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DC Murderverse posted:As for the To Be Continued, I get that a lot of people are upset about that now but I think that will fade once the second movie comes out. The only difference between this and Avengers or Harry Potter is that it wasn’t advertised explicitly as part one of two, but I think looking at this movie and thinking of everything we likely wouldn’t have gotten if it was just one film, I’d say it’s worth it. I imagine almost all of the Gwen stuff was added after that decision was made because in a 2.5 hour movie that has to start and finish the whole thing, there’s no room for that. They made the right call in the long run even if you annoy some people in the moment. The only thing that annoyed me about the movie being 2.5 hours long is that I had to piss incredibly bad so i skipped out as soon as the credits started. Was there an after credits scene?  And trans Gwen made me rally happy. What an incredible film!
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GATOS Y VATOS posted:The only thing that annoyed me about the movie being 2.5 hours long is that I had to piss incredibly bad so i skipped out as soon as the credits started. Was there an after credits scene? No after credits scene. The title card just slowly shifts from Across The Spiderverse into Beyond The Spiderverse, the name of the next movie.
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KittyEmpress posted:No after credits scene. The title card just slowly shifts from Across The Spiderverse into Beyond The Spiderverse, the name of the next movie. Groovy, thanks. I watched it in IMAX and I think I'll see it again in Dolby Cinema. I'm really stoked about this film.
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KittyEmpress posted:Spot definitely starts out as a low tier criminal and his journey into becoming a multiversal threat is entirely based on his desire for respect and the lack of it everyone gives him. He gets pretty mercilessly bullied for the first part of the film, with no one treating him with any sort of seriousness. It’s obviously hard to read too closely into the first half of the film in terms of overall themes but it’s interesting that AtSV and EEAAO have both had (to my mind) the rejection of meta-ironic detachment as coping mechanism as a throughpoint? With Spot, it’s only through a literal connection (in the Spider-Man India collider?) that Miles starts to engage with him on the level of seriousness and threat he represents. Before that he was just gleefully poking holes? Idk
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Jun 7, 2023 23:51
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I almost wonder if the next movie has and opening with Miguel’s story as part to explain him and his redemption because numerous people question him, Peter B Parker saying all Spider-people are funny and Miles asking if he’s really a Spider-Man after seeing his claws, his venomous teeth and his needing to take shots to maintain himself/his powers. On this one Gwen interrupts him and Miguel is in fact a legit hero though major rear end in a top hat. It counters him saying Miles was a mistake because Miguel is out of the norm of a normal Spider-person himself.
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Jun 8, 2023 00:14
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Miguel is just weird in the comics. 2099 didn't have the editor influence on it for most of its life because no one really cared that much. So Miguel is a very weird character since each writer basically got full control with no retcons or editor mandated changes. It's interesting that probably the Least Spiderman Spiderman is the head of the Spidermen though.
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Jun 8, 2023 00:17
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Saw it a second time and near the end You can quickly tell that Miles is In the wrong dimension from how different the room is. His I taco NY sticker is replaced with an I Burger NY one and his back wall is filled with records like his Uncle had. More importantly though he has a drafting table, magnifying glass, soldering iron, and a schematic for the prowlers gauntlet right on the wall. After seeing all that I'm leaning towards him being an anti hero, whose loss of father and Aaron's influence, as well as his own lesser abilities without spider powers means his ability to fight crime effectively is reduced dramatically.
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Besides noticing the 42 with the eye scan, the big one for me was that they intentionally frame the scene of his room so you can s3e where the toy Gwen ripped open earlier should be sitting on the desk. And it's not there, replaced with books. That was probably the most obvious give away.
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Gaius Marius posted:Saw it a second time and near the end You can quickly tell that Miles is In the wrong dimension from how different the room is. His I taco NY sticker is replaced with an I Burger NY one and his back wall is filled with records like his Uncle had. More importantly though he has a drafting table, magnifying glass, soldering iron, and a schematic for the prowlers gauntlet right on the wall. After seeing all that I'm leaning towards him being an anti hero, whose loss of father and Aaron's influence, as well as his own lesser abilities without spider powers means his ability to fight crime effectively is reduced dramatically. One thing that came to mind to me. We know 42-Miles is a lot darker and a lot more viscous but I'm curious to know what the state of the rest of the world is. Like is it possible it's a bit of a misdirect and Aaron and Miles in that world are effectively anti-heroes fighting against Alchemax or something?
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Jun 8, 2023 00:36
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I knew he was going to use the go home machine and be sent to the wrong world pretty early in the chase sequence. It was very well set up and basically inevitable. A viewer could draw the conclusion from any one of a huge number of clues. The movie is very good at having a ton of different stuff going on, but it is all coherent. All works together to support what the movie is doing.
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ImpAtom posted:One thing that came to mind to me. That's sort of what I was thinking. We see the Spider was going to bite him, and that he had his own Uncle Ben event. It's the harshest rebuke to Miguel's not a spiderman talk. If 42 Miles ended up close to Aaron and started pulling petty crime while working on the Prowler tech only to wake up to a dose of reality when his father gets caught up in it. Then goes all in on trying to stop crime, but is limited mobility and skill wise. They've even set up their own villain for that dimension with the Sinister Six being called out. And two Heroes of slightly different views getting into pointless fights before teaming up to fight the big bad is as old as comics.
