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Pseudoscorpion posted:I liked it, though not as much as the first which I saw in theaters like four times. Absolute visual feast, we old-school Marvel trash ate good, but also the movie was real dense with plot hooks and there was a lot of cruft that could have easily been cut out to make it a one-part experience. I'm gonna curious to see how they pad out the runtime for the next part considering they could have wrapped up this part nice and neat with another twenty, thirty minutes of movie, max. When you say plot hole, gotta explain it. To see if it was a subjective expectation or an actual thing.
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Darko posted:When you say plot hole, gotta explain it. To see if it was a subjective expectation or an actual thing. They said Plot Hooks
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The main conflict seemed a little contrived if it’s actually real and not Miguel’s weird coping mechanism that he’s forced on everyone. Movie was beautiful but I wasn’t really feeling the actual plot
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mutantIke posted:considering what's happening in the ASM comics right now, it's hard not to interpret this movie as a giant middle finger to the Marvel editorial board i am speechless at that they did to Peter Parker's character
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Jun 3, 2023 05:29
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Can someone explain what’s happening in the comics world for someone who is not even remotely up to date with the comics or any of the drama with the editorial board?
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Can someone explain what’s happening in the comics world for someone who is not even remotely up to date with the comics or any of the drama with the editorial board? About fifteen years or so back, I'm not looking it up, Marvel retconned Peter and MJ's marriage out of existence when Aunt May got shot and Peter made a deal with the devil -- as in, he actually went down to Hell and made an agreement with the devil -- to save her in exchange for his marriage. This was done because something something actual reason, comics writers at the time were sorta surfing a zeitgeist of "oh GOD are we getting old??? I thought we were immune to this poo poo, gently caress gently caress gently caress revert everything back to the status quo when we were 15, maybe that'll fix it, fuuuuuuuck". Move was not terribly popular and Peter and MJ have sorta danced around each other ever since, depending on the writer. Last guy writing Spider-Man ended a very well recieved run with Peter and MJ, while not remarried, in a committed relationship. New guy takes over, does a six month timeskip, and makes it so Peter and MJ have broken up, Spider-Man is a pariah in the superhero community, MJ has hooked up with some new rando, and they have two children who look to be 5-8 years old. The intent was that this would hook everyone on the mystery of "oh man what happened in the intervening time???", actual result was massive fan backlash because there is such a thing as taking the "ol' Parker luck"/"editorial mandate that Peter Parker can never be happy" thing too far and this was way over the line, and also the rando and the kids were obvious lame ducks who might as well have had I'M GONNA GET RETCONNED OUT OF EXISTENCE painted on their foreheads from their first appearances. The eventual explanation was given and it was that MJ got sucked into a Something Portal, Peter needed a thingie from the Fantastic Four to save her, rather than asking for it because he is, y'know, a long-time friend of the family, honorary member of the team, and has in fact been on the Four himself multiple times, he decided to break into the Baxter Building and steal it, and then kick the poo poo out of the entire Avengers, including Captain America, when they tried to stop him. But then it turned out that inside the portal was one of those time dilation dealies and it had been years for MJ, and she'd given up on being rescued and formed a relationship with Random Guy, and maybe those were her actual biological kids with him and maybe they were adopted because they were also trapped in the portal, who knows right?????? In either the most recent or one of the most recent issues of Spider-Man, the kids disappeared from reality (I dunno why, I dropped that run like a hot rock along with everyone else), and the comics fandom reacted by celebrating the deaths of two children.
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Jun 3, 2023 07:03
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Comic books are the stupidest poo poo.
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Jun 3, 2023 07:38
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Comic books rule. If not for them, we wouldn't have Peter Parkedcar.
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CapnAndy posted:Well, you literally asked for it! Don’t forget that they teased ‘the most shocking death in a Spider-Man comic since The Night Gwen Stacy Died’, only for it to be Ms. Marvel, who while being one of the most beloved of Marvel’s recent characters alongside Miles and Spider-Gwen, was barely in the run (having appeared in 12 pages of a 25 issue run before the issue she died) and a lot of people suspect the death is intended solely so she can be resurrected as a mutant with her light powers in time for The Marvels (also co-written by the writer of this run!) But far more important than the failings of the comics, the movie’s really good. It was great to see Spider-Ham and Noir back for the Web Warriors, along with Peni in her new comics accurate mecha. Putting them on the back burner makes sense now that we know they’re going to playing a bigger role in Beyond The Spider-Verse. And we also got the new Web Warriors who also are great (with Mayday being the best granted I’m a huge Spider-Girl fan, and Spider-Punk being a close second. And Pavitr and Spider-Byte also amazing. I’m excited to see all of them. I guess technically this film explains how Toomes ended up in the Sonyverse (although not how he got his gear back). Presumably Miguel grabbed him and stuffed him in the go-home machine right after that post credits scene.
