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Danger posted:The color scheme does a ton of heavy lifting in this movie especially, it's wonderful. Her world is taken directly out of her comics but her color scheme is specifically some fusion of bisexual lighting and reminiscent of the trans flag. During her emotional climax with her dad her hair overtly takes on the colors of the flag, after reconciling with her dad (in the conversation of how she can only ever show half of herself to him) his badges blur into a trans flag. Early in the film she is framed underneath a trans flag that reads "Protect Trans Kids". Miles is constantly in bisexual lighting too. And he gets the “We love and accept you!” imaginary scene, which is very coded.
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massive spider posted:The amazing thing about this movies visuals to me is how it gets you to buy into it a little at a time until PS4 rendered Spider-Man is there next to actual human Donald Glover and it’s like yeah sure ok and then a lot of things are happening which are just pure expressionistic visual metaphor (the colours of Gwen world changing with the mood, Miles thoughts and fears just being waking dream sequences) but it works. Scenes in Mile's chapter feel very Mamoru Oshii to me, where the film is just in full decompress mode and soundlessly juxtaposing the characters against the gorgeous environments.
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DC Murderverse posted:The only difference between this and Avengers or Harry Potter is that it wasn’t advertised explicitly as part one of two As I was watching the movie I had a vague memory of the part1/2 thing but wasn't sure whether it was really happening or not. In the last 30 minutes it became more obvious to me it was happening so I wasn't surprised. Are people not gonna see the movie if they call it "part 1" or otherwise explain when it will conclude in the marketing? Seems like it would do a wonder on setting audience expectations.
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DourCricket posted:I thought they did the thing with Gwen's dad at the beginning to... contrast sharply with how Jefferson would take the reveal from Miles at the end of the movie but I'm kinda glad Gwen got some real resolution in this film. Especially since Miles' story is mid-cliffhanger DoctorWhat posted:Gwen's dad is the only good cop in every universe, one way or another
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Ehhhhhh this is different from Avengers. Avengers didn't end on a cliffhanger, it was pretty definitive. The story was fully told and the battle was over, the good guys lost.
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MJeff posted:Ehhhhhh this is different from Avengers. Avengers didn't end on a cliffhanger, it was pretty definitive. The story was fully told and the battle was over, the good guys lost. everyone knew they were gonna win eventually so stopping on the not-winning point is still a cliffhanger
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Do you think Miles will pull Spider Ham's hammer out of his pocket at some point or do you think that is just a one time joke that won't be referenced again. He gets the hammer from Spider Ham at the end of the movie and is told that it'll fit in his pocket. Normally I would just assume it's a joke that will never be brought up again, but Phil Lord and Chris Miller love doing that kind of poo poo. You can see it happen with several things in Spiderverse, but also things like Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs where they set up the spray on shoes as a joke early in the movie but then is the thing Flint uses to defeat the machine at the end
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DoctorWhat posted:Gwen's dad is the only good cop in every universe, one way or another 
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Macaluso posted:Do you think Miles will pull Spider Ham's hammer out of his pocket at some point or do you think that is just a one time joke that won't be referenced again. He gets the hammer from Spider Ham at the end of the movie and is told that it'll fit in his pocket. guessing Spider-Ham will say "hey Miles, remember that thing I gave ya?" in the third movie
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Thoughts on the soundtrack? So far I like the first movie soundtrack better with What’s up Danger and Sunflower and some others. Annihilate and Am I Dreaming (credits song) are good stuff off this one. Original score is great, with Gwen’s theme being tons of rock fun and Miles still has the heroic hip hop mix. All the chase music is energetic. Also love how first and last song mirror each other (the drumming), but the final version has more of the other themes mixed in as “the band” is formed.
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It's weaker than the first; too homogenous and no standout tracks.
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Captain Invictus posted:there's literally a footnote text box that pops up for a split second explaining the concept of Hammerspace in this movie, which is hilarious, but also means there's a decent chance it'll actually come into play at some point. Oh yeah, I remember seeing that and jumping to Justin Hammer instead of Spider-Pig's mallet.
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Gaius Marius posted:It's weaker than the first; too homogenous and no standout tracks. Yeah, also IMO a little too much star power. The first one was great because it all felt like music miles would listen to rather than a curated soundtrack, and it had a few big names but also a lot of guys who were still in the process of blowing up or who are still pretty unknown. This one is just megastar after megastar (I mean it literally starts with Wayne and ends with Nas), which I get but also I don’t like quite as much.
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DoctorWhat posted:Gwen's dad is the only good cop in every universe, one way or another Jesus dude.
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DC Murderverse posted:I actually think that shot is from when she’s in Miles’ room, so it’s his poster. And her dad is wearing a lil trans flag on his badge too. The importance of being a good ally! Everyone is badged up; the movie is basically begging the anti-woke/RW to go after it; pro LBGT+ stuff, Miles having a prominent BLM sticker, etc.
