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I mean what is the advantage of Chatgpt versus simply another online resource beyond some convenience? I don't think it is particularly good about raw facts/information versus even wikipedia and I don't think it is great about prose for longer than a paragraph before it falls apart. It seems like you could get most of your code information from other resources as well and you may actually figure out what is going on rather than cut and pasting and hoping that it works. I mean it is probably acceptable for some very low rent tasks, but otherwise, it seems like a human with some effort could do much better.
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Jun 3, 2023 14:24
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Ardennes posted:I mean what is the advantage of Chatgpt versus simply another online resource beyond some convenience? I don't think it is particularly good about raw facts/information versus even wikipedia and I don't think it is great about prose for longer than a paragraph before it falls apart. It seems like you could get most of your code information from other resources as well and you may actually figure out what is going on rather than cut and pasting and hoping that it works. it owns if ur job is sending emails and reading emails because its lets u cut the first half out almost entirely
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Jun 3, 2023 14:28
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tristeham posted:stfu tristeham posted:drat you're a loving idiot
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Jun 3, 2023 14:32
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i had the chat gpt robut make me a resume + cover letter and when i was in the interview i was using the gpt on my phone to answer all the interviewers questions and not only did i get the job i now own the company
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Jun 3, 2023 14:42
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Yeah, it seems like most of what chatgpt just could be done with some cut and pasting of existing documents, idgi.
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Jun 3, 2023 14:43
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/ajay_pdx/status/1664732521962287105?t=2LLBzbUWIvjiOZZu27mzmw&s=19 a bunch of democrat governors allowed those p.e. ghouls who own nursing homes to write their emergency orders during covid & the ghouls put in indemnity clauses that exempted their liability for malfeasance that occurred even before covid. and the for-profit care homes are the only ones who take Medicaid; the non-profit ones are those that charge like $10k/month.
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Jun 3, 2023 14:51
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One for-profit chain in IL that had each of its care homes under a different LLC took out like $50 million in various PPP "loans" while it was busy killing grannies.
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Jun 3, 2023 14:53
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Ardennes posted:I mean what is the advantage of Chatgpt versus simply another online resource beyond some convenience? I don't think it is particularly good about raw facts/information versus even wikipedia and I don't think it is great about prose for longer than a paragraph before it falls apart. It seems like you could get most of your code information from other resources as well and you may actually figure out what is going on rather than cut and pasting and hoping that it works. It sounds plausible, people think it's an expert system instead of a sentence synthesizer.
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Jun 3, 2023 14:57
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shrike82 posted:the past 14 years (since GFC) have been a bonanza for almost any form of "normie" investing This is also true for people not in their 30s-40s; anyone who's had the ability to invest is in a good place if they weren't dumbasses about it. As the saying goes "It takes money to make money." And the corollary to that is:
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Jun 3, 2023 15:09
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Too bad for you if you were one of the folks who didn’t have leftover money, though.
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Jun 3, 2023 15:15
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err posted:Same energy
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Jun 3, 2023 15:26
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UKJeff posted:Is that normal? $6000 roi on 8 rental properties? I figured it would be higher, that’s not much at all I'm sure I've gotten beaten to the punch, but nobody will lend you a bunch of low-interest money to buy stocks. Rental profit margins are really slim right after you buy the places with all that borrowed money, and increase over time because rents go up but mortgage costs are fixed.
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Jun 3, 2023 15:39
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Yeah also the underlying asset is unlikely to lose value, unlike stocks. And rental income is pretty much tax-free thanks to depreciation.
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Jun 3, 2023 15:49
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Twerk from Home posted:I'm sure I've gotten beaten to the punch, but nobody will lend you a bunch of low-interest money to buy stocks. The problem is that you're also tied into a specific asset, and you need to get a high rate of return to make it worth it. I was looking around some properties in San Jose on a lark, and a lot of them are selling now way below their "Z" price and for around where it was in 2017-18 despite a huge amount of inflation since then. That said, it was a least, a house, the condos have done even worse, and they are loaded with a bunch of HOA fees that take away most of the benefit of owning the property. You got to be careful even if it seems like a great deal. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 16:04 on Jun 3, 2023 |
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Jun 3, 2023 15:50
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Lmao if you haven't become a landlord yet. It is a form of communism.
