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DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
Someone is going to starve to death because the always online phone home handshake can't connect so their digital can opener is automatically disabled to prevent them opening unauthorised cans of 3rd party baked beans.

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Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord
I can't wait for the AI-designed Boeings

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Nothus posted:

I can't wait for the AI-designed Boeings

The entire fuselage is one big rocket jet engine and the passengers & pilots are suspended in 8 capsules under the wings in some demented inverted B-52 knockoff.

Tank treads for landing gear. A rearwards propeller on the top of the rudder.

Also the whole thing will look like metal giger human bones.

cool av
Mar 2, 2013

Griz posted:

orthopedics doc pulling up a big animated gif of rotator cuff would have been way more helpful than him grabbing a printout of shoulder anatomy and drawing on it, but they don't have screens in the patient rooms.

e: i cut my leg and it wasn't getting any better with neosporin and bandages, was constantly red and itchy. went to doc asked if it looked infected, she asked what i was doing and I said neosporin and she immediately goes "i hate neosporin here's a prescription for something else" and it got better real fast. apparently I spontaneously developed an allergy to the thing in neosporin that 10% of the general public is allergic to.

AI would have just said "apply neosporin and bandages"

same thing happened to my partner and i was shocked that “thing not healing despite putting neosporin on it every day” didn’t intuitively lead her to “maybe stop putting neosporin on it”!

Nodelphi
Jan 30, 2004

We are all quite capable of believing in anything as long as it's improbable.

Ham Wrangler

Chad Sexington posted:

I've watched doctors -- specialists even -- Google poo poo right in front of me so I don't fear the AI in that sense.

I don't see how it would do much for inequality of care though. The process for trying to escalate something beyond the AI to get an actual prescription or procedure will probably be hell.

I’m an ER doc and I google stuff all the time. If anything that’s a sign of a good doctor, it means they care enough to figure out what is going on with you and see what can be done, if anything. I’d much rather that as a patient than the docs that just say you have “x” because that’s mostly what this looks like… but not quite.

The problem with medicine is it’s mostly shades of grey and uncertainty in a world where people don’t want either. AI will absolutely be used incorrectly and put patients at risk. Healthcare administrators will add another level to their already bloated roster.

There are dozens of influences that you need to constantly ignore as a doctor that an AI won’t be able to do. Things like: worrying about being in the room too long because admin wants you seeing 2.5 patients an hour, worrying about what tests to order because they track all the tests you do and call out people who are ordering more than what they consider average, worrying about medication choice because this med is on shortage but it could really benefit this patient, worrying about putting this patient in the hospital because your gut is telling you that they’re sicker than they look but knowing an administrator looking at the chart will demand they be sent home, giving a med because a drug rep wants to make a sales quota, etc etc.

AI’s going to happily comply with any directive given to it and we’ll go from a broken system with a few good people trying to keep the wheels on the bus to complete collapse.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
yeah a doctor googling stuff shouldn't be a red flag, because at the end of the day that person is still deciding whether or not the thing google is telling them is correct. an LLM can't even do that; it literally cannot decide

anyway

https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1668877078723215361

zetamind2000
Nov 6, 2007

I'm an alien.

Nothus posted:

I can't wait for the AI-designed Boeings





Nodelphi
Jan 30, 2004

We are all quite capable of believing in anything as long as it's improbable.

Ham Wrangler

Oh look, it crashed it for us already! See how much time and effort AI can save us?

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

jemand posted:

The lawyer sure was stupid, BUT, I'm actually kinda sympathetic to him. Apparently, the same corporate entity that gates public funding science via exorbitant journal licensing fees ALSO owns & operates the case file access system (with opinions and rulings produced in public courts by publicly funded judges). Law practitioners need this, but unsurprisingly it similarly requires expensive licensing fees to access. GPTIdiot lawyer's firm usually only did state law cases and therefore ONLY PAID FOR STATE ACCESS. He was tasked with finding case law to support a federal case 1) he couldn't argue himself because he wasn't licensed because unfamiliar with the procedures, and 2) in a firm that refused to pay for the proper tools to do so (partly due to highway robbery on the part of the "publishers").

