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basicblack posted:https://www.cnn.com/travel/sherpas-pass-up-everest-summit-in-order-to-rescue-missing-climber/index.html Amazed they managed to convince the climber they were escorting that saving the dying mountaineer was more important than the summit. Lots of times climbers get summit fever and will push on past people who are not doing good in order to drive for the summit.
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Jun 1, 2023 17:38
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Wait was that the guy a few days ago "Below the Hillary Step" that some people saw, reported it back at camp, and then they looked out and couldn't find him? Or is this the other climber that was recently lost? Or someone else completely? Either way, incredible rescue, good on The Sherpa, and glad the client was understanding that a life was more important than them proving how inspired they were or whatever. It sounds like additional people helped the rescue as they got lower, but I'm giving 99% of the credit to the Sherpa for saying "no, we need to do this".
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Jun 1, 2023 17:46
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Chaosfeather posted:Wait was that the guy a few days ago "Below the Hillary Step" that some people saw, reported it back at camp, and then they looked out and couldn't find him? Or is this the other climber that was recently lost? Or someone else completely?
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Chaosfeather posted:Wait was that the guy a few days ago "Below the Hillary Step" that some people saw, reported it back at camp, and then they looked out and couldn't find him? Or is this the other climber that was recently lost? Or someone else completely? different climber. the guy at the step is absolutely gone. (was an accomplished hungarian climber doing a no o2 attempt named szilard) the article I linked mentioned multiple rescues going on every single day. ethanol fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Jun 1, 2023 |
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Jun 1, 2023 17:56
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ethanol posted:They flew them up to camp 2 from base camp and started from there apparently. These guys were already rescuing people last week. Seems they want a challenge? I dunno. It's definitely risky I'm at goon level of physical fitness, but I'm pretty sure that's cheating.
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Jun 1, 2023 18:08
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ewe2 posted:New rule: you don't get to summit until you've taken down some trash. No I don't care if it's your first time, call it an acclimatization run. Maybe it'll put them off and save lives (who am I kidding, half of them will fall off the edge picking up a gas bottle). This is already the case. National Geographic posted:They also started a deposit initiative, which has been running since 2014. Anyone visiting Mount Everest has to pay a $4,000 deposit, and the money is refunded if the person returns with eight kilograms (18 pounds) of garbage—the avegae amount that a single person produces during the climb.
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Jun 1, 2023 18:33
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ethanol posted:different climber. the guy at the step is absolutely gone. (was an accomplished hungarian climber doing a no o2 attempt named szilard) Ah drat, I saw that they mentioned multiple rescues I just didn't know who the other guy was. Was kinda hoping he'd get found again.
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Jun 1, 2023 18:49
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ethanol posted:https://www.alanarnette.com/blog/2023/05/30/everest-2023-an-end-to-a-tough-season/ Thank you for posting, this is an excellent read.
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what's kind of startling to me is that all those climbing permits are supposed to be "a lot of money" for Nepal, but... quote:Government officials say they will not issue any more Everest climbing permits this season, stopping at a record of 478. The previous Everest record was 408 for the 2021 season of 408. Nepal issued climbing permits for 1,176 climbers from 80 countries for 27 peaks. Looking at Everest only, China has the largest representation with 97 members, followed by the US at 89, India–at 40, Canada-21, and Russia-20. There are 44 countries represented by three or fewer climbers. Less than six million dollars? I know Nepal is a very poor country, but on the scale of government, that's pocket change. I think the "various personal pockets" is the key thing here, this is a source of revenue for bribes to corrupt officials, as opposed to the state government of Nepal actually depending on six million dollars. Nepal's government spending about $3B (source), so if the government actually collected and spent 100% of those fees, that'd be about two tenths of a percent of government spending if I did my math right. There's got to be more revenues than just from the permits, obviously. The guide companies likely have to pay a bunch of money in taxes? The summiting operation at everest probably subsidizes to some extent the attraction and traffic to and through everest base camp. Still, even if we assume ten times as much revenues from follow-on stuff, it's still a tiny amount of the government's overall spending.
