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So, I've sorted out a ride or die team of 6 primary characters Gepard FireMC Jing Yuan Seele Natasha (E6!) Tingyun In your opinions, what two or three five-stars would be the best fit for that? Bronya seems obvious. Need another healer for sure, be it Bailu if I pull her or Luocha. I feel like the ideal is to have like 10 ride or die max level characters that have good coverage. Welt would be good because I literally don't have any nihility characters or imaginary characters (obviously), and I have a near-perfect 5-star relic waiting for him. Blade would help cover wind damage. Any options I'm missing?
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acumen posted:What characters are you using? Level/LC/relics/traces all maxed? Path? Seele, Himeko, Gepard, Welt, and Bronya (unbuilt) for 5 stars, most or all 4 stars (Natasha, March, Pela at 60, a few more at 50). I usually run some combo of Seele, Tingyun, some shields or heals, and something to break the bosses weakness. I'll have EL4 in a few days. It's just weird that I can auto SU4-2, 5-1, and 6-1 but multiple tries at 3-2 all fail, sometimes at the second elite. E: tried abundance for 3-2 multiple times, most recently with damage spread and virtually every damage prevention option picked but my Natasha was low on HP and eventually died then lost the rest.
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Jun 9, 2023 03:01
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As bad as your day might be, it's not as bad as the day this trotter is having. Aquila posted:Seele, Himeko, Gepard, Welt, and Bronya (unbuilt) for 5 stars, most or all 4 stars (Natasha, March, Pela at 60, a few more at 50). I usually run some combo of Seele, Tingyun, some shields or heals, and something to break the bosses weakness. I'll have EL4 in a few days. It's just weird that I can auto SU4-2, 5-1, and 6-1 but multiple tries at 3-2 all fail, sometimes at the second elite. I almost beat 3-2 at level 50 with none of those power hitters. Preservation path with Fire TB/Nat/Seele/Tingyun should make it a piece of cake.
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Jun 9, 2023 03:19
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Silver Wolf is absurd. Simply slotting her into my SU team instead of Bronya (FMC, Natasha, SW, Sushang) had me breezing through SU 4-3 5-2 and 6-2 back to back. Her def shred and weakness implanting makes it a no-brainer to run abundance and be effectively immortal, while still dealing lots of damage. It's particularly hilarious when you get the (nihility?) bonus that spreads breaks to adjacent enemies and stack that with the increased weakness efficiency one. I think my Sushang went 7 times in a row during that fight.
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Jun 9, 2023 03:56
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JT Jag posted:So, I've sorted out a ride or die team of 6 primary characters Silver Wolf is really good. Even besides her weakness creation gimmick working well with Seele and/or any time you have two of the same element on a team (Jing Yuan and Tingyun, for example,) she also does other strong debuffs, pretty good damage, pretty good break, and her technique can start battles with effectively one big weakness hit on everything whether it's weak to Quantum or not. Plus she's cool.
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Jun 9, 2023 04:29
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What, specifically, are people doing to make any progress in MoC without Bailu? I can't even beat stage 3. It seems like none of the existing Preservation characters can keep a party alive through two whole miniboss fights on their own. The Trailblazer's shields are too small, Gepard doesn't have enough uptime, and March can't protect the whole party at once.
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Jun 9, 2023 04:37
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Kyrosiris posted:As bad as your day might be, it's not as bad as the day this trotter is having. yeah I was very close at 50 too, I think a few people here pulled it off at the time. I used Hunt though, party would've been fireMC/Seele/Welt/Nat FractalSandwich posted:What, specifically, are people doing to make any progress in MoC without Bailu? I can't even beat stage 3. It seems like none of the existing Preservation characters can keep a party alive through two whole miniboss fights on their own. The Trailblazer's shields are too small, Gepard doesn't have enough uptime, and March can't protect the whole party at once. fireMC+M7 are what I'm using for my second team, but I also have Welt. His slows/imprison help mitigate some damage too
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Jun 9, 2023 04:53
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FractalSandwich posted:What, specifically, are people doing to make any progress in MoC without Bailu? I can't even beat stage 3. It seems like none of the existing Preservation characters can keep a party alive through two whole miniboss fights on their own. The Trailblazer's shields are too small, Gepard doesn't have enough uptime, and March can't protect the whole party at once. if you make a real set of defense gear for fireMC, should be able to cover one side by herself. And keep your healer on the otherside. MoC is definitely when you really need to invest some energy and time in getting a halfway decent set.
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Jun 9, 2023 04:56
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I've yet to get my rear end past FH14, mostly out of laziness and not really caring.
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Jun 9, 2023 05:20
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I basically feel myself waiting til Kafka so then I have a big carry (Seele/Kafka) on each side. I could easily do it now but eh. I prefer going in when I feel I have two teams I want to use rather than forcing myself to scrabble. Also only one 'team' worth of chars is even remotely built for me.
