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freelop posted:Thinking back to those Russian armoured vehicles with the naval guns welded on top They were monitoring the ground.
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Jun 8, 2023 07:10
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:The bouncing bomb was a special designed bomb that required a very exact attack profile and also placement in the depths of the water storage to work - Too far away did nothing. Just throwing a missile or hurling a handful of artillery will not work. One of the bouncing bombs exploded at the base of a dam and didnt even scratch it Well, they MIGHT work, and Wallis' original plan was to drop a 10 ton "earthquake bomb" on the dams from a great height and blast them apart with sheer explosive force, but turns out it was almost impossible to hit a dam with World War II era bombs, because they were not guided and did not have anything close to the accuracy needed to hit what is a small slice when viewed from above. The allies initially considered using torpedoes to attack the Möhne and Edersee dams, but that wasn't feasible because the nazis had foreseen the possibility and installed torpedo nets in the rivers leading up to the dams. If these nets hadn't existed, the allies calculated that torpedo hits could breach the dams, but I don't remember off hand if that was based on just one hit or multiple hits. The bouncing bombs bypassed these protections, and additionally because they had a strong backspin applied to them prior to being dropped from the Lancasters, once they hit the dam, they continued spinning which kept the bombs kind of rolling down the inside surface of the dam causing them to detonate right against the surface, multiplying their explosive force. The whole Operation Chastise was extremely fascinating, and I wholeheartedly recommend Max Hastings' book "Chastise: The Dambusters Story". E: the aftermath of the dams getting blown up is depressing reading because a bunch of people died in the floods, and many of them were prisoners of war or slaves. And because the allies didn't follow up, the nazis were able to repair the damaged dams fairly quickly so the whole operation was more of a PR stunt than an actual war-winning effort. Shaman Tank Spec fucked around with this message at 07:27 on Jun 8, 2023 |
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Jun 8, 2023 07:20
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Nothing can dam the flow of poo poo from Vova.
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Jun 8, 2023 07:35
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Douche Wolf 89 posted:uhhh sure but i'm saying "Dams are beefy but they're not designed to counter munitions" based off wiki and i guess that ep of the simpsons with niles is dumb. they are now and have been ever since someone paying for one to last longer than a war thought "what if they drag a cannon over there?" it's vital infrastructure an enemy would definitely target, not a rinky dink money laundering operation lol Either way, the discussion is redundant, it's pretty obvious it's down to Russia, the original question was purely hypothetical so chill out. I hope they do find out how it failed though, a as we need to know who to blame for the war crime trial, and b because if it failed due to negligence there is some learning to come from that. Roblo fucked around with this message at 09:09 on Jun 8, 2023 |
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Jun 8, 2023 08:09
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https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1666705701656305665 The smooker paid another visit to Luhansk today. Since the hits were recorded, cellphone connectivity is gone.
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Jun 8, 2023 08:56
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HonorableTB posted:I was in model United Nations in college as the head position paper writer for the NATO committee lol
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Jun 8, 2023 09:04
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This is from yesterday but has before/after satellite shots of the flooded areas: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/07/kakhovka-dam-flooding-ukraine-before-and-after-satellite-images-reservoir-kherson-oblast and some dog rescues from the affected areas https://i.imgur.com/ChK0tvC.mp4
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Jun 8, 2023 09:27
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https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1666718368462774275
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Jun 8, 2023 09:29
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mobby_6kl posted:This is from yesterday but has before/after satellite shots of the flooded areas: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/07/kakhovka-dam-flooding-ukraine-before-and-after-satellite-images-reservoir-kherson-oblast Someone was quoted on the guardian as saying 68% of the flooded areas are on the Russian side. Hell of an own goal - wonder how many conscripts they lost.
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Jun 8, 2023 09:30
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Roblo posted:Someone was quoted on the guardian as saying 68% of the flooded areas are on the Russian side. Hell of an own goal - wonder how many conscripts they lost. According to UA general staff, they sustained heavy casualties in wounded and drowned mobiks in the flooded area and lost all or almost all the equipment, ammo, armor, and heavy weapons in the field depots along the defense line.