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5.8 million / 478 permits = It costs around $12,000 for a permit? That seems insultingly low. And that's a fraction of the cost for guides, gear, travel, food, etc. Nepal could easily improve safety by increasing the cost significantly and decreasing total climbers. You have to imagine that the price elasticity for a Everest climbing permit is high.
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Jun 1, 2023 23:21
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Alan Smithee posted:No there’s a Mt Everest zipline Need one between K2 and Broad Peak.
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Jun 1, 2023 23:25
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Buy 1 get 1 free. Reach the top of K2 and we'll throw in Broad Peak for free.
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ethanol posted:I heard they tried to implement this exact thing before. Not sure how far it got, if it got past basic planning or whatever. people were pissed that it had to be a Nepal mountain so was more about profit than climbing experience If Nepal were a Western nation, it would be considered justified because of course countries can demand that things be demonstrated in their territory, under their supervision. Sometimes immigrants or people on work visas get reciprocity for education and work experience, but sometimes they have to do a whole lot of stuff over in their new home, and we accept that. FDA wants trials of drugs and medical devices to be conducted on Americans, and no one bats an eye at that.
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Jun 1, 2023 23:44
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Arsenic Lupin posted:
They probably pay more than that to shave eight kilograms off gear weight.
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Jun 1, 2023 23:46
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Given how many people have paid to summit Everest at this point, giving up your own dream to summit in order to save a life might be the better human interest story that you can get paid to talk about, stealing all the Sherpa valor in the process.
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Atlas Hugged posted:Given how many people have paid to summit Everest at this point, giving up your own dream to summit in order to save a life might be the better human interest story that you can get paid to talk about, stealing all the Sherpa valor in the process. A good case for more mountaineering snobbery. Oh great, another out-of-shape schmuck I have to ditch my summit bid for or else he dies.
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Jun 2, 2023 02:37
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First cis white male account manager to commit a truly selfless act and abandon a summit attempt to save a human life.
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Dude who abandoned his attempt was Chinese White CEO would never abandon that glory Point taken though
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ante posted:Dude who abandoned his attempt was Chinese Honestly, saved a man’s life while climbing Everest sounds like a much better story than summited Everest. Maybe not in some circles though
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Silver John posted:Honestly, saved a man’s life while climbing Everest sounds like a much better story than summited Everest. Maybe not in some circles though I'm going to start a service: For every life you save on Everest, you get a free ride to the summit via drone. You earned it, buddy. edit; changed my mind. It's now a 10% discount.
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Chrpno posted:What's lungma? Lungma balls!!!! Lamo gottem
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saved a person's life, by giving your porter permission to save their life instead of continuing to haul your rear end to the summit; heroically followed the person you're paying $20 a day as they literally lifted another adult human onto their back and walked down the icy sheer face of the world's highest mountain truly an inspiring story
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Cantorsdust posted:5.8 million / 478 permits = It costs around $12,000 for a permit? That seems insultingly low. And that's a fraction of the cost for guides, gear, travel, food, etc. Nepal could easily improve safety by increasing the cost significantly and decreasing total climbers. You have to imagine that the price elasticity for a Everest climbing permit is high. From the information I’ve found, it looks like a permit for climbing Everest from the Tibetan side is around $10K total. If the Nepalese government priced itself much higher than that, it’s possible we’d see a lot more people try (and fail) to summit via the north route instead.
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Alan did a complete break down of the total cost to climb Everest. https://www.alanarnette.com/blog/2023/02/02/how-much-does-it-cost-to-climb-mount-everest-2023-edition/ You can find the permit cost in there. Comrade Koba posted:From the information I’ve found, it looks like a permit for climbing Everest from the Tibetan side is around $10K total. If the Nepalese government priced itself much higher than that, it’s possible we’d see a lot more people try (and fail) to summit via the north route instead. No I don't think so. You need to prove you climbed a 8000+ mountain before you are allowed to climb from the Tibet side. For that reason a lot of Chinese climbers go via Nepal.
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Mynameismud posted:Alan did a complete break down of the total cost to climb Everest. Don’t sleep on a Bluetooth speaker for your tunes and podcasts
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Mynameismud posted:Alan did a complete break down of the total cost to climb Everest. They really need to implement the 8000+ barrier on the Nepalese side too tbh, would be less dead climbers I think. A lot of the dead folks are people whose first trip to 8000+ meters is Everest.