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Jun 3, 2023 16:01
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blatman posted:it owns if ur job is sending emails and reading emails because its lets u cut the first half out almost entirely It’s this. But as I was saying, if you’ve ever received a form letter or one dictated to a secretary, it was ever thus.
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Jun 3, 2023 16:02
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Frosted Flake posted:It’s this. But as I was saying, if you’ve ever received a form letter or one dictated to a secretary, it was ever thus. most businesses practices like that have been disappearing as non admin employees absorb admin tasks. so the secretary would have had a spread sheet with standardized language for regular emails to each client, like sending invoices out. but she retires and they don’t replace her. The employee now doing the task just doesn’t even know the work could be automated simply and types each of those suckers out every time. there are a lot of little boring things like that have been falling out of practice. for the file records are another big one that nearly nobody does anymore. it’s almost like all labor is skilled labor.
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Jun 3, 2023 16:20
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Willa Rogers posted:a bunch of democrat governors allowed those p.e. ghouls who own nursing homes to write their emergency orders during covid & the ghouls put in indemnity clauses that exempted their liability for malfeasance that occurred even before covid. My rudimentary understanding on this issue is that you do not want to be in a nursing home funded at the level that Medicaid pays out, the reason being that the quality of care will be very poor. To have a chance at a good quality of life you really need to be in the type of home that costs more than >$10000 per month, as unaffordable as that is. Is this correct? Makes sense that you generally don't want to be in a for-profit elder care setting at all if you can avoid it. Esp during a pandemic or even just a bad flu year.
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Jun 3, 2023 16:20
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Ardennes posted:So as far as Chatgpt 4 goes, how many people have actually used it for complicated code, and what are the results? there was a decent post on hn iirc that summed it up well, saying that it's like managing a junior programmer. you can get it to scaffold code but there's still a ton of editing you need to do. mostly it's good for writing generic algorithms so you don't have to think about it or potentially gently caress it up. it has zero sense of context otherwise really since it can't think abstractly.
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Jun 3, 2023 16:31
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The more I look at home sales, the more I wonder how robust the housing market actually is on the West Coast. I am starting to see a lot of places sitting on the market and prices consistently dropping in several major markets. I wonder if a crash is actually silently happening, but there just aren't enough sales completed for the aggregate data to show that much change. triple sulk posted:there was a decent post on hn iirc that summed it up well, saying that it's like managing a junior programmer. you can get it to scaffold code but there's still a ton of editing you need to do. mostly it's good for writing generic algorithms so you don't have to think about it or potentially gently caress it up. it has zero sense of context otherwise really since it can't think abstractly. It seems more time saving than anything since someone actually does need to go back in there, check it, and then make the appropriate changes. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 16:37 on Jun 3, 2023 |
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Jun 3, 2023 16:34
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Nocturtle posted:My rudimentary understanding on this issue is that you do not want to be in a nursing home funded at the level that Medicaid pays out, the reason being that the quality of care will be very poor. To have a chance at a good quality of life you really need to be in the type of home that costs more than >$10000 per month, as unaffordable as that is. Is this correct? Yeah; the for-profits accept Medicaid bc there's money in nos. & they stint on staffing ratios & staffing pay. Medicare pays for 3 weeks of "rehab" (aka "skilled nursing") stay after a hospitalization, if needed, and the for-profits are all over that as well (they're usually the same places as the nursing homes), but they prolly get higher reimbursements than that from Medicaid.
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Jun 3, 2023 16:34
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Ardennes posted:So as far as Chatgpt 4 goes, how many people have actually used it for complicated code, and what are the results? It seems useful to me for starting some hobby project from scratch. At work I can't even come up with a useful question most of the time because it would require copy pasting some of our code into the prompt which would probably get me in trouble.