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TBH, I’m surprised we haven’t already seen culture war bullshit start over it yet
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Regalingualius posted:TBH, I’m surprised we haven’t already seen culture war bullshit start over it yet I think there were some people getting offended that it had a pregnant woman or something after the last trailer though Maybe in a few more weeks they'll figure out how to get outraged about it though
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DoctorWhat posted:Gwen's dad is the only good cop in every universe, one way or another Harvey Dent explained it perfectly in TDK! Regalingualius posted:TBH, I’m surprised we haven’t already seen culture war bullshit start over it yet They don't attack successful things. It's all about "winning," not about a real ideology, so they will go after Little Mermaid for underperforming due to a black lead, but won't go after highly rated, overperforming Spider-verse with a mostly black and Latin cast, LGBT themes, and BLM stickers because it's doing too well.
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checkplease posted:Thoughts on the soundtrack? So far I like the first movie soundtrack better with What’s up Danger and Sunflower and some others. Annihilate and Am I Dreaming (credits song) are good stuff off this one. Its more subdued and moody but also more cohesive since its just the one producer, and I think that fits the film quite a bit. Honestly if I had to have a vinyl of one of the two I'd pick this sequels album first. My standouts are Danger, Calling, Silk & Cologne, Link Up and Self Love. Link Up as used in the film especially is one of my favorite sequences.
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Sharkopath posted:
Thank you.
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Sharkopath posted:Its more subdued and moody but also more cohesive since its just the one producer, and I think that fits the film quite a bit. Honestly if I had to have a vinyl of one of the two I'd pick this sequels album first. I disagree, the movie goes all these wild places and the soundtrack feels so plain by comparison. Where are my Mumbhattan beats? Get Swet Shop Boys (or even just Heems, poo poo) in there. I think the soundtrack is better if you take out Danger, Hummingird, All The Way Live and one of the 21 Savage tracks and replace them with the bonus tracks, adds a little more variety to the album Imagine having a Kenny Beats/Dominic Fike collab in your pocket and saying “nah I want old tired Future instead” edit: I am eternally grateful that they still kept it kid-friendly. I played the first one so much at work because it was hip-hop that sounded modern but didn’t have swearing so you can play it for anyone. For my own personal enjoyment I don’t care but being able to bump good music around children is cool and fits perfectly with the movie itself DC Murderverse fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Jun 6, 2023 |
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DC Murderverse posted:I disagree, the movie goes all these wild places and the soundtrack feels so plain by comparison. Where are my Mumbhattan beats? Get Swet Shop Boys (or even just Heems, poo poo) in there. I like it since the films score is where it uses all the different sounds and motifs of all the different characters and locations and smashes them together in a huge energetic frenzy. The soundtrack pieces instead are mostly playing in quieter introspective places which fits what I see as a main theme of the film, the exploration of who you really are and how you became that way. They also do a good job of matching the themes of the songs to the themes of the action on film. IE hummingbird being a plaintive croon for a lost friend while Miles is thinking about being the most alone, and Link Up being both a song about connecting with others and being unsure of your own romantic feelings Also agree about it just being good music you can play cleanly, its cool. I remember the nontroversy though when the original film came out of how dare the producers use rappers that also swear in their other songs, think of the children etc. Sharkopath fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Jun 6, 2023 |
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Regalingualius posted:TBH, I’m surprised we haven’t already seen culture war bullshit start over it yet You’ve got a bunch of the usual right wing nerd Twitter chuds like Nerdrotic calling it the Miles Morales movie, refusing to call him Spider-Man. It’s honestly pathetic.
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The_Doctor posted:You’ve got a bunch of the usual right wing nerd Twitter chuds like Nerdrotic calling it the Miles Morales movie, refusing to call him Spider-Man. It’s honestly pathetic.
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The_Doctor posted:Miles is constantly in bisexual lighting too. And he gets the “We love and accept you!” imaginary scene, which is very coded. I find it hard to read the "being a super-hero is just the same as coming out stuff" as explicitly queer, I feel like Buffy and the X-Men movies have just made it a genre trope. It's in conversation with queerness, sure, but I can't read it as a hint towards the characters' sexualities.
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It’s not a conversation about their explicit sexualities, it’s proposing it as an analogy. I’d love a bi Miles on screen, but even I know that’s not happening.