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https://www.cnn.com/videos/travel/2023/06/02/rescue-mount-everest-climber-sherpa-freezing-mwrmx-cprog-vpx.cnn Yesterday's article, now as video. Also, JFC...
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Mynameismud posted:Alan did a complete break down of the total cost to climb Everest. quote:The age of the average climber is growing. In 2008, the age group between 20 and 29 dominated those who summited at 29%. By 2019, the last ‘typical’ year on Everest, i.e., pre-pandemic, that group shrank to 13%, and the 40 to 49 group swelled to 32%. By the way, the 50 to 59 ‘old-timers’ went from 7% to 16% in that same timeframe! Also, female climbers have grown dramatically, with 14% of the 2008 summiters being female to 24% in 2019. 
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orange juche posted:They really need to implement the 8000+ barrier on the Nepalese side too tbh, would be less dead climbers I think. A lot of the dead folks are people whose first trip to 8000+ meters is Everest. Googles “easiest 8000m mountain.” Books porters for Cho Oyu. Comedy option: start with K2.
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Platystemon posted:Googles “easiest 8000m mountain.” "Cho Oyu is considered the easiest eight-thousander, with the lowest death-summit ratio (1⁄25th of Annapurna's). It is the second most climbed eight-thousander after Everest (whose height makes it the most popular), and has over four times the ascents of the third most popular eight-thousander, Gasherbrum II. It is marketed as a "trekking peak", achievable for climbers with high fitness, but low mountaineering experience." unironically, yeah, people wanting to climb 8000+ peaks probably should start with Cho Oyu. It's even about 20km away from Everest so you can get some amazing pictures of Everest from the summit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3cT2Cl2bsg It also helps teach people important things about climbing ultra-high peaks, like Acute Mountain Sickness/HAPE/HACE and the effects of oxygen deprivation on your body, how the weather affects the climb, etc. orange juche fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Jun 3, 2023 |
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Platystemon posted:Googles “easiest 8000m mountain.” Not sure Cho Oyu is going to solve the old people problem (or solve it too well) quote:2009 Clifton Maloney, husband of US Representative Carolyn Maloney and at that time the oldest American to summit an eight-thousander,[21] died at age 71 after summiting on 25 September. His final words were "I’m the happiest man in the world. I’ve just summited a beautiful mountain."
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orange juche posted:unironically, yeah, people wanting to climb 8000+ peaks probably should start with Cho Oyu. Couch to 8k it is!
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"Easiest 8000m mountain" sounds kind of like "fattest Olympic marathon runner". Sure there are gradations within the category, but in the grand scheme of things it's a pretty elite group no matter what.
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Everyone at the club will make fun of you for climbing Cho Oyu.
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Platystemon posted:Couch to 8k it is! It will take a while to get there and pretty significant money, but you can do it. It takes about 9 months to a year of focused training, 5-6 days a week to get into the kind of shape you need to summit an 8000+, but it's doable as long as you don't have any medical conditions that would expressly preclude climbing, like a loving pacemaker lol. That said, trekking companies won't take you on as a client unless you have prior 7000+ summit experience anyways, along with having multiple summits of mountains in general. You can still try to get a permit and climb without support of a trekking company, and then people will have a new set of boots to pass by on their way up the mountain. orange juche fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Jun 3, 2023 |
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Platystemon posted:Everyone at the club will make fun of you for climbing Cho Oyu. As someone who hails from the Appalachian chain, I feel confident in saying that an extra 250-500m climb is no big deal. I could probably do that before breakfast.
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fez_machine posted:Not sure Cho Oyu is going to solve the old people problem (or solve it too well) Honestly, there's worse ways to go.
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gohuskies posted:Honestly, there's worse ways to go. Yeah, at least he went out on top.
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basicblack posted:https://www.cnn.com/videos/travel/2023/06/02/rescue-mount-everest-climber-sherpa-freezing-mwrmx-cprog-vpx.cnn Holy poo poo they literally Death Strandinged someone
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