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Gaius Marius posted:That's sort of what I was thinking. We see the Spider was going to bite him, and that he had his own Uncle Ben event. It's the harshest rebuke to Miguel's not a spiderman talk. If 42 Miles ended up close to Aaron and started pulling petty crime while working on the Prowler tech only to wake up to a dose of reality when his father gets caught up in it. Then goes all in on trying to stop crime, but is limited mobility and skill wise. Yeah, "Miles doesn't get bitten by Spider-Man but even without the powers still becomes a hero" feels like a natural counterpoint. You can even justify the way they were acting by "a weird clone of MIles showed up in his house talking to his mom and they are pissed about that. It ends up being a bit of bait and switch but eh.
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Wittgen posted:I knew Good for you!
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ImpAtom posted:Yeah, "Miles doesn't get bitten by Spider-Man but even without the powers still becomes a hero" feels like a natural counterpoint. You can even justify the way they were acting by "a weird clone of MIles showed up in his house talking to his mom and they are pissed about that. Like they knocked him out and then Miles 42 said he wasn't going to let Miles go which seems like them just being evil because it doesn't seem like there's any reason for it but there might be a reason which would just make it a mildly lovely thing to do rather than pointless cruelty. It's fully possible that Miles 42 has had some interaction with Alchemax in his own universe and knows that there are other universes and put together that that Miles is spiderman and want's to do a typical thing of taking his spider dna or something The whole scene is set up so that the viewer can assume that Miles 42 has just turned into a petty criminal but we really have no idea and I would like to think it would be a mistake to underestimate Miles in any universe mystes fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Jun 8, 2023 |
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The third movie is almost certainly going to be delayed.
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Kart Barfunkel posted:The third movie is almost certainly going to be delayed.
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mystes posted:why? The ongoing writers strike, voice actors saying they haven’t recorded much of anything yet, while this current film had them recording on and off for about four years.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7RvFZ6XtkI This song is one of my favorites from the movie. I love this movie more than the first, definitely. I want to see it again just to see the part this song shows up in. Kart Barfunkel posted:The ongoing writers strike, voice actors saying they haven’t recorded much of anything yet, while this current film had them recording on and off for about four years. If I'm not mistaken, wasn't this supposed to be one movie but they split it into two? So maybe the lines for Beyond are finished or something.
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My theories Imo Miguel is also an anomaly as that works with his backstory in the comics, his connection to alchemax and the "Are you even a spiderman?", "spidermen are supposed to be funny" foreshadowing that gets dropped on him. I also reckon alt miles is a good guy and that whole scene is mostly a fakeout, after his dad got killed his uncle changes his ways, or possibly he forces his uncle to change his ways and becomes antihero prowler. His uncle is looking after his mum and says he is no longer the prowler, miles took over and they made the nice pro cop mural together. They may know something about this already and have their own ends. There will be a cool action scene then they team up to fight spot/Miguel and alt miles saves Miles dad or otherwise interacts with him. I'm not sure if spot or Miguel are gonna be the final enemy, it's too obvious if its Miguel but it seems too close to the climax if its spot. Could be a new enemy, either way I think Miguel will turn good and team up against it in the end while being an antagonist for the first half, probably having spiderwoman and techspidergirl turn against him for going too far.
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Communist Thoughts posted:My theories I don't have comics 2099 knowledge, but within the context of the film itself I'd say he is (or at least, was) an anomaly, as he literally lifejacked a different version of himself, presumably long before "you're the original anomaly Miles Morales"
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Communist Thoughts posted:techspidergirl turn against him for going too far. Spider-Byte is already with Gwen at the end. She saw Miguel going all feral vampire man and clearly already decided it was too far.
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ThermoPhysical posted:If I'm not mistaken, wasn't this supposed to be one movie but they split it into two? So maybe the lines for Beyond are finished or something. It was, but Hailee Steinfeld said she hasn't recorded any dialogue for it yet.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:It was, but Hailee Steinfeld said she hasn't recorded any dialogue for it yet. Do you have a source for that? Because the dialogue should’ve been recorded literally years ago.
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MokBa posted:Do you have a source for that? Because the dialogue should’ve been recorded literally years ago. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/spider-man-across-the-spider-verse-hailee-steinfeld-1235506319/ (That part is at the very end.) Also:  And the release date for the third one has been removed from the official Twitter page. Kart Barfunkel fucked around with this message at 04:28 on Jun 8, 2023 |
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Kart Barfunkel posted:https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/spider-man-across-the-spider-verse-hailee-steinfeld-1235506319/ I think it’s a bit mixed up because she says they recorded four years ago, and back then this was supposed to be one movie. I’m 95% sure all the dialogue for both movies was in the can a VERY long time ago. She’s likely referring to a fourth, which is bound to happen at some point. I’ll give you the other point though.
