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Deki posted:Man, how hard would it be to create a pure pro-labor org that made a point to not be assholes about race/gender/etc but doesn't get involved with the more-leftist-than-thou horseshit? If you manage to create a successful labor movement, capital tends to make a point to either co-opt you (Black Lives Matter Inc), and if that fails just have you killed. Unfortunately in the U.S., the continued existence of many leftists groups is proof they're no threat to those they oppose or they'd be violently dispersed already. This is if you somehow manage to get passed all the grifters, purity testers, and both unaware and completely self-aware wreckers out to gently caress you. Successful organizing depends on communal trust, and capital and power in the u.s. successfully destroyed that this past century. While the new wave of unionization gives me hope, I'm wondering if it'll all be pushed back with a tidal wave of bullshit and blood. The fact that one of the most successful modern resistances against a genocidal imperial state is somehow being provided with NATO weapons is not lost on me. Zizek's response to the hardline Anti-Nato-under-all-circumstances-crowd being "So called leftists, I wouldn't call them that" or words to that effect, stuck with me. CommieGIR posted:Little by little? Project Pluto was at the Beginning of the cold war. The insanity was out of the gate. The air-to-air nuclear rockets to take out bomber swarms stuck with me. Ronwayne fucked around with this message at 04:48 on Jun 4, 2023 |
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Cugel the Clever posted:lol, Nuland did way too muchcoke one night and got recorded sharing her delusions of grandeur and it's become one of the cornerstones of the tankie narrative against Ukraine Who the heck is Nuland?
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Jun 4, 2023 04:36
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sebmojo posted:They had access to too much money, too much equipment, and little by little, they went insane https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/883491922717597837/1114715426321092649/lv_0_20230603204049.mp4 They never made the giant satellite-mounted missile-destroying lasers these were meant for but it's sure beautiful material. Scarodactyl fucked around with this message at 04:41 on Jun 4, 2023 |
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Jun 4, 2023 04:38
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https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1665198680348012544 Air defense destroyed all targets before they could enter the airspace of the capital. https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1665204391886848000 However, a fresh air alert was sounded near the front lines.
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Jun 4, 2023 05:01
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Samovar posted:Who the heck is Nuland?
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Jun 4, 2023 05:02
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Deki posted:I feel its the same trap Alex Jones fans or Fox News boomers fall into. Goodness knows I have reflected on people's reactions to this war, and come to the conclusion that I could be persuaded that it was justifiable if Russia was actually communist/socialist power that exercised such rhetoric in reality. But it's not. It is so obviously not. It's a nationalistic attempt at seizing colonial power, to exploit both the land and the people. And I would consider myself a leftist because I HATE seeing imperialism inflicted upon the world and want it to stop!
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Jun 4, 2023 05:08
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ROJO posted:For anyone who hasn't looked it up before, you have to check out some of the YouTube videos of old Sprint missile test launches (the endo-atmosheric interceptor part of Safeguard). That missile had absolutely insane kinematic performance. 1st stage burnout in less than two seconds. By second stage burnout (5-10 seconds or so) it was glowing white hot from air drag as it ripped through the atmosphere trying to get to its intercept point. Also check out HIBEX. Sprint starts out at the already insane 100g - HIBEX started out at 400. The test launch videos are real time and from a distance and my brain just refuses to interpret what's going on. you're looking at an entire landscape and a launch taking place very far away from you just fuckin yeets upwards and the cameraman has a job and a half even keeping it in frame. I think everything in this video is Sprint, so imagine this but even more ridiculous. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk9mvLFNqMQ Scarodactyl posted:I literally just finished cutting this laser ruby left over from the Star Wars program. That looks great, nice work. Can I ask what it's being cut for? How available are these leftovers?
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Jun 4, 2023 05:27
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tiaz posted:That looks great, nice work. Can I ask what it's being cut for? How available are these leftovers?
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Jun 4, 2023 05:34
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There's a comic book in this place that will give you +10 radiation resistance. It says +5 when you pick it up but it's actually +10.
