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Very interested in the KTM 690 vs XSR700 discussion. I am very interested in the 690 SMC. Not for commuting or distance or smoothness but fun level, handling and track. Interested in the comment about the MT07 being faster in back to back turns. Congrats on the bike, looks amazing.
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Nitrox posted:Congrats! Is the gauge puck visible in direct sunlight?
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It was a few pages ago but I just got the Kawasaki Versys X. Thanks to people ITT who helped! (Reason no gear and dog nearby is the engine was off and I wheeled it out in neutral to take the photo.)
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May 20, 2023 23:51
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nice, bad boy brad got a better bike
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May 21, 2023 00:38
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That's a good rear end dog.
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May 21, 2023 01:59
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I might regret buying the bike but I won't regret adopting the dog. 
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May 21, 2023 02:31
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Sagebrush posted:nice, bad boy brad got a better bike Savage
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I have a 2019 690 smc r that I want to replace. I am looking to compromise on a little on agility in an effort to gain comfort. Commuting isn't a concern and more emphasis should be on fun/handling while having a better seat and a little wind protection. I like all the rider aids that 690 has and would like to continue having those (abs/cornering abs/tc/etc.). I was looking at the mt10 and s1000r as they tick a lot of boxes, especially the mt10 for the price, but don't know if I'd ever shift beyond 3rd on the street. I stopped in the ducati dealership on my lunch break this week and sat on the supersport s. I didn't ride it, but seems like it fits the bill: usable power, adjustable windscreen, all the rider aids, slipper clutch, and good suspension. The issue is that I can get one used for the same price as a new mt10. Also checked out the s1000xr (very comfortable, weight down low), multistrada 1260 s (way too big), and Tracer GT (instrument cluster that looks like a muppet face). They are probably the most rational decision, but I'm not sure I am ready for a dad sport bike just yet. ant mouth fucked around with this message at 21:47 on May 21, 2023 |
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May 21, 2023 21:16
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I assume you’ve investigated sticking a windscreen on the smc? And I’m sure there’s a seat upgrad route there for it.
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Russian Bear posted:I assume you’ve investigated sticking a windscreen on the smc? And I’m sure there’s a seat upgrad route there for it. I have the seat concepts seat and it bought me maybe another half hour. I went on a group ride this past wednesday, rode pretty hard for two hours, and was walking like a cowboy on Thursday.
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Personally i wasn't a fan of the Ducati Supersport. I forgot most of the details. But what surprised me most - in a negative way - was the engine. It's a reasonably sized V-twin. In comparison to a Duke 890r (p2 of course), an SV650 or a Ducati Monster from pre-2020, the engine felt grumbly, excessively loud, and essentially very rough/rattly and not at ease below 5000ish rpm. IIRC it was also VERY warm. Meanwhile, all those others are completely fine if you ask them to putter around in slow traffic. The Duke 890r is more high strung than the Ducati Supersport, but its engine was a LOT better behaved in situations where you do not want to rev up your bike until about half the redline rpm. As far as i could judge, the Duke also handled better. I absolutely loved it. Perhaps the seat was a bit hard, and the suspension too, but i found it to be completely acceptable. To me, it was WAY too much bike for my type of riding. The Supersport *is* a very purdy bike, and it handled pretty drat well as far as i could judge in a group test ride event on public roads. It is also more comfortable than a SMC-R but that's not a high bar to reach. LimaBiker fucked around with this message at 21:31 on May 21, 2023 |
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Thanks for the insight. I'll give the 890 a look too. I kind of passed it over because it seemed peak KTM... totally unlike my 700cc thumper. Serious cognitive dissonance on that.
