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Vox Nihili posted:There isn't really an end date where the apocalypse happens all at once. poo poo will just continue to get progressively worse and a lot of people will continue to pretend nothing is happening even when it's at a point that we today would imagine is unbearably awful. People without money will suffer worse than everyone else, as they always do, especially the elderly and vulnerable. I'm not so sure. Chaotic systems can break down suddenly and unpredictably.
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Jun 11, 2023 05:18
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im a chemist, no way I make it past 80 without getting some weirdly specific cancer
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Jun 11, 2023 05:31
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Hubbert posted:little did we know that the "c" in c-spam stood for "collapse" this entire time I think we all knew
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Jun 11, 2023 05:32
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Mustached Demon posted:im a chemist, no way I make it past 80 without getting some weirdly specific cancer With all the microplastics in our blood it’s inevitable.
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Jun 11, 2023 05:33
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FlapYoJacks posted:There are ice core samplings that show a few years where temperatures jump several C in just a few years. With Siberia and Greenland melting and several trillion tons of methane being dumped into the air at once when it happens, we may see a few REALLY bad years rather quickly. It's certainly possible, although I doubt that sort of event plays out how Hollywood would portray it. I certainly wouldn't plan your life or the lives of your loved ones around the idea that society will just come to a screeching halt one day.
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Jun 11, 2023 05:53
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Vox Nihili posted:It's certainly possible, although I doubt that sort of event plays out how Hollywood would portray it. I certainly wouldn't plan your life or the lives of your loved ones around the idea that society will just come to a screeching halt one day. Speaking as someone who actually works in emergency management and whose job is to ensure that we are prepared for the sort of crises that are coming, you should rethink this stance. There is very little resiliency built into any modern system compared to what we need, even the most critical ones. They're already overstrained from underinvestment and institutional neglect in most areas. Have a plan to go without running water for a year plus, at minimum. I do a lot of work with water utilities and poo poo is pretty dire. Kesper North has issued a correction as of 06:11 on Jun 11, 2023 |
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Jun 11, 2023 06:09
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fits my needs posted:lmao is the strategy really to say that its just a political bill and that the workers shouldnt worry about it? lol got any better ideas???
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Jun 11, 2023 06:14
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how does one "plan" to go without running water for a year or more? like do i need to have some well-digging equipment in the garage next to the power drill?
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Jun 11, 2023 06:15
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got to get one of those Y-shaped sticks from looney tunes
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Jun 11, 2023 06:17
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Shear Modulus posted:how does one "plan" to go without running water for a year or more? like do i need to have some well-digging equipment in the garage next to the power drill? squirrel away some gold doubloons and use them to get yourself to a functional country
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Jun 11, 2023 06:18
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When the water wars come, I'm going to be shot and killed for my solar-powered well.
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Jun 11, 2023 06:20
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Shear Modulus posted:how does one "plan" to go without running water for a year or more? like do i need to have some well-digging equipment in the garage next to the power drill? you simply steal it from someone
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Jun 11, 2023 06:21
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Homeless Friend posted:got any better ideas??? arrest them so they cant leave
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Jun 11, 2023 06:24
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in the US we already have armed gangs assaulting water supplies lol
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Jun 11, 2023 06:26
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Shear Modulus posted:how does one "plan" to go without running water for a year or more? like do i need to have some well-digging equipment in the garage next to the power drill? costco sells coke zero in 35 packs, time to start stocking up!