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Jun 4, 2023 05:54
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Ronwayne posted:The fact that one of the most successful modern resistances against a genocidal imperial state is somehow being provided with NATO weapons is not lost on me. Zizek's response to the hardline Anti-Nato-under-all-circumstances-crowd being "So called leftists, I wouldn't call them that" or words to that effect, stuck with me. Yeah, I appreciated this comment a few days ago: the popes toes posted:I think you're being charitable. The public left, like Galloway and Greenwald et al, are just using the war to promote their otherwise stale and lagging brands. It's a hook for their dwindling audience, a cash cow for their flagging incomes. There's no money in "Well, I still have problems with the West's history, but aiding an invaded country in threat of annihilation, or at minimum, totalitarian oppression by an imperialist, is something I can get behind." In their niche, there's no money in that, certainly no click money. It's despicable. Because that's literally Zizek's stance, and it explains the split between Zizek and his not-fellow-travelers; unlike them, Zizek actually doesn't give a poo poo about the money or the engagement.
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Jun 4, 2023 06:06
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Incendiary shells exploding over Russian town of Shebekino in Belgorod* *Ukraine isn't using incendiaries on Russian territory.
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Jun 4, 2023 06:31
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Ronwayne posted:. Glad we never pulled that Genie out of the bottle 
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Jun 4, 2023 06:31
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvHyBAB_kvA I saw this video this morning and felt like I had to share it here for the sake of perspective. The youtuber who posted this video is from Russia, and is against the Russian war of aggression. It's about one of his friends who fought in the Russian army and died in Ukraine.
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Jun 4, 2023 06:33
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I'm reading an excellent history of the Soviet war in Afghanistan called "Zinky Boys: Soviet Voices from the Afghanistan War" by Svetlana Alexievich. It's a narrative compiled of firsthand accounts by Soviet veterans of the Afghan war as told in interviews to the author, very good stuff. I am going to quote a relevant section written in 1987 and I leave it to you to judge the relevancy. The context is a Soviet medic talking about the poo poo situation they have: Zinky Boys posted:We were short of medical supplies., There wasn't any basic liquid antiseptic. Either they hadn't shipped it in or we'd run through our allocation - our planned economy. We tried to get captured stuff, imported. I always had 25 Japanese disposable syringes in my bag. They're in soft polythene packaging: you just take off the wrapper and make the injection. The paper liners on our Record brand glass syringes used to fray and their sterility was compromised. Half the dose didn't get sucked in - defective goods. Our blood substitutes were in half-liter bottles. To help one severely wounded man takes two liters - four bottles. How can you hold the rubber tube out at arm's length for about an hour out on the battlefield? It's virtually impossible. And how many bottles can you take out with you? So what do the Italians suggest? A one-liter polythene bag - you can jump on it in your boots and it won't burst. Sounds bad right? Well, one paragraph further, if you please: quote:In ten years they haven't started producing anything new here. The bandages are the same; the splints are the safe. The Soviet soldier is the cheapest soldier there is. The most long-suffering, the most uncomplaining. Unequipped and unprotected. Expendable. The same way it was in 1941...it'll still be the same in fifty years' time. Why? Sounds familiar. I'll close this post out with a couple of pictures of the medical supplies in use by the Russian army in 2022. It's uh, the exact same lovely medical gear that this medic was complaining about as being old and useless in 1987 
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Jun 4, 2023 06:56
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https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1665221542551199744 It seems yesterday's attack more or less scraped the barrel for missiles and drones, or else Russia's tried to be more conservative with their use. 4 of 6 missiles and 3 of 5 drones were shot down by air defense. Explosions were heard in the Donetsk and Dnipropetrovsk regions. Information is being clarified. zone fucked around with this message at 07:09 on Jun 4, 2023 |
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Jun 4, 2023 06:59
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HonorableTB posted:I'll close this post out with a couple of pictures of the medical supplies in use by the Russian army in 2022. It's uh, the exact same lovely medical gear that this medic was complaining about as being old and useless in 1987 Those look worse than my hiking first aid kit... Outside of what I assume is a rubber tourniquet. Ronwayne posted:The fact that one of the most successful modern resistances against a genocidal imperial state is somehow being provided with NATO weapons is not lost on me. Zizek's response to the hardline Anti-Nato-under-all-circumstances-crowd being "So called leftists, I wouldn't call them that" or words to that effect, stuck with me. Zizek, Schmizek. Who cares what that fake leftist thinks when we can listen to guys like Kissinger and Tucker Carlson about what we, as socialists, should think.