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ant mouth posted:I have a 2019 690 smc r that I want to replace. I am looking to compromise on a little on agility in an effort to gain comfort. Commuting isn't a concern and more emphasis should be on fun/handling while having a better seat and a little wind protection. I like all the rider aids that 690 has and would like to continue having those (abs/cornering abs/tc/etc.). I was looking at the mt10 and s1000r as they tick a lot of boxes, especially the mt10 for the price, but don't know if I'd ever shift beyond 3rd on the street. I stopped in the ducati dealership on my lunch break this week and sat on the supersport s. I didn't ride it, but seems like it fits the bill: usable power, adjustable windscreen, all the rider aids, slipper clutch, and good suspension. The issue is that I can get one used for the same price as a new mt10. MT09-SP perhaps?
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My buddy loves his S1000R. You could look at a Tuono V4?
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Finger Prince posted:MT09-SP perhaps? Will vouch for, great bike that I haven't regretted getting for a second.
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Nidhg00670000 posted:Will vouch for, great bike that I haven't regretted getting for a second. How is the throttle/fueling on it? Is it less abrupt and snatchy than previous gens? Looks like they are widely popular because the nearest one to Portland is up passed Seattle followed by Sacramento. I've heard great things about the ride and power of the tuono. I've only had two anecdotal experiences with them: 1) Trying to help a random guy on the street get it started again after it died on him. 2) Talked with a guy at a turn off on one of the local twisty roads and he said he never shifted passed second on the entire stretch. ant mouth fucked around with this message at 18:58 on May 22, 2023 |
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May 22, 2023 18:42
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https://2wheeldynoworks.com/ specializes in reflashing yamaha ecus to get rid of the snatchy maintenance throttle. You have to wait the shipping time back and forth though.
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GriszledMelkaba posted:https://2wheeldynoworks.com/ specializes in reflashing yamaha ecus to get rid of the snatchy maintenance throttle. You have to wait the shipping time back and forth though. Oh hey I took my MT09 there after moving up here and they did a great job flashing for my full termi. They come very well regarded locally at least.
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I checked out the 890, Tuono, and MT10. The 890 would be the best bike for how I ride and what I am looking for, but I have reservations about a CFMOTO KTM. Seems like there are some pretty common issues that crop up. They are known and generally covered by warranty but I'd rather not deal with that. The Tuono is by far the sportiest with the highest rearsets and most forward position of the bunch. It fit well, but the body position is pretty locked in and I want more comfort. The MT10 felt great. It's top on the list. However, a wild card entered into the equation: the Super Duke R. As much as I don't want to like it, it felt great. To top it off, there are some good deals locally to where, at least short term, I'd save a good chunk of money over a 2022+ MT10. I'd probably save more money long term with the Yamaha though.
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I wanted to get back into riding so I bought a blue suzuki gsx-8s. It's arriving in a couple of weeks.
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not dead yet posted:I wanted to get back into riding so I bought a blue suzuki gsx-8s. It's arriving in a couple of weeks. Nice! Congrats! MCN recently did a comparo with the Hornet and I like how they describe it. I think they look pretty slick too, though I bemoan the loss of the inline 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppC31wW-KsE
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Bro and I are thinking of getting a bike with knobby tires and long suspension travel. None of us have any real experience off the pavement, though I at least have fond memories of zipping around Bali for a month on a rented 125 some 20 years ago. Both of us are moderately overweight 40-something men around 180+cm tall. Off road riding here is illegal, but there are lots of little gravel roads and logging trails that can be explored, so that's the probable use case for such a bike. We're looking for something road legal and preferably pretty cheap, like 2-3K. There's a few plated dirt bikes with 450cc engines available, whether Yamaha, Honda or Husqvarna/Husaberg, but looking at the maintenance intervals of those they just seem too extreme, also probably way too much bike for the intended riders. That leaves small dual sports, or the larger dual sport thumpers. While the TW200 was sadly never sold in Sweden (at least there's none available) there's the DRZ400 (usually cost 4K when road legal though), KLX250 the WR250R in the former category. The CRF300L looks nice but too new and expensive. There's the usual late 90's/early 00's suspects available in the Japanese 600-ish cc thumper category. Both bro and I are coming at this completely ignorant of what we like, want or need. Bro thinks he wants a somewhat powerful engine (for more fun), I think I want lower weight (for more fun). None of us know what we're talking about. Advice from experience would be appreciated.