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Jun 9, 2023 05:32
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My 15 clear was a tad slow so I haven't bothered trying MoC yet.
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Jun 9, 2023 05:37
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i'm running into these lost trotters like every 1/2 or 1/3 battles, which is kind of annoying because the AI is definitely really bad at knowing it should go for instead of the bats because they will die instantly
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Jun 9, 2023 05:38
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Eimi posted:I basically feel myself waiting til Kafka so then I have a big carry (Seele/Kafka) on each side. I could easily do it now but eh. I prefer going in when I feel I have two teams I want to use rather than forcing myself to scrabble. Also only one 'team' worth of chars is even remotely built for me. This is where I'm at too, FH/MoC just looks like a big stat check and forcing myself to clear it with underleveled units just sounds miserable for not that much reward in the end, and I don't really want to level units I know I'm not gonna use long-term purely for the sake of clearing MoCs early. It's only a couple patches' worth of jades lost until I get my Blade team and my Kafka team set up and I'll just deal with it until then.
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Jun 9, 2023 05:42
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Didn't get SW with the 30 free pulls I had saved up and decided to bite the gacha bullet and spent bux for a 10 roll and got her twice for the E1 lol. Playing the lottery tomorrow or something.
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Jun 9, 2023 05:59
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I have FH down but don't have enough strong teams to start MoC. Guess with Bailu I can start though I need to farm more relics and trace mats
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Jun 9, 2023 06:45
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FractalSandwich posted:What, specifically, are people doing to make any progress in MoC without Bailu? I can't even beat stage 3. It seems like none of the existing Preservation characters can keep a party alive through two whole miniboss fights on their own. The Trailblazer's shields are too small, Gepard doesn't have enough uptime, and March can't protect the whole party at once. I'm using Bailu on one side, but she could very easily be nat. As for the other side, I'm using gepard with defense 4pc set and ornament sets. With Def% on orb and chest, speed boots and regen rope. Using Day one as his LC, though I was using wildfire for the longest time till I pulled it a few days ago. He's 60/70 with a level 7 ult, level 4 basic and level 3 talent and skill. Cleared up to MoC 5 2*, and he's (and bailu/nat) are not the issues for getting cleared through MoC 6, my undergeared sushang is.
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Jun 9, 2023 06:59
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The first few floors of MoC aren't really hard and if you can unlock MoC in the first place you can almost definitely handle at least MoC 1 or 2. It scales up pretty rapidly, but MoC 1 is pretty simple.
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Jun 9, 2023 07:10
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Kanos posted:
a moc-ery if you will
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FractalSandwich posted:What, specifically, are people doing to make any progress in MoC without Bailu? I can't even beat stage 3. It seems like none of the existing Preservation characters can keep a party alive through two whole miniboss fights on their own. The Trailblazer's shields are too small, Gepard doesn't have enough uptime, and March can't protect the whole party at once. My understanding is a built Gepard can go quite deep into MoC without a healer. Currently in the process of testing this out.
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Yeah Silver Wolf is really making things so much easier. Sorry Tingyun but being able to consistently break enemies is making battles go by faster than your powerful buffs. I think she'd only seem a tad disappointing if you already had Welt maybe? But I don't have him so it works.Meowywitch posted:by the way I don't think we have a honkai impact third thread but Sirin aka Kiana Kaslana K-423 is an epic character and I'd like to see her, or a take on her in this game Honestly love Sirin and her progression throughout 3rd, learning that her earlier ditzy personality was mostly her trying to make herself endearing to others since deep down she's a depressed lonely girl with a split personality that could wipe out humanity, who is self-sacrificial to a fault being raised as a Kaslana and needed to painfully learn that her life matters to her friends too. I'd actually love to discuss 3rd more but yeah, this is the only Honkai related thread on the forums as far as I can tell.
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My main issue with MoC is DPS. Seele is my carrier so whatever team she's on slaps through the first boss then the next team just burns slowly through my turns so I 0 star it. I'll need some more Hunt chars for team 2 (guess I could use Dan Heng or Sushang)
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Managed to clear Forgotten Hall through level 11. Team 1 was March, Nat, Serval and Sampo. Team 2 was Fireblazer, Welt, Sushang and Asta. Everyone is at level 50, the enemies were at 55. It honestly went pretty well. I'm going to switch Fireblazer and Nat for level 12 just to see how I like it. Believe it or not, my main DPS on both teams are my Nihility characters. I've been blessed with a number of excellent light cones for them that I honestly have a difficult time choosing which one is the best. I even have a copy of In the Name of the World and an e2 Welt and e3 Sampo. They are bonkers.
