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Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:What characters would you all say translate the best to modern controls? Or in other words, lost the least? https://twitter.com/jiyunaJP/status/1667697311080923136 Jiyuna tried to go through this actually, and I think his conclusions are pretty good. Luke as an example doesn't really lose any tools at all, but you do need to be able to do the perfect charges and stuff to get access to his better combos. He's still great in modern though Actually it popped into my head this morning when I was getting ready for work, I'm not actually sure how you'd do Menat in modern controls at all. You'd only get a single orb placement, which I guess would probably have to be light since that's the one most commonly used for setups and stuff, but means a bunch of combos with it wouldn't be possible. And I'm not sure how you'd do her VT1 as a super in modern considering it's 6 orbs for 6 buttons. I guess you could make it something like JP where it just auto fires the orbs at a set time but that'd be kinda disappointing. That super might be kind of an issue in general, as in SFV it's controlled with negative edge (which is off by default), or double tapping which I always found harder than just the negative edge stuff. It'd be pretty supremely disappointing if she didn't get to keep that method of control though because part of what makes the character so fun is freestyling your setups and how you use the orbs
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Marisa combo trial is such horseshit aaaaaaargh. Why do you lie, Capcom, the timing on cancelling Magna Bunker (4HP) into H. Gladius (QCF HP) that I can't consistently get it down and when I do I'm so surprised that I flub the input for Goddess of the Hunt. Grumble grumble.
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Jun 13, 2023 13:36
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Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:What characters would you all say translate the best to modern controls? Or in other words, lost the least? based on my anecdotal experience modern Juri and Jamie seem good
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Jun 13, 2023 13:38
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Medullah posted:I got placed in Gold with Guile winning 7 out of 10 of my matches, which is hilarious because I really don't enjoy playing him. The few actual Gold matches I've done have shown that it was a mistaken placement heh. And it's especially weird because I won 7 out of 10 with Zangief too and got Silver. On my third set of placements I went 8-2 and was put in mid-Silver. I don't mind climbing out of the swamp, but that's some inconsistent poo poo.
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Jun 13, 2023 13:42
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Anyone worked out wtf to do with Deejay's sway yet? I've tried DRing into people with it but it feels like such a waste of like three other good options in that situation
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Jun 13, 2023 13:43
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AndrewP posted:based on my anecdotal experience modern Juri and Jamie seem good Yeah, Juri loses a special (or two?) but she's still really solid in Modern. Cammy, too.
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Jun 13, 2023 13:44
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I am finding world tour useful as a scrub modern player's quick little taste of a lot of characters. It's helped me get an idea of who to focus on actually learning outside of wt. Like, not Chun li.
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Double Bill posted:On my third set of placements I went 8-2 and was put in mid-Silver. I don't mind climbing out of the swamp, but that's some inconsistent poo poo. Probably has to do with win streaks. I went on a 7 win streak and lost my next 3 placement matches and got placed in Platinum 2.
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Double Bill posted:On my third set of placements I went 8-2 and was put in mid-Silver. I don't mind climbing out of the swamp, but that's some inconsistent poo poo. I think it's worse if the other way around. There are people who are absolute beginners getting dropped into gold. And as you can't derank from that, are gonna have a rough time learning the game.
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Jun 13, 2023 13:53
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I think it depends who you beat as well. You get a range of opponents. Maybe it looks at if you won in two, had a perfect or whatever else as well.
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Jun 13, 2023 13:54
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DeadButDelicious posted:Marisa combo trial is such horseshit aaaaaaargh. Why do you lie, Capcom, the timing on cancelling Magna Bunker (4HP) into H. Gladius (QCF HP) that I can't consistently get it down and when I do I'm so surprised that I flub the input for Goddess of the Hunt. Grumble grumble. try doing a half circle forward instead (applies to all forward to qcf inputs when the character also has a dp input)
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Jun 13, 2023 13:56
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Mega Comrade posted:I think it's worse if the other way around. There are people who are absolute beginners getting dropped into gold. And as you can't derank from that, are gonna have a rough time learning the game. They should maybe put in an option to reset your LP to 0 after you have done placement matches, in case of flukes like this. Also, in case of people who want to switch control schemes and start over. Like, switching from modern to classic in Silver 5 and losing down to Silver 1 was pretty demoralising and I would've probably had a better time just starting from 0 LP again. Would also be useful for people coming back from a long break from the game but want to use the same character. Just don't let people do placements again to avoid gaming the system to skip ranks endlessly.
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Jun 13, 2023 14:07
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Mega Comrade posted:I think it's worse if the other way around. There are people who are absolute beginners getting dropped into gold. And as you can't derank from that, are gonna have a rough time learning the game. Yeah I've run into a few of those as I've been climbing up and I feel really bad for them. It's gotta be pretty frustrating when you're still getting the absolute basics and getting positively exploded Has anyone seen an event fire in the battlehub at all? I check every day when I play but I've yet to see one available to play. I'd really like to try them too..