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Jun 11, 2023 06:38
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Shear Modulus posted:how does one "plan" to go without running water for a year or more? like do i need to have some well-digging equipment in the garage next to the power drill? That depends on you means and your local conditions, but the basic CDC recommendation is plan for 1 gallon per person per day for drinking, bathing and cleaning. So a total of 360 gallons for one person for a year. For the majority of people it's not possible to store more than a few months due to limitations on living space and safe storage methodology, which speaks to the wider point of the risk of systemic collapse, because what happens when nobody's got water left and it'll take another year to fix all the snapped water mains after (local example) the big earthquake? There are ways to work around this - your plan might include mutual aid with your neighbors - but more people means needing to store more water total, so that has to be factored into the plan. Other problem is you can't store it forever, you have to be cycling the supply out. CDC, again, recommends a maximum dwell time of 6 months on stored water - you want to either dump it or use it at that point. Probably less if the location it's stored in exceeds 70degF on a regular basis. Local agencies and FEMA will be trying to solve the problem with tanker trucks and distribution points, but they can only handle so many simultaneous emergencies. The real issue we face is that we're getting to the point where there's too many simultaneous emergencies for the level of funding, and of course chuds freak out whenever somebody breathes the word FEMA, so that ain't happening. The response will also depend heavily on the amount of give-a-poo poo on the part of federal elected leaders. Think back to the conditions people faced during Katrina and Puerto Rico and how lackluster the federal response was to those emergencies, then have events of similar scale happening pretty much everywhere simultaneously, and you've got a picture of how bad it's likely to be in the 2040s. Kesper North has issued a correction as of 07:01 on Jun 11, 2023 |
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Jun 11, 2023 06:52
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If that level of systemic collapse happens, I'm not going to survive it, so there's not much point in planning for it. I don't think most of us have the means to store 360 gallons of water.
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Jun 11, 2023 06:58
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It's simple, if "The Collapse" [tm] happens and you live in a sufficiently large densely populated city you either die, or you kill enough other people in your large densely populated city that whatever resources remain can sustain whatever population that remains. If you're in a rural area what might be self sustainable you now have to *defend (spelling error) and protect it from all the rats streaming out of the city. It's all a numbers game really. What do you do if you don't have say enough water? Die or take someone elses. If you can't find or take someone elses, you also die. They'll all be doing the same to you too. I would love to do all sorts of doomsday planning but without access to modern medicines it's all a moot point for me, so I just don't worry about it. edit - spelling DancingShade has issued a correction as of 07:01 on Jun 11, 2023 |
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Jun 11, 2023 06:58
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i think i'll just die instead of doing any of that
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Jun 11, 2023 06:58
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i too am hosed if this happens. i would very much like to cancel this apocalypse but we keep doing all the wrong things, as a species
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Jun 11, 2023 07:05
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Zokari posted:i think i'll just die instead of doing any of that
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Jun 11, 2023 07:12
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Drought > famine > war > lol > lmao
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Jun 11, 2023 07:14
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Yeah it’s really easy to believe things will get progressively worse but it’s going to go to poo poo rather quickly in a couple years time. A few years of bad crop yields, increasingly violent storms loving our supply chains, more medicine shortages, and society break down real quick.
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Jun 11, 2023 07:18
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shrike82 posted:goons are too invested in a violent climate apocalypse when the more probable event is you hit your 60s and you're going to be homeless and working retail/services till you're dead My dads 70+ now SS let him go down to part time retail. Their housing costs are about 350 a month though, atleast the tiny trailer park ain’t got bought.
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Jun 11, 2023 07:38
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It's like none of you have even heard of Elon Musk and Tesla. it'll be fine. I loving love science
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Jun 11, 2023 07:58
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again, the best thing you can learn to do right now is grow food, and make friends with other people who grow different kinds of food
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Jun 11, 2023 08:00
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if you don't know what build to go for I suggest mushrooms. cool as poo poo and they do really good dps. you don't even need light so you can keep your squalid goon cave dark and horrifying
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Jun 11, 2023 08:18
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i was thinking of xaris reddit shorting because the reddit third party apps are being owned by new api pricing (monetizing public post ftw) and i was lolling at the tearful shut down post 
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Jun 11, 2023 08:47
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Xaris posted:there’s an unfortunate strain of capital pilled folks like Mark Blyth that know what their bread is buttered with and stop short of this because the c-word will get them blacklisted and thrown in the dumpster and ignored by their fellow liberal class if they even dare mention it Graeber? Piketty?