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Jun 4, 2023 07:04
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https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1665234355977875456?s=20 Where have I heard talk of a "final solution" before?
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Jun 4, 2023 08:54
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beer_war posted:https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1665234355977875456?s=20 Delusional nonsense from a delusional clown.
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Jun 4, 2023 08:59
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So that's what they based the pyramid in the middle of the nuked zone in fallout 4 on
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Jun 4, 2023 09:11
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Drone_Fragger posted:It goes from zero to Mach 10 in less than 5 seconds. The entire premise was that nuclear decoys would fail on re-entry so once below 70km only real nukes would remain, moving at 5km/s. Hence you build a real fast missle that carries a nuclear warhead to fly to intercept them at like 15km above ground in the 10 seconds you've got before the nukes hit and blow up the incoming nuke swarm with a nuke of your own. There were a combination of factors. The cost was a big one - even in the one-warhead era, each anti-missile cost more than the actual attack missile did. That meant that you could easily counter the enemy's defensive weaponry by building more and more ICBMs. This was not only a fast track to bankruptcy, but the perverse incentive to build all those strike missiles was considered destabilizing. The second issue was the fear that even an incomplete missile shield might make a nuclear first strike more attractive in a crisis - if you can destroy a large number of the other guy's missiles sleeping in their silos, the anti-missiles you intended to drive off his entire arsenal might have a pretty good chance of taking down the ones you didn't manage to wipe out on the ground. This undermined the balance of terror and was considered destabilizing. These two concerns led to the Anti Ballistic Missile treaty, which initially limited both the US and USSR to two ABM sites, and then to one. The Soviets installed their system around Moscow to prevent a decapitation strike on their political leadership (It, in upgraded form, is still there), counting on the hardness and dispersal of their missile fields to allow retaliation in the event of a disarming first strike. The US put theirs next to a missile field to block a disarming first strike, counting on the rules of succession to quickly allow for retaliation in the event a of a decapitation strike. The nail in the coffin for that era of missile defense was MIRV - once each attack missile was able to not only poo poo out decoys and penaids, but could carry multiple warheads, the notion of shooting down all the inbounds became absolutely impossible. This last factor is why the one treaty-allowed site was decommissioned so quickly - it was already fundamentally obsolete. In more recent years, there has been great focus on shooting down SRBMs (a category which pretty much every ballistic missile sent at Ukraine in this war falls into) and even IRBMs, but all-up ICBMs are still so difficult to stop that the US plan is essentially "we might be able to stop one or two, if we have lots of defense missiles to throw at them".
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Jun 4, 2023 09:12
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Taking a little break from nuke chat to post a Meduza article.Meduza is a Russian oppositional publication, but even they have people in their reader base who support the war. They asked them to write in why: https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/06/03/the-only-thing-worse-than-war-is-losing-one Imo, no big surprises here. A collection of the "greatest hits" of war supporters. I.e. "war bad", "russophobia", "I don't support the war but we need to win it now", "amerika did it", etc. spankmeister fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Jun 4, 2023 |
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Jun 4, 2023 09:19
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zone posted:https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1665221542551199744  We need a way to intercept them in the White or Caspian sea, and I developed a new solution just for this mission. So far Lockmart isn't answering my emails but I'll get through. 
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Jun 4, 2023 09:40
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Fighterbomber telegram channel reported that another Mig-31 had a little 'accident' on a training flight. The pilots bailed out.
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Jun 4, 2023 10:25
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This a bit off topic, but I have to confess, I am surprised that the U.K. so readily jumped to being pro-Ukraine/anti-Russian, regardless as to Johnson's desperate attempt to seem Churchillian. I did think with the amount of money the oligarchs put into London that there would be some hand-wringing by some in the journalistic world over decorum and proprietary respect.