Simultaneously to that, there's been a legitimately huge push by people who really should know better to spread wildly inflated impressions of what this tech will do, with minimal warning language that is 1) not super clear especially to non-technical people, and 2) as far as I can tell changes without notice over time, I have no idea what warnings actually were present when he signed up for OpenAI.

He did notice incoherence between paragraphs and attributed it to ChatGPT returning "excerpts" (a conclusion I have no doubt chatGPT would have concurred with and probably did, as he likely mentioned this to the tool he thought was a legit AI, in line with what he was TOLD it was.)

His boss signing off on it blindly was pretty stupid to be sure. But then again remember this was all happening in a firm that was not providing proper tools for the work.

Frankly, dude is extremely lucky he is in a profession where his work actually is checked to such a degree and his misperceptions identified and corrected relatively early on in the process. The slow horror is the certainty that some professional mechanical engineer somewhere has used it to look up the tensile strength of X, Y, & Z materials he's unfamiliar with due to similar lack of easy access to the normal databases or tools, as it's kinda related to his normal work but not really an area he's got much real experience in. The resulting bridge/electrical system/water filtration pumps are probably just now gearing up for construction so let's hope those errors get found & corrected before it kills a bunch of people. But law being inherently adversarial with humans on both sides means that errors are MOST likely to be caught early in that field. Think we're eventually going to get a nice long, slow, but unfortunately devastating, lesson on what these "AI tools" do in other fields.

hmm that’s a rather terrifying insight

Gwyneth Palpate
Jun 7, 2010

Do you want your breadcrumbs highlighted?

~SMcD

Jel Shaker posted:

hmm that’s a rather terrifying insight

It's by far the most terrifying thing about "AI." There are pursuits we busy ourselves in where being wrong can have dire consequences. LLMs don't penalize themselves for incorrectness, no matter how many lives could be affected. The most important thing is to have fluent, readable English and to sound authoritative.

shrike82
Jun 11, 2005

https://twitter.com/BusinessInsider/status/1668917967386468352?s=20

is pepsi ok
Oct 23, 2002

Star Citizen now has a bigger dev budget than GTA V, Cyberpunk 2077, and RDR combined.

text editor
Jan 8, 2007

Wonder how long it is gonna take them to realize there isn't a goddamn thing to do here

Nodelphi
Jan 30, 2004

We are all quite capable of believing in anything as long as it's improbable.

Ham Wrangler

is pepsi ok posted:

Star Citizen now has a bigger dev budget than GTA V, Cyberpunk 2077, and RDR combined.

The Star Citizen economy is based off of unrealistic expectations and wild speculation. I’m glad our country’s economy is stronger and more grounded.

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


Nodelphi posted:

The Star Citizen economy is based off of unrealistic expectations and wild speculation. I’m glad our country’s economy is stronger and more grounded.

Woke Mind Virus
Aug 22, 2005


why would a remote town even give incentives for remote workers to move there? they aren't gonna work! they already work remote! They need more people to work to take care of them

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

gradenko_2000 posted:

yeah a doctor googling stuff shouldn't be a red flag, because at the end of the day that person is still deciding whether or not the thing google is telling them is correct. an LLM can't even do that; it literally cannot decide

anyway

https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1668877078723215361

Love to have 3 right wing parties arguing about who can neoliberal, Brexit, and hate trans people better.

Such a good island with such a good politics

Gwyneth Palpate
Jun 7, 2010

Do you want your breadcrumbs highlighted?

~SMcD

Woke Mind Virus posted:

why would a remote town even give incentives for remote workers to move there? they aren't gonna work! they already work remote! They need more people to work to take care of them

The people invited there aren't there to work for the town. They're there to generate tax revenue for the town by buying things and owning property.