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Jun 11, 2023 09:03
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Maximo Roboto posted:Graeber? Piketty? graebers dead and piketty is also the same strain of mark blyth. he's like an MMT lib, like blyth. that is the fundamental framework of private property is good but maybe we should redistribute some wealth money with taxes which yes but also lol they can't take the plunge in realizing it's private property, which is capitalism, that's the problem and you aint gunna just progressively tax the problems away.
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Jun 11, 2023 09:32
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We just had our first brush with the veterinary system and gently caress anything even related to medical care. Our male cat has a UTI; 36 hour watch/flush and could cost just under $5,000, wtttffff  dude.I haven't felt as powerless as I did in the moment of going from "let's fix our sick cat" to "fixing your cat will start at 3 grand and that's if everything goes perfectly". Sigh.
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Jun 11, 2023 09:40
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Taima posted:We just had our first brush with the veterinary system and gently caress anything even related to medical care. Our male cat has a UTI; 36 hour watch/flush and could cost just under $5,000, wtttffff yup. i've dropped high end of four figures on my dog for various things over the years like just treating a big allergic reaction or teeth removal. count yourself lucky if this is your first time there's a reason most people just end up ignoring pet health or abandoning them if htey get too sick
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Jun 11, 2023 09:43
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Taima posted:We just had our first brush with the veterinary system and gently caress anything even related to medical care. Our male cat has a UTI; 36 hour watch/flush and could cost just under $5,000, wtttffff emergency vet? ur def gonna get owned.
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Jun 11, 2023 09:46
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Taima posted:We just had our first brush with the veterinary system and gently caress anything even related to medical care. Our male cat has a UTI; 36 hour watch/flush and could cost just under $5,000, wtttffff Recently at work someone's dog needed vet care and they ended up having to spend $4,000. all US healthcare is a hostage situation Xaris posted:yup. i've dropped high end of four figures on my dog for various things over the years like just treating a big allergic reaction or teeth removal. I just quit having pets over this kind of thing. Hitting that area where it's a vague problem causing my dog pain that no vet could identify with expensive dog MRIs and he just had to limp around until he died of old age after years of discomfort while I got hit with enough bills to buy a car is just too depressing to repeat. Rectal Death Adept has issued a correction as of 09:54 on Jun 11, 2023 |
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Jun 11, 2023 09:47
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Shear Modulus posted:how does one "plan" to go without running water for a year or more? like do i need to have some well-digging equipment in the garage next to the power drill? You accept that you'll die or do a prepper LARP
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Jun 11, 2023 09:47
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my local vet sold themselves off to some mega pet care collective claled Thrive Pet Care and now it sucks rear end, it took like literally about 20 emails and at least a dozen or more just to book a loving basic check-up+rabies appointment, and also more expensive now so i'm in the market of trying to find a new one but sadly they all suck in their own ways
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Jun 11, 2023 09:47
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My old mans dog fell rear end backwards into 90% coverage insurance via grandfathering and the very 2nd day it went into effect went and did 8k worth of surgery lol. luckiest POS alive. Went on to get another 4k surgery (amputation), then 5k radiation a year later. We'll see what other crap we can pwn the insurance company with. Contrast that to the dogs sister, which had jack poo poo coverage did not get so lucky and got put down 4 years ago due to cancer lol.
