowledge into 16-year-olds instead of how to critically think, solve complicated/abstract problems, and further deepen knowledge about the world and its history

I learned about the civil war four years in a row and half of that knowledge has been disproven or brought into question by modern scholars in the following decades

I loved history in high school and it was my favorite course, but it has done me the least actual good in life, and is in reflection, the single largest waste of time for me in education. If I had spent that time in shop class I would have come away with useful skills that lasted me for my entire life, instead of a half baked and deeply propagandized understanding of the history of American conflict

webcams for christ
Nov 2, 2005

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

i think it's that we have removed any connection to whether what we're doing is good or useful and instead focus on how much money can be made off of the process of children having to go to school

this is absolutely a huge part of it agreed

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022

Engorged Pedipalps posted:

You have a foundation of knowledge by the time you get to high school. You spent the prior ten years learning broad generalist knowledge. High school is an opportunity to prepare people to be adults and we are currently wasting that opportunity teaching mostly useless knowledge items to disinterested parties.

By the time someone is 18 they should be prepared to make their own decisions and understand how the world will work for them as an adult. The fact that they often don't, and that high school did not prepare them for this, is a failure of our education system.

You don't need to grind the periodic table into the head of most people: this is completely useless knowledge and if you were interested in chemistry you'd have figured that out by 9th grade enough to select the elective

lol goons

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

There's a lot of harmful and useless things you learn in school but basic chemistry is not one of them.

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool

Cpt_Obvious posted:

There's a lot of harmful and useless things you learn in school but basic chemistry is not one of them.

we'd never have the albuquerque meth empire otherwise

webcams for christ
Nov 2, 2005

Engorged Pedipalps posted:

I learned about the civil war four years in a row and half of that knowledge has been disproven or brought into question by modern scholars in the following decades

I loved history in high school and it was my favorite course, but it has done me the least actual good in life, and is in reflection, the single largest waste of time for me in education. If I had spent that time in shop class I would have come away with useful skills that lasted me for my entire life, instead of a half baked and deeply propagandized understanding of the history of American conflict

ok fair I agree that there's not at all enough emphasis forms of learning other than symbolic, like this post points to

Engorged Pedipalps posted:

A great deal of high school graduates lack the expertise to hang a picture frame. It's hosed up.

it is unfair to assume that learning skills like this should be exclusively consigned to the private home family life in a just society

e: but you don't help your argument by making GBS threads on the periodic table or your specific history teacher

SirPablo
May 1, 2004

Pillbug
Pepe show me where School hurt you

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

SirPablo posted:

Pepe show me where School hurt you

i think that public education can and should be better because we've spent half a century defunding it and intentionally making it as bad as possible

SirPablo
May 1, 2004

Pillbug

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

i think that public education can and should be better because we've spent half a century defunding it and intentionally making it as bad as possible

And that's the periodic table's fault.

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007
is this the part where i have to say "my mom and sister are teachers" so that my opinion is okay to have or is it only CHUDs that can say our school systems are hosed

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

SirPablo posted:

And that's the periodic table's fault.

i'm not the one talking about the periodic table

webcams for christ
Nov 2, 2005

Pepe hasn't posted anything itt about the periodic table

efb

err
Apr 11, 2005

I carry my own weight no matter how heavy this shit gets...
only $58 billion, not bad tbh

https://twitter.com/financialjuice/status/1663916159912095747

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

is this the part where i have to say "my mom and sister are teachers" so that my opinion is okay to have or is it only CHUDs that can say our school systems are hosed

Welcome to Chudsville pepe

SirPablo
May 1, 2004

Pillbug

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

is this the part where i have to say "my mom and sister are teachers" so that my opinion is okay to have or is it only CHUDs that can say our school systems are hosed

Yes.

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

i'm not the one talking about the periodic table

My mistake. (Public education byproduct.)

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Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007
i should've stuck with my initial impulse to call you a fuckin idiot

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