Cold on a Cob
Feb 6, 2006

i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually

College Slice

Woke Mind Virus posted:

why would a remote town even give incentives for remote workers to move there? they aren't gonna work! they already work remote! They need more people to work to take care of them

they'll pay property tax and use local services

anonumos
Jul 14, 2005

Fuck it.

DancingShade posted:

Someone is going to starve to death because the always online phone home handshake can't connect so their digital can opener is automatically disabled to prevent them opening unauthorised cans of 3rd party baked beans.

My mother's fridge makes ice blocks, crushed ice and bespoke round ice balls. We swapped her router recently and now her fridge makes "regular" ice but the hipster ice balls need an internet connection for...reasons?

Maed
Aug 23, 2006


Nodelphi posted:

I’m an ER doc and I google stuff all the time. If anything that’s a sign of a good doctor, it means they care enough to figure out what is going on with you and see what can be done, if anything. I’d much rather that as a patient than the docs that just say you have “x” because that’s mostly what this looks like… but not quite.

The problem with medicine is it’s mostly shades of grey and uncertainty in a world where people don’t want either. AI will absolutely be used incorrectly and put patients at risk. Healthcare administrators will add another level to their already bloated roster.

There are dozens of influences that you need to constantly ignore as a doctor that an AI won’t be able to do. Things like: worrying about being in the room too long because admin wants you seeing 2.5 patients an hour, worrying about what tests to order because they track all the tests you do and call out people who are ordering more than what they consider average, worrying about medication choice because this med is on shortage but it could really benefit this patient, worrying about putting this patient in the hospital because your gut is telling you that they’re sicker than they look but knowing an administrator looking at the chart will demand they be sent home, giving a med because a drug rep wants to make a sales quota, etc etc.

AI’s going to happily comply with any directive given to it and we’ll go from a broken system with a few good people trying to keep the wheels on the bus to complete collapse.

sounds like the easy solution is to guillotine the admins

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


Woke Mind Virus posted:

why would a remote town even give incentives for remote workers to move there? they aren't gonna work! they already work remote! They need more people to work to take care of them

dunno about elsewhere but all localities in PA charge EIT and you pay EIT where you live, not where you work

Orvin
Sep 9, 2006





My first reaction is who wants coffee with the mayor of a town in Indiana? Then I realized the people who are likely moving want to feel special and like they can push some idea or agenda on the town.

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

Woke Mind Virus posted:

why would a remote town even give incentives for remote workers to move there? they aren't gonna work! they already work remote! They need more people to work to take care of them

well that town is a suburb of indianapolis

the website they did it through has a bunch of offers (mostly from Indiana lol) to move places like lower taxes for a few years or free land. there's a dumpy little town with no one in it in KS that used to give away free land if you moved there (offer is still open). they're on that website. so you can live in a town of 900 people in central kansas which I'm sure will be no culture shock for someone from NYC or LA. also I'm sure you won't have constant snide comments directed towards you if you say you moved from NYC. enjoy driving 40 minutes each way to get groceries!

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


that said lmao at moving to Indiana from California

people who do poo poo like that in my experience are the people who got their first paycheck at 16 and were shocked to see taxes taken out of it, and are still pissed off about that

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

anonumos posted:

My mother's fridge makes ice blocks, crushed ice and bespoke round ice balls. We swapped her router recently and now her fridge makes "regular" ice but the hipster ice balls need an internet connection for...reasons?

my freezer makes bespoke hipster ice because I spent $3 on a silicon mold

Orvin
Sep 9, 2006




Cold on a Cob posted:

they'll pay property tax and use local services

Also, Indiana has (or at lest as of 8 years ago) county taxes. It’s like 1 to 1.5% based on where you live. That’s in addition to the State taxes. But their property taxes tend to be pretty low. At least in NW Indiana. No idea around Indy.