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Jun 8, 2023 09:38
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zone posted:According to UA general staff, they sustained heavy casualties in wounded and drowned mobiks in the flooded area and lost all or almost all the equipment, ammo, armor, and heavy weapons in the field depots along the defense line. Strangely no reduction in the overall combat effectiveness of the Russian army. That being said, I'm not sure I buy the stories of Russian soldiers drowning to death, since that would imply mass death among civilians in the same area as well
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Jun 8, 2023 09:39
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zone posted:According to UA general staff, they sustained heavy casualties in wounded and drowned mobiks in the flooded area and lost all or almost all the equipment, ammo, armor, and heavy weapons in the field depots along the defense line. UA general staff insists it has destroyed invasion force twice over already, they are not reliable for information tbh
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Jun 8, 2023 09:43
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fatherboxx posted:UA general staff insists it has destroyed invasion force twice over already, they are not reliable for information tbh You're confusing them with the russian MoD
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Jun 8, 2023 09:52
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mobby_6kl posted:You're confusing them with the russian MoD Claiming that they have already killed 200000+ russian soldiers (and thus around 500-600k wounded) is on the level with Russian MoD fantasies. At least they dont invent vehicle destruction out of nothing, granted.
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Jun 8, 2023 09:59
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steinrokkan posted:Strangely no reduction in the overall combat effectiveness of the Russian army. There may well be mass death, though. Casualty reports tend to be quite slow for flooding - people get found drowned in lofts etc and often aren't found until waters have reversed. And that's in peace time, let alone a warzone where apparently the Russians have been shooting at rescuers. It's horrible. Bear in mind it was still rising up until yesterday evening, I think? (Might still be, not got any good info on that) I can imagine lots of the mobiks were in the low lying land near the river too so that just puts them more at risk.
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Jun 8, 2023 10:03
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zone posted:Since the hits were recorded, cellphone connectivity is gone. Welp, there goes Russia's comms network.
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Jun 8, 2023 10:07
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steinrokkan posted:Strangely no reduction in the overall combat effectiveness of the Russian army. Depends on where the fortifications were relative to civilian settlements. It's fairly plausible Russia had troops stationed near the banks to prevent Ukraine from sneaking troops over the Dnipro to raid the Russian rear. Those guys probably had the easiest time of all frontline troops, until their trenches and pillboxes started flooding.  The extent of civilian casualties and property damage will probably remain unknown until Ukraine liberates Kherson oblast, because they will be heavily concentrated on the Russian-controlled east side of the river. The western bank rises fairly steeply out of the river while the eastern bank is a low-lying floodplain.
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Jun 8, 2023 10:10
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Jasper Tin Neck posted:Depends on where the fortifications were relative to civilian settlements. It's fairly plausible Russia had troops stationed near the banks to prevent Ukraine from sneaking troops over the Dnipro to raid the Russian rear. Those guys probably had the easiest time of all frontline troops, until their trenches and pillboxes started flooding. It's stuff like this that makes me question whether it was intentional. It seems like such an own goal for Russia. Even if you block the area downstream from assaults (while destroying your carefully prepared fortifications) you've potentially opened up a much larger area upstream to easier attacks. I know Russia is incompetent but this seems next level.
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Jun 8, 2023 10:34
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Deteriorata posted:No NATO countries are going to put troops in Ukraine while the war is still going on. As others have said, this is far off speculation, but I would be quite concerned if this happened. This kind of half-way house poo poo, signals divisions in NATO that Russia could exploit. Multiple commentators (Vexler and others) have suggested that Putin wants to try to stabilise the current situation, loosen Russia's isolation, re-arm, and mobilise society under a more totalitarian revanchist regime (as opposed to current authoritarianism and indifferent population). He very likely wants to have another go in the late 2020s, after Western support to Ukraine and its current unity has likely further eroded (with more Orbans and populists around). He would very much like to try and split NATO, and 'reveal Article 5 to be the bluff he believes it to be'. This kind of split in NATO, where willing countries put tripwire forces into Ukraine, creates ambiguity that could be exploited. It would be unclear whether countries like Germany, France, or the US (under a potential Republican Presidency) would consider troops from NATO countries in Ukraine to be 'Article 5 protected'. Putin would love to create a situation that splits the alliance - where the Baltics or other peripheral states come under attack, and France, Germany and others hem and haw, leading to splits. Now whether this actually happens? Probably not - it all depends on Russia being able to stabilise the current war and not imploding, and then managing to rearm whilst the West dithers and divides itself. But I really wish this halfway house poo poo would stop - just get Ukraine the proper security guarantees it needs. Ideally full NATO membership.