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It's likely that when choosing to expand the story to two movies they would need to call in for redoing and adding new lines. I doubt they originally recorded 5 hours of dialogue and then went 'oh darn we will have to split it'. They probably hit like the 3 hour mark and then went 'well we can't resolve this this or that well. We will expand on those things here and push this to the second movie and expand those things then'
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KittyEmpress posted:No after credits scene. The title card just slowly shifts from Across The Spiderverse into Beyond The Spiderverse, the name of the next movie. Isn't about time we got beyond the Spider-verse? 
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IMO there's something oddly fitting about Miguel being the leader of a transdimensional alliance of spider-people who are mostly Peter Parker derived, perhaps specifically because he's so different. He's looking at the archetype from the outside, and quite possibly a good part of his fanaticism is because he feels out of place - that his animosity to Miles is self loathing, which considering his backstory he probably has lots of. Also that Miguel has more in common with Spider-Man villains; implicitly vampiric like Morbius, has claws and uses advanced tech like the Prowler, is involved with Alchemax, and his whole introduction with the slowly descending platform is 100% evil overlord presentation, just riffed to pieces because he's literally surrounded by trickster heroes. Which makes it a different kind of meta. He may be playing it up, possibly to wind them up.
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Two minor bits I'm just thinking of now that we're funny Miles doing multiple YouTube apology videos Gwen does the same Deeper Voice When Talking To Cops that Miles does oh and it was kind of neat how Miles-42 makes Prowler costume his own personal thing with alterations like the LED mask
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The inter-movie adventures of Miles having him make the same humorous kind of gently caress ups as Peter B was a laugh. And it being baby powder in particular is a fun callback with how Peter B admits to being a bad teacher but honestly that's practical advice that had unexpected consequences, a theme with the spider-people; they have good intentions, and sometimes screw up. ...okay, fairly often screw up. Also interesting that Miles puts a lot of effort into PR, and his relationship with the police is a lot better than Gwen's, down to having a friendly conversation with Jefferson who's comfortable enough to share his personal problems. I think that's one of the points where Miles stands out; compared to most Peters or other spider-people, he's much more extraverted and socially adept than the often aloof and/or dorky Parkers.
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Like I said in the BSS thread; How do you have your cake and eat it too? Two cakes. How do you save your dad and stop The Spot as well? Two Miles.
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That’s one of the reasons I’d love to just have a solo Miles adventure. Having more of those times where Spidey and Officer
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Actually makes me wonder what a universe with no Spider-man looks like. Aside from having a lot of rooftop fires for some reason. First thought? Without a hero to fight them, the supervillains end up fighting each other for dominance. That might be more or less what the alternate Prowler does; seems implied they're in the same business more or less as Aaron was, but Miles took over the active role. Quite possibly he's on the 'lighter shade of black' side of things, and the idea that an alternate Miles is trying to be actively heroic rather than just more competition is gonna be tricky to explain.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Actually makes me wonder what a universe with no Spider-man looks like. Aside from having a lot of rooftop fires for some reason. First thought? Without a hero to fight them, the supervillains end up fighting each other for dominance. That might be more or less what the alternate Prowler does; seems implied they're in the same business more or less as Aaron was, but Miles took over the active role. Quite possibly he's on the 'lighter shade of black' side of things, and the idea that an alternate Miles is trying to be actively heroic rather than just more competition is gonna be tricky to explain. There’s clearly a level of civilisation left, someone’s turning the handle to keep the streetlights on etc. Following on from the idea that there’s an examination of ironic detachment in the film, maybe Earth-42 will be on the theme of societies reaction to people (extraordinary or otherwise) and people’s reaction to society? Not the matte background on which the villains and heroes battle, but a look at how society is foregrounded? In Earth 42 - If you can create a squad of Rhinos, could anyone ever protest again? What does Spider-Man/Miles Prowler look like if he has to battle police to save people?
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Like I said in the BSS thread; How do you have your cake and eat it too? Two cakes. How do you save your dad and stop The Spot as well? Two Miles. Yeah I think this is probably it. Oooo man seeing all those nice story beats resolve is gonna feel so good hahaha
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So apparently the Lego sequence was done by a 14 year old: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/07/movies/spider-man-across-the-spider-verse-lego.html
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Lego Spider-man being a thing and being proportionately sized is just loving gold and I hope he shows up at the eleventh hour.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Actually makes me wonder what a universe with no Spider-man looks like. Aside from having a lot of rooftop fires for some reason. First thought? Without a hero to fight them, the supervillains end up fighting each other for dominance. That might be more or less what the alternate Prowler does; seems implied they're in the same business more or less as Aaron was, but Miles took over the active role. Quite possibly he's on the 'lighter shade of black' side of things, and the idea that an alternate Miles is trying to be actively heroic rather than just more competition is gonna be tricky to explain. I don't think so to be honest. There's no Sinister Six in Miles' world that we've seen, but there is in alternate Miles' world. it suggests they're working together. It's just now there's nothing stopping them.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Lego Spider-man being a thing and being proportionately sized is just loving gold and I hope he shows up at the eleventh hour. What’s he going to do? Get in the way so the bad guy step on him?
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:What’s he going to do? Get in the way so the bad guy step on him? https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/why-walking-legos-hurts-more-walking-fire-or-ice-180970784/
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