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


Orvin posted:

Also, Indiana has (or at lest as of 8 years ago) county taxes. It’s like 1 to 1.5% based on where you live. That’s in addition to the State taxes. But their property taxes tend to be pretty low. At least in NW Indiana. No idea around Indy.

County EIT or county property taxes?

Cold on a Cob
Feb 6, 2006

i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually

College Slice
they're doing a version of this in rural japan too, but with different incentives and requirements. stuff like having to fix up the home, pay property tax already in arrears, live in it full time, etc in exchange for getting free land and property.

Orvin
Sep 9, 2006




Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

County EIT or county property taxes?

County income tax of 1-1.5%, and then there is property tax as well. I think the property tax is capped at either 1 or 2% of assessed value each year.

I never lived in Indiana, I just worked there (Hammond, IN) while living in Illinois. So I got to hear about a lot of stuff. And get hit for a .25% Lake County Income Tax because my home county did not charge income tax.

Edit: It was great fun to hear about the BP refinery in Whiting (right near Lake Michigan) going to the county (maybe town) and threaten to shut down if taxes were not slashed. The town/county caved, and property taxes in Whiting skyrocketed from like 1-2k to 30k to make up the shortfall. I think that is why Indiana has the cap on property taxes.

Orvin has issued a correction as of 14:36 on Jun 14, 2023

net work error
Feb 26, 2011

https://twitter.com/FirstSquawk/status/1668974592981975043?t=OcYvagPfZm3DhfgQVS7r2g&s=19

NUMBER DOWN NOOOOOOO

net work error
Feb 26, 2011

Remember how ridiculous Dow 30k was and now if it even sniffs that the whole thing is going to fall apart lmao

goth smoking cloves
Feb 28, 2011

There are way worse places you could end up than Noblesville IMHO

Kibbles n Shits
Apr 8, 2006

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Fun Shoe

FizFashizzle posted:

if AI ever does make serious headway into the medical field it will be for poor people without insurance. It will join the likes of chiropractic medicine and aromatherapy; ineffective alternatives for people that are getting hosed over by the system.

Fair point. I harbor a tiny shred of naïve optimism that it could improve our lovely healthcare system in some way, but it does certainly feel more likely to be used to milk poor patients without having to interact with them at all.

Relevant Tangent
Nov 18, 2016

Tangentially Relevant

is pepsi ok posted:

Star Citizen now has a bigger dev budget than GTA V, Cyberpunk 2077, and RDR combined.

Decades long con on people who have more money than sense.

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

that said lmao at moving to Indiana from California

people who do poo poo like that in my experience are the people who got their first paycheck at 16 and were shocked to see taxes taken out of it, and are still pissed off about that

It's not completely nuts if you're not tied to a certain location by job and family and really need the extra space.

Of course there are lots of moving parts and it's easy to end up like the chuds who move to Texas not realizing how property taxes work there.

UKJeff
May 17, 2023

by vyelkin

If “coffee with Mayor” means he sucks you off every week, I’d probably do it

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

if it was 50,000$ maybe.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
it kinda sucks that Wing Commander 1-3 and Privateer and Strike Commander would be perfect for a modern remake but Chris Roberts is never going to be interested in doing anything like it

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Taima
Dec 31, 2006

tfw you're peeing next to someone in the lineup and they don't know
“milk” feels like an imprecise term. Discard or placate feels more accurate?

The intention overall is to disenfranchise the lower classes while stripping away education slowly. All services are replaced with hollowed out Fischer Price trash versions while those services are consolidated and improved for the well off.

The ultimate goal is to offer the least acceptable but still “present/existing” option. That’s why the wealthy can’t stop cumming over the prospect of replacing everything they can with AI. It’s the optimal system for systematically detaching the bottom 75% from human services.

All AI healthcare has to do is give an answer and also get poor people to shut up, first and foremost.

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