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Jun 4, 2023 10:25
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I think a contributor is that regardless of how much money the politicos take, the civil service and the military/intelligence establishment are ferociously anti Russian. Plus the more nostalgic any given department is for the empire, the more they resent upstart tsars running around. E: also, Russia is simply very unpopular because (much like Iran) they regularly try to antagonise the UK as a proxy for antagonising the US, the latter being too far away and too hard a target. Strategic Tea fucked around with this message at 10:36 on Jun 4, 2023 |
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Jun 4, 2023 10:33
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Russia would've probably had UK in their pocket through all that oligarch money sloshing in the City, if they just could've helped themselves and not assassinate people on UK soil with means that carry a high risk of collateral damage. They couldn't.
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Jun 4, 2023 10:40
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Russia's killing of dissidents (and an innocent bystander) in the UK and particularly by doing it with chemical weapons and nuclear materials really can not be overstated as a factor in why the UK is so actively opposed to Russia's interests and efforts. In strict terms and from a security perspective, one is a chemical weapons attack and another is a nuclear attack (not in the sense of a nuclear bomb, but rather that it is an attack using nuclear material and an explicit step on the stairs towards nuclear escalation).
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Jun 4, 2023 10:43
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It certainly helped that Johnson was in a state of permanent crisis and looking for a straw to grasp. But also, yeah Russian oligarchs have spent a lot of money, but the problem with leveraging their supposed influence is that they are just unproductive social parasites with no leverage - if a country that has invested billions of dollars into your strategic industries starts making waves, you'd better weigh your steps; but if the only money coming from said country buys overpriced real estate and like soccer clubs or whatever? Thanks, it's our real estate now, what are you gonna do about it?
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Jun 4, 2023 10:47
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ishikabibble posted:'tankie' as a term was spawned because of the Communist Party of Great Britain supporting the USSR quashing rebellions in Warsaw Pact countries I wrote something a month or three back about Norway's Red party. They're the unified continuation of multiple communist parties (fragmentation, in my left wing?), though more social democrat than communist these days. It's no surprise that they have historically been opposed to US military interventions and NATO expansion - and they did symbolically vote against Finland and Sweden joining because they thing NATO should be dissolved or at least that Norway should leave. On the other hand, they have been pro non-military support to Ukraine from day one, and their congress earlier this year actually voted to support sending military aid to Ukraine. Very late, and not unanimous (it was something like 60/40), but it's still something. Also, I got the impression the opposition was mostly the old communists, and the supporters the younger members and the (also fairly young) leadership. And I've got to say - I get being reflexively opposed to supporting whatever the US MIC is up to at any given time. This is very clearly an exception in many ways, but if you were a young left-winger during the Vietnam war and then kept paying attention to every other US-led war, it's got to be hard to accept that this time it's different. Even if it obviously is different. Computer viking fucked around with this message at 11:00 on Jun 4, 2023 |
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Jun 4, 2023 10:58
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Samovar posted:This a bit off topic, but I have to confess, I am surprised that the U.K. so readily jumped to being pro-Ukraine/anti-Russian, regardless as to Johnson's desperate attempt to seem Churchillian. I did think with the amount of money the oligarchs put into London that there would be some hand-wringing by some in the journalistic world over decorum and proprietary respect.
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Jun 4, 2023 10:58
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Rich Russians buying up tonnes of UK property which helps inflate prices hasn’t gone unnoticed.
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Jun 4, 2023 11:09
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Computer viking posted:I wrote something a month or three back about Norway's Red party. They're the unified continuation of multiple communist parties (fragmentation, in my left wing?), though more social democrat than communist these days. It's no surprise that they have historically been opposed to US military interventions and NATO expansion - and they did symbolically vote against Finland and Sweden joining because they thing NATO should be dissolved or at least that Norway should leave. On the other hand, they have been pro non-military support to Ukraine from day one, and their congress earlier this year actually voted to support sending military aid to Ukraine. Very late, and not unanimous (it was something like 60/40), but it's still something. Also, I got the impression the opposition was mostly the old communists, and the supporters the younger members and the (also fairly young) leadership. It's not a US-led war, for one.