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Jun 9, 2023 13:54
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If you have e1 Sushang, definitely use her. She's basically Seele light at that point and you can use her skill twice and pop her ultimate for the cost of 1 skill point. I still prefer Asta over Tingyun. Party wide speed buff and a party wide attack buff, plus she's an excellent firebreaker. But I'm also trying double dps strategies instead of a hard carry. And and, I'm still in FH. I might change my mind once I hit MoC. I might need to use Jing Yuan over Serval. Is an e0 Jing better than an e3 Serval?
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MarcusSA posted:This company seems to make a poo poo load of money That's a crazy profit to revenue ratio, drat. Also hey, Echo of War is playing the right music now. 
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Jun 9, 2023 14:17
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an e0 5 star is almost always going to be better than any 4 stars. maybe an e6 4 star can sometimes get to the same level if built way up
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Jun 9, 2023 14:21
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Tatsuta Age posted:an e0 5 star is almost always going to be better than any 4 stars. maybe an e6 4 star can sometimes get to the same level if built way up
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Tatsuta Age posted:an e0 5 star is almost always going to be better than any 4 stars. maybe an e6 4 star can sometimes get to the same level if built way up I wouldn't really go that far - Dan Heng and Sushang are both competitive with 5* dps even at low e#'s and Tingyun might be more universally useful than Bronya. Light Cone can also make a big difference but imo the biggest thing at this point is how invested they are since resources are finite unless you've been blowing lots of money on refreshes and stuff. A maxed out e0 level 70 Sushang will be way stronger than a level 60 e6 Seele with her LC. All other things being equal I'd be taking JY over Serval any day though.
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dan heng's damage is actually slightly higher than yanqing's at equivalent investment, yanqing's big advantage is all the free stats he gets meaning that at low investment/weaker relics hes way better
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Tatsuta Age posted:an e0 5 star is almost always going to be better than any 4 stars. maybe an e6 4 star can sometimes get to the same level if built way up True enough. Looking into it, Jing Yuan would force me into a hard carry strat. It's an option if I hit a wall.
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What is a Tycoon game doing in my JRPG gacha 
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FractalSandwich posted:What, specifically, are people doing to make any progress in MoC without Bailu? I can't even beat stage 3. It seems like none of the existing Preservation characters can keep a party alive through two whole miniboss fights on their own. The Trailblazer's shields are too small, Gepard doesn't have enough uptime, and March can't protect the whole party at once. I managed 6 stars last cycle and 9 stars this cycle in MoC without Bailu/Gepard. I've had most luck running solo March on side 1 and Natasha/TB on side 2 - also getting a little healing between side 1 fights from a high refine We Are Wildfire cone. This generally makes side 1 an extremely sketchy dps race where I might need to retry if aggro goes wrong, but when I get through that I can be confident that side 2 wont screw things up.
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blizzardvizard posted:What is a Tycoon game doing in my JRPG gacha I got a good laugh at ruining Serval's resume.
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I got SW in one 10-pull, and have over 150 more pulls saved up. My hourly mantra is "pulling for eidolons is stupid." I must stay strong!
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i got to 15/15 to stage 5 MoC but MoC6+ is the next big wall/difficulty spike instead of two single battles on each side. its one on each side, but you have to do a 3/3 wave on each side. Was still able to split my tank and healer on each team. But now gonna really want a tank and healer on each one.
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Well looks like I have E1 Sushang and an E3 Dan. I'll likely favor Sushang since I have Sampo for Wind breaks. I think I've 2 MoC Teams good to go: 1. E4 Fire MC, E4 Natasha, E2 Sampo, E0 Seele 2. E0 Welt, E0 Bailu, E1 Sushang and E6 Asta? I also have: E3 Tingyun E2 Serval E3 March7 E3 Dan E0 Qingque E6 Herta E1 Pela I can also swap out Sampo for Ting in T1 to boost Seele even more but she shreds
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GateOfD posted:drat, they really did not have to go so hard on this museum tycoon event I'm not sure if this is their long-term strategy, or if it's a stopgap thing while they're all hands on deck finishing the Luofu story, but I much prefer it this way.
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GateOfD posted:i got to 15/15 to stage 5 MoC From that point every moc stage has a massive difficulty increase, 7-1 and 8-2 are both insane.
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m.hache posted:Well looks like I have E1 Sushang and an E3 Dan. I'll likely favor Sushang since I have Sampo for Wind breaks. I think I've 2 MoC Teams good to go: On team 1, bringing Tingyun in place of your sub-DPS can also help keep your skill point consumption under control, if you find that to be a problem. Otherwise looking good. Glad people are coming around on Asta, I think she's great - and synergiezes well with Sampo for a Nihility SU team since her basic inflicts burn
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