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smackfu posted:Thoughts on the TV coverage as a first time watcher… I'm glad I wasn't the only one wondering if they were losing their mind over the extremely quiet Halo/World of Warcraft theme music to those replays.
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the long international nightmare of toyota winning by default is finally over
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Jun 11, 2023 16:27
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Yeah I'm definitely paying for + next year, the commercial cutaways on the cable channel were really annoying. Fantastic race, I tuned in around 11 PM (Eastern) hoping to catch half an hour or so, but ended up watching until 3 AM.
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Jun 11, 2023 16:27
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I would've liked if Toyota won though 
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Jun 11, 2023 16:28
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Which goon was supposed to be at tetre rouge restaurant by the door?
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Jun 11, 2023 16:42
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That's me. I'm up on the wall. Looks like they're routing all the traffic down Mulsanne instead of under the bridge though, so no cool cars coming through right now.
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Jun 11, 2023 16:47
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Porsche probably aren't looking to repeat this for next year, and I'm sure Toyota would like to win again. Cadillac definitely wants to do better, and Peugeot has to show they can repeat the challenge they put to Audi back in the day. On top of that, next year we're getting Alpine, BMW, and Lamborghini (run by Iron Lynx, which means Iron Dames moving to the Hypercar grid), and possibly one or two more manufacturers, depending on how things shake out. If year 100 of Le Mans was special, and it damned well was - then year 101 has all the makings of topping it.
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Jun 11, 2023 16:50
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Finger Prince posted:That's me. I'm up on the wall. Looks like they're routing all the traffic down Mulsanne instead of under the bridge though, so no cool cars coming through right now. I’m the idiot at the table with a silly backpack and decathlon folding chair by the video wall, kindly wave👀
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Jun 11, 2023 16:50
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Oh now they're coming. Trickling, anyway.
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Finger Prince posted:Oh now they're coming. Ok we are at opposite ends, I’m by the serving table.
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Jun 11, 2023 16:53
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Also remember that the year 100 anniversary was as successful as it was, partly because of successful BoP.
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SlowBloke posted:Ok we are at opposite ends, I’m by the serving table. I'm wearing yellow pants and a white shirt and sitting with my mate in a pfaff shirt
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Finger Prince posted:I'm wearing yellow pants and a white shirt and sitting with my mate in a pfaff shirt You guys must be master of disguise cause I can’t find you for poo poo. I’m the dude standing up by the video wall on the phone.
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Jun 11, 2023 17:04
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All these hypercars make me wanna install a twin turbo rig on a kei car
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Jun 11, 2023 17:24
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what's the difference between Hypercar, LMDh, and whatever the Glickenhaus was
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Jun 11, 2023 18:56
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Yes
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The D stands for Daytona and the h stands for h. > An LMDh (Le Mans Daytona h) is a type of sports prototype race car that will compete alongside Le Mans Hypercar entries in the Grand Touring Prototype (GTP) class of the IMSA SportsCar Championship from 2023.
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Jun 11, 2023 19:09
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I thought the h in LMDh stood for “hybrid” but I guess not.
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Jun 11, 2023 19:31
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Heh, it must but I assume there is some Wikipedia argument going on there.
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Jun 11, 2023 19:34
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It's very weird to think LMP2 used to be open cockpit
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MustardFacial posted:I thought the h in LMDh stood for “hybrid” but I guess not. h is for putting it in h, as you do.
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Jun 11, 2023 20:27
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so LMDh is IMSA Hypercar is WEC but there were only Hypercars at Le Mans? and no LMDh? but Hypercars can compete in IMSA events? which by their nature include LMDh??? this is confusing. and I still don't know why all the cars in Le Mans sometimes were referred to as 'Hypercar H,' except the Glickenhaus, which was simply 'Hypercar' Wikipedia is a disaster on all of this
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Jun 11, 2023 20:30
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why do you think they are so great at attracting new fans to motorsport? it's all so straight forward!
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Jun 11, 2023 20:43
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Well you see a bunch of series wanted to make a new top tier prototype class, so they did, then they had a talk and decided that they could just put all of them in H
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:so LMDh is IMSA LMDh and GTP are the same thing. The cars are called GTP in IMSA and LMDh in the WEC, but it’s the same homologation. They are allowed to compete in the Hypercar class in the WEC against the indigenous Hypercars there. In theory it can go in reverse too, with Hypercars going to IMSA events to compete in the GTP class, but that has not actually happened yet.