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Jun 11, 2023 09:50
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Homeless Friend posted:emergency vet? ur def gonna get owned. Yep it was insanely serious, immediately, with no warning. We had him at the vet within 20 minutes. We figured it would cost a decent amount, sure. We even knew he had a UTI or suspected it due to his behavior. What I wasn't prepared for was not just the money (5k in this economy are you loving kidding me?) but if a cat gets a UTI, that's it. They need additional care in various ways for the rest of their life and there is a high chance of recurrence so this could also happen again at any moment, amazing. He's barely a year old and we rescued him and his sister only 6 months ago. Rectal Death Adept posted:Recently at work someone's dog needed vet care and they ended up having to spend $4,000. I don't think I fully appreciated that until now honestly, I mean, I knew it; we're regulars in this thread, after all, but the whiplash of going from "oh he'll probably need some antibiotics and to get flushed and stuff" to "your cat is owned forever and this one thing, which could happen again next month, is 5 grand" was wild. It wasn't the situation so much as, the doctor was like "you can either get your cat care or we can basically just flush him and toss him out and it's still a grand". Something about the callousness of the situation just destroyed me and I broke down in the office which was not pretty and I don't think I've ever sobbed like that... ever? Certainly not in public. Anyways that's all I'll say about it, this isn't the place, I just wanted to vent about healthcare and don't understand why we built the system this way we can afford it but it will mean major compromises and that's if it never happens again.gently caress capitalism forever. I completely understand now why people go destitute caring for their animals, and I'm glad we don't have kids because that's all that's really allowing us to afford this (and I would probably get some kind of PTSD complex if my kid got sick like this, it's bad enough for the cat). Homeless Friend posted:My old mans dog fell rear end backwards into 90% coverage insurance via grandfathering and the very 2nd day it went into effect went and did 8k worth of surgery lol. luckiest POS alive. Went on to get another 4k surgery (amputation), then 5k radiation a year later. We'll see what other crap we can pwn the insurance company with. Contrast that to the dogs sister, which had jack poo poo coverage did not get so lucky and got put down 4 years ago due to cancer lol. I'm so sorry. I'm so glad he got taken care of. We did discuss getting him on insurance, but I assume it would be impossibly expensive now that he's already had a UTI at the stately old age of 1 year. Would it still be feasible or now that he has pre existing conditions are we just screwed... Taima has issued a correction as of 10:04 on Jun 11, 2023 |
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Jun 11, 2023 10:00
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Taima posted:I'm so sorry. I'm so glad he got taken care of. We did discuss getting him on insurance, but I assume it would be impossibly expensive now that he's already had a UTI at the stately old age of 1 year. Would it still be feasible or now that he has pre existing conditions are we just screwed... its a good question, i dunno. i do believe they just carve out the prior and say screw you tho if i remember from reading my dogs old policy. with my experience with my old mans weird crappy insurance before it really didn't seem to make sense. since you can just save that money to actually have a fund to use it later. like just budget an emergency fund specifically only for vet use with payments that would go to the insurance company. maybe for wellness type plan if you can really use the poo poo out of it. the actual dogshit insurance he was on, before being transferred into stately rich dog insurance by pure luck, was a total pain in the rear end that's just built to disincentivize you from taking them to the vet (money) thereby causing more money when something does go wrong. being on time with exams/checkups/bloodwork/etc whatever is really is #1 way to head off problems imo. but thats also an investment that cost money. and they're lil bastards that begin self destructing in earnest 10 years onwards anyway. e: for reference that super insurance he lucked into is like 300-400 a month lol. so for him to live to use it as the insurance company intended, lets say he had those surgeries and crap at 12 years of age onward (hes 14 now): thats 53k paid in already at that point if we say its 350 a month + use it enough to have to pay upfront 250 yearly deductible for every one of those 12 years. now it makes sense for him now because we basically cheated the system by chance (nationwide ended his original policy and had him be grandfathered him into this insane plan no strings attached) and recouped every dime paid for his entire life by hitting the insurance with these huge bills. so we'll keep him on it till he dies but it makes way more sense to budget an insurance plan yourself into a bank account purely for the pet lol Homeless Friend has issued a correction as of 10:26 on Jun 11, 2023 |
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Jun 11, 2023 10:12
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i dunno man, if you live in america, like have you seen the social contract recently? there's like 20-30% of the country who are psychotic, insanely well armed, and just waiting for permission to start mass killing their enemies. some of them aren't waiting. maybe climate collapse is the ultimate trigger, maybe something else, but i don't really buy the "things will just gradually get worse and worse" line. i mean, yes they will of course, but then they'll get much worse very quickly all of a sudden.
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