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Jun 3, 2023 16:35
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Bar Ran Dun posted:most businesses practices like that have been disappearing as non admin employees absorb admin tasks. so the secretary would have had a spread sheet with standardized language for regular emails to each client, like sending invoices out. but she retires and they don’t replace her. The employee now doing the task just doesn’t even know the work could be automated simply and types each of those suckers out every time. there are a lot of little boring things like that have been falling out of practice. for the file records are another big one that nearly nobody does anymore. That’s a really good point that I wouldn’t have thought of.
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Jun 3, 2023 16:38
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I hope I'm never old in America.
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Jun 3, 2023 16:39
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it's cool how the main financial motivator in my life is to have a big enough war chest to not have to die slowly in a managed care facility savre all your money now! invest! prepare! ...or else
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Jun 3, 2023 16:41
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Animal-Mother posted:I hope I'm never old in America.
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Jun 3, 2023 16:42
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The rural healthcare apocalypse continues apace, and the news is painting this as fine, you can just go to the city for healthcare. https://www.post-gazette.com/busine...es/202306040105 quote:Researchers say take rural patients to urban doctors for better outcomes
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Jun 3, 2023 16:50
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Ardennes posted:The more I look at home sales, the more I wonder how robust the housing market actually is on the West Coast. I am starting to see a lot of places sitting on the market and prices consistently dropping in several major markets. I wonder if a crash is actually silently happening, but there just aren't enough sales completed for the aggregate data to show that much change. i tried it out a bit and some things were helpful but ultimately i realized i still had to write actual code. it's hard to quantify the ways in which it saves time. if i had to say, it's probably with getting concrete examples of language or API usage (the latter being a mixed bag since it's still often wrong and calling libraries or APIs that don't exist), just because docs are often not good and it's hard to decipher usage of said things
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Jun 3, 2023 16:50
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:The rural healthcare apocalypse continues apace, and the news is painting this as fine, you can just go to the city for healthcare.
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Jun 3, 2023 16:52
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cat botherer posted:45% percent of care for Altoona is done out of town? Yikes, it's a decent size place, not some isolated hollow. My wife's grandma is in Johnstown and she has to be driven here this month to have some melanoma removed from her nose. poo poo is getting dire even in places like that, or Altoona.
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Jun 3, 2023 16:56
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Ardennes posted:I mean what is the advantage of Chatgpt versus simply another online resource beyond some convenience? I don't think it is particularly good about raw facts/information versus even wikipedia and I don't think it is great about prose for longer than a paragraph before it falls apart. It seems like you could get most of your code information from other resources as well and you may actually figure out what is going on rather than cut and pasting and hoping that it works. When your baseline capability is zero basic NLP tasks can be bashed at the fraction of the cost otherwise. I've had to pass several thousand docs through the API for feature extraction, NER, tagging and text summarization and the sample results definitely have utility, but not the QA level of a human performing the task. That said, processing the docs is like a $10 spot versus paying someone a couple of weeks or more to just read through all that text. If you wanted to try and program something up yourself there could be dependencies in your office around security, compute resourcing, etc and all the bureaucratic meetings with the cost of time that goes into it plus whatever ongoing maintenance of the resulting architecture. Simple tasks can add up for orgs in certain situations. Or you can roll with an LLM's API if permitted given your task and data sensitivity. I wouldn't really rely on ChatGPT for thoroughly generative tasks. That said if you need help dumbing down a concept to a lay audience and writing is not your bag it will give you something to work with provided you understand the output relative to your ask. I've had it help when translating between programming languages to get me pointed in the right direction, but getting working code out of the gate is a totally mixed bag unless you're asking a purely documentary function in which case ChatGPT is irrelevant. I see recommended vids touting ChatGPT building a video game or whatever and I have a hard time believing that. That's truly hype or prompt engineering is a real field. You can fine tune the garbage generated, and work with what's left, but that depends on being able to recognize the garbage in the first place and a lot of users won't.