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Jun 11, 2023 21:17
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:so LMDh is IMSA LMDh is imsa, but is the acronym everyone used before imsa decided to call it GTP. The caddys and Porsche are lmdh cars, which have a hybrid system (same with bmw and acura.) Glickenhaus and Vanwall are LMH, no hybrid system. Toyota, Ferrari and Peugeot are LMH, which is a hypercar with a hybrid system. I think I got that right. And for wec they just call everything a hypercar. The biggest difference between LMH and LMDh is LMH hybrids must drive the front wheels, LMDh all use the same hybrid rear transaxle. LMH cars are bespoke; as long as they fit the regs, it can race. LMDh must use a next-gen LMP2 chassis from a manufacturer (dallara, oreca, multimatic.) Aero, bodywork and electronics are up to the team/manufacturer. Then you BoP it, twist it, pull it and they all resemble but are legally distinct from the lollipop guild. Make sense? No? Good!
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So the LMP2 is a mix of pros and Pro/Am entries, but the GTE is only amateurs because they got rid of the pro division this year. This is a very good system.
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no i google IMSA GTP and get something apparently doesn't exist anymore this is so stupid. good racing though this year. i watched a few years ago when toyota was just dunking on everyone and lost interest
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Jun 11, 2023 21:28
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I’m glad I went but Jesus I want to lie down.
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The result proves the rules can be dumb as hell and I still get to laugh at Jack Aitken binning it on the first half of the opening lap of a 24 hour race. 
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As far as I remember having barely slept all week: LMH (Le Mans Hypercar) is the spec drawn up by the FIA/ACO where basically you build whatever the hell you want and as long as it hits the downforce level, drag coefficient and other assorted performance targets it’s allowed, that’s why you have the wingless Peugeot, it meets the downforce target from the floor alone. These were originally all going to be hybrid but Aston Martin kicked off about wanting to bring the Valkyrie to race, got the rules changed, forgot to make cars people could actually buy, went broke, got bought out and hosed off to F1. This opened the door for Glickenhaus and Vanwall. LMDh (Le Mans Daytona hybrid) (I think) is the spec drawn up by IMSA, basically the same idea as their last gen top class DPi (Daytona Prototype international). These were LMP2 cars with manufacturer specific engines and bodywork, so they would have the road car styling. The LMDh cars are based off what were expected to be the new LMP2 cars but they won’t be now since that class is getting the boot, they are all hybrids and all use the same off the shelf hybrid system. Both organisations set the same performance targets and will test and homologate cars of either spec to run in their top class, although IMSA have an extra requirement that the manufacturer has to actively sell cars in the US. The combined class in WEC is called Hypercar and in IMSA it’s GTP since that’s what the top class was called in the golden age the last time the same cars could run in both series (kinda).
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Xisticide posted:As far as I remember having barely slept all week: This is correct. The cars are LMDh and LMH, the classes are GTP in IMSA (which is made up of LMDh although the rules can allow for LMH too), and Hypercar in WEC (which encompasses both LMH and LMDh) GTP is a nod to the old not-quite Group C regs that IMSA had in the 80s also called GTP
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smackfu posted:So the LMP2 is a mix of pros and Pro/Am entries, but the GTE is only amateurs because they got rid of the pro division this year. This is a very good system. Nope! Just has to have the right mix of drivers. With 3 drivers it must have 1 bronze and 1 silver OR bronze, 3rd driver can be anyone (its gonna be a pro.) 2 drivers is bronze and silver. So it's still pro/am. LMP2 a drivers line up, whether 2 or 3, simply must include one bronze OR silver.
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Well this system clearly sucks
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Actually it owns because Ferrari won Le Mans
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Xisticide posted:As far as I remember having barely slept all week: this is helpful, ty
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Thanks Ants posted:Actually it owns because Ferrari won Le Mans leclerc's face was sad, because he wants to be happy, but he won't be until he races for Team Krack in 2026
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:this is helpful, ty Two more notes: -Each LMDh is based on what will be a next-gen LMP2 chassis, but there hasn’t been an announcement when those will take over from the current generation. -IMSA uses the Windshear wind tunnel in North Carolina, WEC I think uses the Sauber wind tunnel in Switzerland, and each series sets the Balance of Performance parameters for themselves. Along with BoP settings for each car, the WEC has also tried to balance “LMDh” and “Hypercar” broadly against each other.
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Also the wec like every other FIA racing org actively hates you for watching or enjoying the racing product and will actively gently caress over anyone they can for oil money.
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