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A drz400, or a dr350/650 would probably be perfect for your use case. There is also the Honda XR650L that might be in your price range as well. Not sure if all of those were sold in Sweden or not though, sadly Things like the KLX300 and WR250 are probably also about perfect for that but are new enough that they’re probably out of the price range.
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I've ridden a lot on gravel roads here in Norway and some in Sweden, I started out on a 93 xl600v transalp that I used for everything. I'd say a 200kg bike invites drama easier on gravel than a lighter bike, simply by there being more of it sliding around when poo poo hits fan. You note it the most when the front or rear slides sideways on looser stuff or having to slow down suddenly when that turn on the gravel road was much tighter than expected. the v-twin engine is super easy to maintain, I learned to wrench bikes on it. Good power and can chug along at low rpm. I had mine for 60000km from 82k km to 145k km, most involved thing I needed to do was changing the regulator and rectifier. There is a gaggle of 600cc single 180ish kg 90s bikes, the dr600, nx650, xt600, klr 650 and xt660r. These are less of a handfull to handle than the 200kg bikes, but they're still a lot of mass to control at times. Of the lighter ones you don't have that many. the dr350 was mentioned. there is also the xt350. the klx250 and the rarer XG250 The biased opinion I have is that of the light 90s bikes the best one is the Honda nx 250. 134kg wet. water cooled, 12k km service intervals on everything, el start, enough power to run heated grips, gps and heated visor. 9l tank so around 200km range. They can be hard to find though, since they are usually bought, kept and horded. My brother has owned 3(currently he has 2, I also have 1) of the 60ish left of the road on Norway. I've ridden mine 42000km.  Any 90s bike will need some love though, rear dampers might have started to sag, and parts availability can be a little scarce on specific parts. They're still a bit of bike to manhandle though snow     A lot of Drz400 bikes here in scandinavia has been through a million freshly licenced hooligans though, so try to find one with low verifiable mileage and few owners. Supradog fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Jun 4, 2023 |
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There's a cheap 2001 yamaha tt600r for sale locally. 29kW, 155kg wet weight according to the DMW. Terrible idea? (The seller claims it needs new tires and a fork job)
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Not a good idea imo, they are insanely heavy and primitive for what they are I've also never seen one that wasn't treated like absolute poo poo but that might just be nz where trail bike = maintenance free
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I'm moving my youngest kid up from his current KLX140 to the KLX300 I already have. Still, I'll need to get another bike for kid #2 who is currently riding that 300. We are mostly dune and desert riding all the time, so power is important. It's actually the #1 reason for wanting to ditch the 140 - just not a good sand bike. Any recommendations for a 250-450cc bike from the last few years that has electric start and weighs as little as possible? Wouldn't mind another KX250 or a KX450 for parts commonality but I'm not sure when they started offering estart on the lighter MC bikes. Reliability is a big concern, too. Do any of the Japanese makers stand out among the rest? (Not really looking at other makes, I guess)
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Invalido posted:Bro and I are thinking of getting a bike with knobby tires and long suspension travel. None of us have any real experience off the pavement, though I at least have fond memories of zipping around Bali for a month on a rented 125 some 20 years ago. Both of us are moderately overweight 40-something men around 180+cm tall. Off road riding here is illegal, but there are lots of little gravel roads and logging trails that can be explored, so that's the probable use case for such a bike. We're looking for something road legal and preferably pretty cheap, like 2-3K. There's a few plated dirt bikes with 450cc engines available, whether Yamaha, Honda or Husqvarna/Husaberg, but looking at the maintenance intervals of those they just seem too extreme, also probably way too much bike for the intended riders. That leaves small dual sports, or the larger dual sport thumpers. While the TW200 was sadly never sold in Sweden (at least there's none available) there's the DRZ400 (usually cost 4K when road legal though), KLX250 the WR250R in the former category. The CRF300L looks nice but too new and expensive. What kind of off-road riding? TotalLossBrain posted:I'm moving my youngest kid up from his current KLX140 to the KLX300 I already have. 2021 KX250 has e start. I don't know of any real differences in reliability among the japanese dirt bikes so I'd just get a kawi for parts commonality.