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Pinterest Mom posted:I find it hard to read the "being a super-hero is just the same as coming out stuff" as explicitly queer, I feel like Buffy and the X-Men movies have just made it a genre trope. It's in conversation with queerness, sure, but I can't read it as a hint towards the characters' sexualities. XMen is one of the main inventors of the whole analogy since the whole comic was about Civil Rights and the analogy gradually shifts over time to who the main focus of civil rights is at the time. Darko fucked around with this message at 04:05 on Jun 6, 2023 |
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DC Murderverse posted:As for the To Be Continued, I get that a lot of people are upset about that now but I think that will fade once the second movie comes out. The only difference between this and Avengers or Harry Potter is that it wasn’t advertised explicitly as part one of two, but I think looking at this movie and thinking of everything we likely wouldn’t have gotten if it was just one film, I’d say it’s worth it. I imagine almost all of the Gwen stuff was added after that decision was made because in a 2.5 hour movie that has to start and finish the whole thing, there’s no room for that. They made the right call in the long run even if you annoy some people in the moment. left on a better note than dune 1 at least
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wish when Beyond happens, some theaters would do a double screening back to back of Into/Beyond with like a 15min intermission in between. would be all for it.
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GateOfD posted:wish when Beyond happens, some theaters would do a double screening back to back of Into/Beyond with like a 15min intermission in between. would be all for it. personally I'd probably just watch this one again a few days earlier at home since I don't want to spend 5 hours in a movie theater though
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I wonder if they'll do a Whole Bloody Affair style cut. The extended cut on the ITSV blu-ray is pretty great so I wouldn't be opposed to it
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GateOfD posted:wish when Beyond happens, some theaters would do a double screening back to back of Into/Beyond with like a 15min intermission in between. would be all for it. They did this in my hometown at least! Into the Spiderverse and Across the Spiderverse back to back...except it was on Saturday and I wanted to watch it day 1 so I skipped it. Did a similar thing with GotG too, except that one happened opening night, in the middle of the week, and well....I wasn't willing to stay out till around 3am with morning work looming
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It is absolutely absurd how much the Spiderverse films style (quite literally) over pretty much every other 3D movie out there. It's genuinely embarassing to see the previews for Elemental and go "oh yeah same basic art style of bland nothingness" and then go directly in the opening sequence which is some of the most jaw-dropping stunningly beautiful animation I can recall seeing. I don't know if this is weird to say but man did Gwen's scenes feel heavily trans-coded. I mean there's a literal 'protect Trans kids' sticker in her room but they literally drape her in the color of the trans flag multiple times and I feel like in the final sequence with her dad his badge-spot also ends up looking exactly like the flag. I'm not sure if it's as intentional as it seems since 'superhero coded as queer' is pretty old hat but man in conjunction with the whole 'gently caress canon' aspect of the plot it just stood out. And I really hope they live up to the 'gently caress canon' part of the plot. The fact that the 'plot hole' appeared seems like a warning but at the same time I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't as clear cut. I'd *much* rather the movie come away with the viewpoint of "You are who you are and who you are proud to be and nobody can tell you that you're 'fake' or 'not real' or that you have to endure the same tragedies they did or your experiences aren't valid.
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Artelier posted:They did this in my hometown at least! Into the Spiderverse and Across the Spiderverse back to back...except it was on Saturday and I wanted to watch it day 1 so I skipped it. Did a similar thing with GotG too, except that one happened opening night, in the middle of the week, and well....I wasn't willing to stay out till around 3am with morning work looming Yeah, back in 2008, my best friend, our spouses and I did midnight premieres of The Dark Knight and Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. But that was 15 years ago. He's now 50, I'm pushing 39. We're too old for that poo poo nowadays.
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ImpAtom posted:It is absolutely absurd how much the Spiderverse films style (quite literally) over pretty much every other 3D movie out there. It's genuinely embarassing to see the previews for Elemental and go "oh yeah same basic art style of bland nothingness" and then go directly in the opening sequence which is some of the most jaw-dropping stunningly beautiful animation I can recall seeing. Funny thing is that Pixar stuff is technically leagues ahead, often, and groundbreaking in the field of CG...but since they're typically pursuing figuring out how to, say, render elements better than have ever been rendered before, instead of just going for pure art design, something like this will visually make most people more blown away.
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Darko posted:Funny thing is that Pixar stuff is technically leagues ahead, often, and groundbreaking in the field of CG...but since they're typically pursuing figuring out how to, say, render elements better than have ever been rendered before, instead of just going for pure art design, something like this will visually make most people more blown away. it's all of this: https://graphics.pixar.com/library/ vs 
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Edit: just deleting just in case since spoiler tags weren't working on my phone.
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PageMaster posted:I'm actually glad the thread spoiled me on this so I could pass on watching in the theatre this week. As much as I was looking forward to it, I really can't stomache dropping two+ hours with no conclusion, but a definite digital order before the next movie for sure! I will say that I can understand your viewpoint but holy crap am I glad I saw this on a big screen. Like I could have turned off the audio and just watched two hours of the visuals and still got my money's worth.
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