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Cat Machine posted:Anyone worked out wtf to do with Deejay's sway yet? I've tried DRing into people with it but it feels like such a waste of like three other good options in that situation Don't throw it out raw in neutral, you'll get blown up. Cancel into it from normals to mix up blocking opponents. OD sway into the heavy kick variation is your big damage option in combos if you don't mind spending drive gauge (if you do, stick with machinegun upper). That initial hit of the OD version works as a spicy anti-air as well. Since the whole thing lasts 1000 years during which the game doesn't really care about directional inputs you can keep charging. The juggle of the heavy kick version is also pretty sweet, allowing a bunch of corner carry or side switch options with the help of drive rush afterwards. The command dash is also a neat tool to bamboozle projectile users - it even goes through JP's spikes. Or you can go like 5HP -> OD sway -> Command dash -> H Jackknife Maximum on punish counter for a nasty lil sideswitch.
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Jun 13, 2023 14:27
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Gunder posted:How many of you aren't going anywhere but the Fighting Grounds? I haven't felt the need to do anything other than training or online matches so far. I guess the world tour stuff just doesn't appeal to me. Having a lot of fun though. I've never installed WT mode to save hard drive space. All of my play time is player lobbies, training, ranked and Battle Hub, which is actually kinda fun since it actually works unlike the strive lobbies.
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Jun 13, 2023 14:32
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In Training posted:I've never installed WT mode to save hard drive space. All of my play time is player lobbies, training, ranked and Battle Hub, which is actually kinda fun since it actually works unlike the strive lobbies. The lobbies are insanely good in this game and it's amazing how snappy they are.
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Catching up on the thread: Cammys don’t seem that uncommon to me and I’ve seen high plat and higher streamers say she’s good. I’m bad so can’t say for myself but she seems fine? As a noob Marisa player her mixups can be annoying to deal with (same with most of the rushdown characters tbh). I think win streaks count for a lot of RP which is why some people are feeling the placements are inconsistent. Speaking of, I went on an 11 win streak in ranked last night for the first time ever in a fighting game for sure. The only other fighting game Ive put any time into is SFV a year or two ago where I lost 90%ish of my matches and was forever stuck at the bottom of bronze. My placements in SF6 with Marisa put me in iron. That 11 win streak moved me all the way up to Bronze 5 and although I lost the streak I managed to get to silver after a few more matches. I attribute this to the game being so god drat good at onboarding. Playing almost all of world tour mode gave me the experience, adaptability, and probably most importantly confidence to go into fights with a general plan and some competence. Modern controls are a godsend; largely because it makes punishing so much easier and removed the tension of praying I don’t drop my combo while also removing that particular psychological variable of beating myself when I DID drop a combo. Then of course there’s the fighting grounds with character tutorials which both help you understand how to play your character and what the other characters strengths are so you can figure out how to deal with them. Was excited for this game because of all the offline features and did not expect at all to be having a great time playing online, but I am and that’s awesome. Good game. I really hope Tekken 8 at least has a similar character tutorial mode because those games seem rad, although a lot of that is probably just the soundtrack for me. Wish Namco didn’t take all their Tekken stuff off Spotify.
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Weird Pumpkin posted:https://twitter.com/jiyunaJP/status/1667697311080923136 Thanks! Surprised to see Lily so high, I wasn’t gelling with her at all. Must just be a playstyle/lack of experience thing
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Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:Thanks! Surprised to see Lily so high, I wasn’t gelling with her at all. Must just be a playstyle/lack of experience thing No. 1 thing with Lily is you need to be getting wind at basically all times
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Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:Thanks! Surprised to see Lily so high, I wasn’t gelling with her at all. Must just be a playstyle/lack of experience thing The video covers his logic - generally the ones he ranks higher lose fewer fundamental tools from modern and benefit from simplified inputs (ex. Lily and Gief’s 360s). Charge characters still need to charge in Modern, thus why so many of them are in the bottom category.
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Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:Thanks! Surprised to see Lily so high, I wasn’t gelling with her at all. Must just be a playstyle/lack of experience thing She loses out on very little compared to the rest of the cast. So you gain 1 button dp and some other shortcut things without losing out on anything worthwhile. I debated switching my lily to modern but I just can't figure out how to make modern feel good on stick without messing up my classic character muscle memory. Keegers fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Jun 13, 2023 |
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Tortolia posted:The video covers his logic - generally the ones he ranks higher lose fewer fundamental tools from modern and benefit from simplified inputs (ex. Lily and Gief’s 360s). Charge characters still need to charge in Modern, thus why so many of them are in the bottom category. Yeah, it's just looking at how completely you could play a character using only modern controls and minimal motions
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Jack Trades posted:That's the life of the blanka player. Uwo!! morestuff posted:No. 1 thing with Lily is you need to be getting wind at basically all times I'm a vegetarian lager drinker in my 40s, that won't be an issue.
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Gunder posted:How many of you aren't going anywhere but the Fighting Grounds? I haven't felt the need to do anything other than training or online matches so far. I guess the world tour stuff just doesn't appeal to me. Having a lot of fun though. Im grind wt a bit but yeah i do all my online via fg. The hub is too annoying to navigate
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Cat Machine posted:Anyone worked out wtf to do with Deejay's sway yet? I've tried DRing into people with it but it feels like such a waste of like three other good options in that situation You use it in block string when you cant open them up with the high/low mix You use it full screen to dash in with the forward punch run You use it in combo for big damage with the ex version of the launcher You use it empty, no follow up, in drive rush to back off if you do not actually want to go in.