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Jun 3, 2023 17:16
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Yeah, I've heard the "Well, they have all my data anyway; who cares?" argument several times before on other websites. The thought that maybe, just maybe, companies shouldn't surveil us 24/7/365 never crosses these people's minds. To be fair to them, though, we all long ago traded privacy to corporations for convenience. I mean if you have a phone and/or use social media and/or use gmail and/or etc etc etc the cats out of the bag. I do generally avoid smart products when I can have an alternative but getting companies to not spy on you is going to take top down legislative action (so not going to happen) not something you can realistically avoid with individual consumer choices in the modern age.
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Jun 3, 2023 17:29
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PoundSand posted:I mean if you have a phone and/or use social media and/or use gmail and/or etc etc etc the cats out of the bag. You don't even need to use Facebook to have a Facebook profile, you just need to know people who do.
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Jun 3, 2023 17:31
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/ajay_pdx/status/1664732521962287105?t=2LLBzbUWIvjiOZZu27mzmw&s=19 the full book review article is an INCREDIBLE read https://prospect.org/culture/books/2023-06-02-days-of-plunder-morgenson-rosner-ballou-review/
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Jun 3, 2023 17:37
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https://twitter.com/Arnold_Ventures/status/1664341044769464340?t=7gayh301NRdpnoGCvyW67Q&s=19
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Jun 3, 2023 17:40
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Ardennes posted:I mean what is the advantage of Chatgpt versus simply another online resource beyond some convenience? I don't think it is particularly good about raw facts/information versus even wikipedia and I don't think it is great about prose for longer than a paragraph before it falls apart. It seems like you could get most of your code information from other resources as well and you may actually figure out what is going on rather than cut and pasting and hoping that it works. ChatGPT has three big advantages IMO: 1. It can remember context. So while you have a conversation with it, it can build upon what you (or it) said previously to give you more correct/detailed/nuanced answers. So for example you can say "how can I do X?" and it gives a response, then you say "okay, but what about Y?" and it says "if you want to do that, you can do it slightly differently, but you should also keep in mind that in order to do Y while also doing X, you need to..." 2. It has access to a much larger body of knowledge than any human or even a group of humans. 3. It's instant. Whereas with a site like Stackoverflow you have to ask a question and then wait for someone to answer (sometimes for days), with ChatGPT you can immediately get over whatever hurdle is in your way, which can be important for certain tasks. Don't get me wrong, it's not perfect by any means, but the experience I had with it last week showed me how can be a major leg up for anyone who knows how to use it, and also knows how to recognize potentially erroneous or misleading answers. Slow News Day has issued a correction as of 17:45 on Jun 3, 2023 |
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Jun 3, 2023 17:42
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Slow News Day posted:ChatGPT has three big advantages IMO: i know the spirit of your post already acknowledged this but its worth reiterating that the major disadvantage is that wrong answers look a heck of a lot like right answers
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Jun 3, 2023 17:47
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Hubbert posted:the full book review article is an INCREDIBLE read I couldn't actually stomach the PetSmart stuff. I hate seeing animals in distress. I couldn't even finish a book about Napoleon in Russia because of all the dying horses.
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Jun 3, 2023 17:49
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That is the thing it is fast (relative speaking) and can give…some type of answer, the question sorting what it gives you and then making sure it is the right answer. I got to say in any non-fiction prose it gives out is usually completely useless or comes out with completely off the wall arguments because it has no way to contextualize what it saying. Also, in a lot of fields, it seems it’s base of knowledge is really limited or fragmentary.
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Jun 3, 2023 17:54
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Slow News Day posted:ChatGPT has three big advantages IMO: it struggles with context in code 1. i ask for code based on a given scenario 2. it gives me some with a library/api that doesn't exist or cannot be used in the way it's trying to (server-side node applications versus client-side react) 3. i tell it to not use that library and it gives me other code 4. i then ask for further changes and it goes back to using the original library/api in point 2 5. i tell it to never use that library/api again 6. it still uses it on future changes this could be with 3.5 or 4. it's not very good past a certain point
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