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Jun 8, 2023 11:02
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https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1666625469150625792?s=20
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Jun 8, 2023 11:07
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  even posters in Russia can't stand each other
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Jun 8, 2023 11:09
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Horsebanger posted:If Putin dressed as M. Bison I'd take him far more seriously. Hell, 
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Jun 8, 2023 11:19
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Bison dollars are worth more than the rouble even without the queen https://twitter.com/DevanaUkraine/status/1666730670633230336?s=20
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Jun 8, 2023 11:35
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Wait... why would Wagner capture a Russian officer? What's going on?
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Jun 8, 2023 11:37
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Randarkman posted:Wait... why would Wagner capture a Russian officer? What's going on? They blamed him for drunkenly ordering artillery strikes to Wagner positions, or leaking their positions to Ukrainian army.
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Jun 8, 2023 11:44
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Randarkman posted:Wait... why would Wagner capture a Russian officer? What's going on? https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1665462469119148033?s=20 it's just an extension of their army hazing, sexual assault included but now with branch infighting
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Jun 8, 2023 11:44
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Randarkman posted:Wait... why would Wagner capture a Russian officer? What's going on? A series of slow moving coups and the end result of mass cronyism and warlords under Poopin Turns out running your country like the Godfather with an intense love of all things hyper toxic masculine does not create a stable government/ society/ military TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 11:49 on Jun 8, 2023 |
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Jun 8, 2023 11:46
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Think about how unified the Russian military and security apparatus is, now imagine how awesome its gonna be if Putin suddenly died.
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Jun 8, 2023 11:47
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NATO troops in Ukraine would not be covered under Article 5. Check Article 6. https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/official_texts_17120.htm?selectedLocale=en quote:
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Jun 8, 2023 11:53
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Tigey posted:As others have said, this is far off speculation, but I would be quite concerned if this happened. I think that's what this rhetoric is about - might the scenario described with a fractured NATO unfold? Its not impossible, even if its unlikely, which is why its being stressed that they should get their poo poo together in July.
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Jun 8, 2023 11:55
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Контрнаступ enjoyers are going to have a good time https://twitter.com/GraniTweet/status/1666721050439081985
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Jun 8, 2023 12:39
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lmao even the russian media is saying that the dam can't be blown up via shelling and that it requires explosives. Gee, I wonder who has access to the dam..
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Jun 8, 2023 12:39
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:The dam was blown up at 6:00 AM, on the 6th day, of the , 6th month. Hail gay satan
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Jun 8, 2023 12:40
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Tai posted:lmao even the russian media is saying that the dam can't be blown up via shelling and that it requires explosives. really weird how they don't even have a lovely Loose Change clip of a nato dick rocket slamming into the dam they controlled
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Jun 8, 2023 12:41
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mobby_6kl posted:You're confusing them with the russian MoD He said twice over, not twenty times over.
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Jun 8, 2023 12:53
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Pretty decent armored column with at least 2 leopards and a bunch of APCs looks like it got smoked :/ https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1666727040911908864?s=46&t=DD0vzTZtKt-jEdi0QLOPZw
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Jun 8, 2023 13:20
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Jesus christ, this is the craziest thing https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1666784520249438209 Artillery shell lands close enough for the people to get splashed, but since it landed in water it doesn't kill them. (Or maybe a dud?)
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Jun 8, 2023 13:39
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TulliusCicero posted:A series of slow moving coups and the end result of mass cronyism and warlords under Poopin Arrest Russia under RICO laws
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Jun 8, 2023 13:40
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Klyith posted:Jesus christ, this is the craziest thing You know what's mad about that? Someone got a photo of it landing. You can tell that there was actually a boat that was even closer to where that shell landed.  You know what's even madder? Someone got a photo of the photo being taken. 
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Scrungus posted:Pretty decent armored column with at least 2 leopards and a bunch of APCs looks like it got smoked :/ everything is a Leopard 
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