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Yeah I have the 2022 KX250, very nice bike. I got a nice deal on it for $5999 new. I'll be prepping that KLX140 bike and a 2005 Civic Hybrid I don't drive anymore for sale. I'm hoping to scrape $5k together and see what I find. I've been looking at FB marketplace and CL over the past couple of weeks. Used bike prices are definitely coming down and availability is going up. Of course that will work against me in selling, but what can you do.
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I would avoid the new gen Honda unicam engines but that's about it
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Slavvy posted:I would avoid the new gen Honda unicam engines but that's about it I remember you describing this issue at length. Based on my budget, i think I'm looking at 250cc-450cc 4T bikes 2015-2019 so I don't think that particular issue will come up. I'm looking particularly hard for a plated bike 
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Wr450 imo
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Slavvy posted:Wr450 imo US was trash and never got it plated. e: there are workarounds but if you want a bike that's guaranteed not to get unplated at some point then you need one of the euro bikes or an older japanese bike.
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My continuing search for a new commuter is pretty much down to two bikes: Z400 and MT-03. My first on road bike ever when I was a teenager was an old KZ400, so there's a certain emotional response to the Z400. Also I like riding it and it fits me well. On the other hand, the MT-03 fits even better, feels better put together, and is generally "good" feeling. I wish it had a slightly higher comfortable cruising speed on the highway, but it's not really for the highway so meh. My question then is does anyone have good long term reliability information for these bikes? I mean, I still might find something else if the right deal comes up, but I think that pretty soon I'll finally make up my stupid mind and bring a little bike home. Also, good call on the Motoguzzi advice. I loved riding it - it felt good, it sounded good, it rode good. And then when I came to a stoplight my knees basically caught fire. Good bullet dodged there - not a Vegas bike for sure.
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Mt03 are pretty bulletproof, very typical japanese design Z400 is still too new to judge but from what I've seen of them there's no reason to expect any surprises
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I wanna finally learn how to clutch-up correctly and do wheelies right. I also don't want to ruin the brand new bike I just bought. I can chase power wheelies all day but that's not what I'm looking to get good at. What's a good platform to learn on that I won't cry if I drop it in a remote parking lot at 2am? Do I buy a street legal dirtbike? a grom? somebody's ratted out 600 with a dubious title? Start hanging out with the 12 o'clock boys as a chubby 33 year old white guy? I have no easy access to offroading that allows dirtbikes, so actual cheap dirtbike is probably out.
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I wouldn’t buy a whole other bike just for wheelie practice, but if you do, cheap dirt bike is the actual answer, unfortunately. I wouldn’t start on a 600 sportbike, they make no torque and have to be revved to the moon generally to wheelie
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Beve Stuscemi posted:I wouldn’t buy a whole other bike just for wheelie practice, but if you do, cheap dirt bike is the actual answer, unfortunately. That's fair, I just figured I see a ton of them being stunted, but that's probably because of big rear sprockets. I just know I'd rather find some $1500 shitbike and then drop it 10 times and resell it for $1500 than drop this tuono once and pay the same amount for new plastic and levers. 
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Voting for this wheelie practice bike: https://www.facebook.com/reel/567867408787466?mibextid=xO1PvT&s=yWDuG2&fs=e
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Mr. Wiggles posted:My continuing search for a new commuter is pretty much down to two bikes: Z400 and MT-03. My first on road bike ever when I was a teenager was an old KZ400, so there's a certain emotional response to the Z400. Also I like riding it and it fits me well. On the other hand, the MT-03 fits even better, feels better put together, and is generally "good" feeling. I wish it had a slightly higher comfortable cruising speed on the highway, but it's not really for the highway so meh. My question then is does anyone have good long term reliability information for these bikes? Join the MT03 gang and braap around hitting 11k on the tach.
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