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Gunder posted:How many of you aren't going anywhere but the Fighting Grounds? I haven't felt the need to do anything other than training or online matches so far. I guess the world tour stuff just doesn't appeal to me. Having a lot of fun though. I opened WT once and it made me watch a cutscene and I haven't opened anything other than FG since
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Real hurthling! posted:Im grind wt a bit but yeah i do all my online via fg. The hub is too annoying to navigate The battlehub stuff works really well imo, but it's really, REALLY hard to find even matches there which is a shame as I'd really love to run some longer sets with people. I could use discord for that too, but man it'd be cool to be able to just find a random person and play a long set if there was a better way to search
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Real hurthling! posted:You use it in block string when you cant open them up with the high/low mix
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Cat Machine posted:See this and the 'cancel into it during a string' advice is what's throwing me. Is there an advantage to sway instead of just moving back manually and catching them with a button? Is it just the advantage the launcher brings? the advantage of the specific moves you can do off of sway, While it also being faster than manually walking back as it lets you cancel the ending frames of buttons.
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In Training posted:I've never installed WT mode to save hard drive space. All of my play time is player lobbies, training, ranked and Battle Hub, which is actually kinda fun since it actually works unlike the strive lobbies. I wish they'd make the lobbies like mini battle hub rooms too so you can run around
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Weird Pumpkin posted:The battlehub stuff works really well imo, but it's really, REALLY hard to find even matches there which is a shame as I'd really love to run some longer sets with people. i believe you can search the player list in a given server by rank, and anyone who's within your approximate LP range will have a golden glow on their cabinet i treat battle hub as the for fun mode where you're just seeing who you get and having a good time otherwise, just like a regular ol' arcade
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The_Fuzzinator posted:the advantage of the specific moves you can do off of sway, While it also being faster than manually walking back as it lets you cancel the ending frames of buttons.
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Cat Machine posted:See this and the 'cancel into it during a string' advice is what's throwing me. Is there an advantage to sway instead of just moving back manually and catching them with a button? Is it just the advantage the launcher brings? Canceling out of a button means you don't have the recovery frames of that button. It also means you may be plus in a situation where you'd normally be minus, but I don't know DeeJay's frame data enough to say where that would be applicable. Also I think sway gives you unique moves you don't normally have access to like the overhead and stuff right? It's just one of your mix up tools that you can pull out Vermain posted:i believe you can search the player list in a given server by rank, and anyone who's within your approximate LP range will have a golden glow on their cabinet Oh I didn't realize you could search a server, that's cool. I thought the glow was bonus kudos or something for playing using it? I know there's an icon for similar rank people though, but it's just hard to find since people are scattered across so many different lobbies and such as well It's definitely where I go to just play some low stakes matches for sure though
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Sway has your only grounded overhead. The built-in shimmy of the backwards move can be useful too, but it's both a little big brain and most useful at that jab/throw range anyway. Lichtenstein fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Jun 13, 2023 |
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Lichtenstein posted:Sway has your only grounded ovehead.
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DeadButDelicious posted:Marisa combo trial is such horseshit aaaaaaargh. Why do you lie, Capcom, the timing on cancelling Magna Bunker (4HP) into H. Gladius (QCF HP) that I can't consistently get it down and when I do I'm so surprised that I flub the input for Goddess of the Hunt. Grumble grumble. After strugglebutting for an hour on a single combo trial I have resolved to watch another human do them first because I watched a YouTube where the guy pointed out "while in this other animation you can hold parry and the drive rush will come out as soon as possible" and I got it on the next attempt lol And I'm going through them as like training modules on execution but I am not really trying to learn them since a lot of them are extremely strict on links, the ones on supercombo and fgc YouTube are more "these you can probably do in a real match consistently"
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:After strugglebutting for an hour on a single combo trial I have resolved to watch another human do them first because I watched a YouTube where the guy pointed out "while in this other animation you can hold parry and the drive rush will come out as soon as possible" and I got it on the next attempt lol A lot of times combo trials are more for the ideas behind them than doing the actual combo in a real match. But you can definitely steal some ideas and implement them when you get a weird hit or something
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Cat Machine posted:See this and the 'cancel into it during a string' advice is what's throwing me. Is there an advantage to sway instead of just moving back manually and catching them with a button? Is it just the advantage the launcher brings? You cant do an overhead without sway so no one will block high if you try to do a regular shimmy and mix that way, and the low sway follow up, funky slicer, can be cancelled into a lvl3 i think Edited for truth cause i misread some thing Real hurthling! fucked around with this message at 17:29 on Jun 13, 2023 |
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Real hurthling! posted:You cant do an overhead without sway so no one will block high if you try to do a regular shimmy and mix that way, and the low sway follow up, funky slicer, can be cancelled into a lvl3 i think
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