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Communist Thoughts posted:Considering the length of the film I was surprised when it just abruptly ended what felt like about 30 mins from a pretty standard superhero movie climax I was the same - the abrupt ending really caught me off guard and the thought the “Miles will return..” thing was a joke and the punchline was gonna be “Right now, to actually end this movie!” Still had a blast - so many fun moments. Loved the Indian Spider-man and his amazing hair.
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On the plus side, it’s (currently) less than a year until the next one!
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Ha yeah luckily there was a nerd in the row behind us who stood up right after the ending and announced to everyone that the next movie was coming out in March or something.
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Jun 3, 2023 11:45
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i saw the film. the film is very good
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One more thing about the comics: The guy who cucked Peter is named Paul and he is built like a loving tank. He has been a massive punchline for comic fans for the past few months
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Jun 3, 2023 14:49
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hatty posted:The main conflict seemed a little contrived if it’s actually real and not Miguel’s weird coping mechanism that he’s forced on everyone. Movie was beautiful but I wasn’t really feeling the actual plot I wonder if Superior Spider-Man would've been a better fit for Miguel's role, slavish devotion to an initial hypothesis has always been Otto's thing more. Unless that's going to be the twist for the third movie
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Jun 3, 2023 14:49
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Really appreciate this movie's writers establishing MCU is actually not 616. Nice to see writers understand the multiverse
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Spacebump posted:Really appreciate this movie's writers establishing MCU is actually not 616. Nice to see writers understand the multiverse I got kind of mad when Dr Strange or Spider-man or whatever said the MCU was 616. It was just a whole misunderstanding of the whole point of a multiverse to such a dumb level that I couldn't belive it got filmed.
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Darko posted:I got kind of mad when Dr Strange or Spider-man or whatever said the MCU was 616. It was just a whole misunderstanding of the whole point of a multiverse to such a dumb level that I couldn't belive it got filmed. It was Mysterio in Far From Home who was just bullshitting about his multiverse stuff. Unless they brought that back in No Way Home? I can’t remember. Doesn’t Into the Spider-Verse show that Peter B. Is from 616 or am I imagining that?
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MokBa posted:It was Mysterio in Far From Home who was just bullshitting about his multiverse stuff. Unless they brought that back in No Way Home? I can’t remember. It was alternate universe Christine in Doctor Strange 2. You aren't imaging that about Peter B but I'm just going to pretend that is retconned to another #.
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Holy moly across the spider verse is a great movie. Visually it goes so hard all the time. One of the greatest feats of visual spectacle I have ever seen. The story was also very good. Everything works. It can't be next year fast enough.
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Gaius Marius posted:There is no way the second part doesn't get delayed massively. Why? They've been working on both at the same time. Saw it a second time today. Still amazing. I also caught a few details I missed before. When Miles goes to Earth 42, you can see sketches of the Prowler's gauntlet over his shoulder in his bedroom while he's talking to his mom. Codependent Poster fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Jun 3, 2023 |
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I love that Miles-42’s accent is slightly more Hispanic because he’s being raised solely by Rio.
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Spacebump posted:Really appreciate this movie's writers establishing MCU is actually not 616. Nice to see writers understand the multiverse well thank god that snafu got fixed
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When Miles goes to the wrong universe, it was telegraphed in several different ways. Miguel’s reveal that Miles’ spider was from an alternate universe missing its own Spider-Man. The way they say the machine sends people back to their own dimension “based on their DNA” which was extremely specific. The computer literally shows “EARTH-42” on it when earlier in the film we explicitly see that Miles is from 1610. Gwen going up to Miles’ window while Miles in the room had real Silence-of-the-Lambs-wrong-house. I kept thinking “why are they dragging out this reveal for so long when it’s obvious to every single audience member what happened?” Then i talked to a friend and he didn’t see it coming at all and was even confused when Miles’ mom didn’t know who Spider-Man was. I guess it’s one of those things that’s easy to miss if you aren’t actively paying attention. I was definitely surprised by Miles-42 being the Prowler, which seemed like an obvious twist-on-the-twist in retrospect. Maybe the nerdiest thing I’ve ever done in my life was explaining to my girlfriend afterwards the several layers to and history of Donald Glover’s cameo in the movie. Seriously what a great movie though. I feel like I’m gonna see it two or three more times in the theater which is something I haven’t done in years and years.