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Jun 4, 2023 11:16
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As for my political life from work to pubs etc there’s been a very big push back on tankie opinions. Usually people roll eyes as they tell us it’s propaganda etc but now people are explaining stuff and then promptly telling them to gently caress off. Once facts have been pointed and explained, they have nothing to fall back on which is nice. Would be nice if this war concluded with dumb rear end tankies opinions going on the back burner.
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Jun 4, 2023 11:17
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Computer viking posted:I wrote something a month or three back about Norway's Red party. They're the unified continuation of multiple communist parties (fragmentation, in my left wing?), though more social democrat than communist these days. It's no surprise that they have historically been opposed to US military interventions and NATO expansion - and they did symbolically vote against Finland and Sweden joining because they thing NATO should be dissolved or at least that Norway should leave. On the other hand, they have been pro non-military support to Ukraine from day one, and their congress earlier this year actually voted to support sending military aid to Ukraine. Very late, and not unanimous (it was something like 60/40), but it's still something. Also, I got the impression the opposition was mostly the old communists, and the supporters the younger members and the (also fairly young) leadership. We here in Finland have the exact same idiots in the Left Alliance and Social democrats: grown up pioneer youth, old Leninists and Stalinists, couple of Trostkyists and assorted number of "West and NATO always wrong, Russia always right"-pipebrains taking Putin's money because it was easy money, and easy political points to score by parroting "remember how close we used to be to the USSR, just say no to war" to the cultural elite. In the last elections few went down with the ship refusing to back down from openly supporting Russia and opposing Finland joining NATO, several changed opinion or declared that they have no strong opinion on these issues to salvage what was left of their political career. Old has-beens, useful idiots and Putin apologists, the whole lot. Few maybe even worth investigating for a treason, but that will be probably just swept under the rug like the time we found out that the then-sitting president was a Stasi spy. In Reddit some idiot tried to argue me that "the Red party and their anti-NATO, anti-USA campaigns and rhetoric are not obstructionism, or being useful idiots or Russia collaboration by trying to sow discontent, look they support the war in Ukraine!". Well yes, they probably do. Just not the side which most of the EU and Nordics support.
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Jun 4, 2023 11:24
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spankmeister posted:It's not a US-led war, for one. That's the biggest one, yeah. I assumed you'd all manage to fill out the blanks in how it was different, so I removed another sentence about that to make it shorter. 
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Jun 4, 2023 11:28
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https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1665111550258978817 Total breakdown of law and order successfully happened. Widespread looting of homes and businesses by local Russians who haven't run has been going on for a while now.
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Jun 4, 2023 11:42
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Bluemillion posted:There's a comic book in this place that will give you +10 radiation resistance. It says +5 when you pick it up but it's actually +10. Are we playing Fallout 3?
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Jun 4, 2023 11:47
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I used to eat my lunch on the bench that the Skirpals were found on back when i was in college. Those attacks (especially with how blatant/brazen they were, including killing British citizens) and the Litvinenko killing, really pissed a lot of people off. That, and it was a useful distraction for Boris to wander around and look important for a change. Its pretty much the one thing i will give him credit for. What is a surprise is how well the Government have kept it up, again, pretty much the only good thing coming out of this Government. You see a LOT of Ukranian flags out and about, literally more than you see the Union Jack I think (and defiantely more than you see England flags) - I think the support for Ukraine is pretty genuine.
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Also, for reasons that seemed to be inertia more than anything else, Russia kept pointing to the UK as one of if not the the key architects of opposition however big a shambles Whitehall seemed to be. A state repeatedly calling you their main rival has to have an effect even beyond the actual provocations. Arbite fucked around with this message at 12:14 on Jun 4, 2023 |
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sebmojo posted:They had access to too much money, too much equipment, and little by little, they went insane I always loved that quote.
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