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I guess I'll just post what I posted in the animation threadMacaluso posted:Holy loving poo poo man. There is no hyperbole in what people are saying about Spiderverse. It's incredible. Everything about it, the things it does with animation puts everything else to shame. I'm sitting here just in awe at what I watched. Macaluso posted:The backgrounds were constantly cool and none of the dimensions looked the same because of it. This was especially noticeable when Miles ends up in the wrong universe. They do a lot of showing the world Miles lives in at the beginning, with sweeping shots of the city, and the swinging around segment with Gwen. So when Miles ends up in dimension 42 at the end, when he's running around swinging trying to get home, the viewer can instantly tell something is wrong. The colors aren't right, the vibe of the city isn't right. I mean astute viewers will easily know he throws himself into the wrong dimension anyway because they know the spider isn't from his own. But it's especially clear when he's going through the city and everything is off. Granted it also goes back and forth between him and Gwen and you can see the differences that way too, but I think even if they didn't do that, you would be able to tell that something is wrong after he returns "home"
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MokBa posted:
Lol, my GF had to explain it to me afterwards because she lost her poo poo during that cameo
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I was very impressed how each spider person really looked like they came from their own universe. Especially Miguel who felt subtly distinct, and Ben who looked so spot on and incredible in every shot. For a joke character constantly mocking that era of the comics, they sure did lovingly nail that art style.
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The Glumslinger posted:Lol, my GF had to explain it to me afterwards because she lost her poo poo during that cameo What's the explanation?
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fosborb posted:What's the explanation? He's not Named as the Prowler but its one of those connect the dots things. 2) After, iirc, Spidey3? ASM2? Crashed, Glover lobbied for himself to be given the role arguing that a modern take on Spidey would include a more diverse actor given the cultural makeup of NYC.
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FilthyImp posted:1) in Homecoming, Glover has a cameo as a street thug that Pete webs to a car. Gliver explains where/what Vulture's plan is, and gives Pete the info he needs because "my nephew goes to that school" [i.e. Miles Morales] Also he wasn't a direct inspiration for Miles, but Bendis (Miles' creator) has namedropped Glover as something of an influence. And Glover voiced Miles a couple times in the cartoons.
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drat this movie goes so hard. Did not expect it to triple down on the first movie like this. I do think this one is more drama focused than the humor of Into the spiderverse, but appropriate for a middle part.
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I can't believe Jesper the postman is going destroy the multiverse. I thought he was going to be the first-act fodder who gets tossed aside when the real action starts.
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Some thoughts: -Miguel’s warning that breaking cannon breaks the universe does seem to have some truth in that we do see effects in India spider world, and then later he asks Peter B Parker to confirm such events happen and he nodes gravely. -Gwen’s father quitting his job seems to be a way for fate to change. Her reveal and then powerful love filled speech changes him and maybe changes destiny. This is when she becomes determined that she can help Miles now. -Miguel is the overbearing spider parent who wants to control all worlds and expect them to follow what he believes is the plan. The foil of course is Miles and Gwen’s dads who want their kids to spread their wings by the end.
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FilthyImp posted:1) in Homecoming, Glover has a cameo as a street thug that Pete webs to a car. Gliver explains where/what Vulture's plan is, and gives Pete the info he needs because "my nephew goes to that school" [i.e. Miles Morales] I'm surprised I've not seen this mentioned anywhere. Even all those missed details channels like New Rockstars missed it to the point of going out of their way to say he was never named such.
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Going to play this at quarter to half speed, as soon as it's for sale, so I can catch all the visuals.
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GateOfD posted:what was the running jokes about with MIles costume and a bunch asking if he's breathing thru his armpits I thought that's what it was too, but I realized later in the movie that they were actually saying "bleeding". Because of the red on his costume
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