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Paradoxish
Dec 19, 2003

Will you stop going crazy in there?

Ebola Roulette posted:

That seems... low.

Like IDK about anyone else but my definition of rich is "never have to work again" and that's not happening with $2 mill. I could buy a house, car, pay off student loans and pay for my kid to go to college but I would definitely still have to work lol

Americans thinking that 2.2m is "rich" is proof that:

1) Most Americans are poor as poo poo
b) Most Americans have absolutely no concept of the gap between them and the truly wealthy

It's comfortable and you could theoretically live off of it indefinitely if you're both lucky and not terminally stupid, but it's not rich. It's not even rich enough to be truly insulated from medical expenses.

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RadiRoot
Feb 3, 2007
2 million is like the minimum you need to retire comfortably i thought. assuming investments dont go to hell.

RadiRoot has issued a correction as of 04:35 on Jun 17, 2023

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things

RadiRoot posted:

2 million is like the minimum you need to retire comfortably i thought. assuming investments dont go to hell.

it is. at a safe draw down rate that will go just about forever, youll get like 75k a year out of that. which is pretty nice. not great. but nice.

Mustached Demon
Nov 12, 2016

silicone thrills posted:

it is. at a safe draw down rate that will go just about forever, youll get like 75k a year out of that. which is pretty nice. not great. but nice.

75k with (if you weren't bad with your money) no mortgage/rent

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things

Mustached Demon posted:

75k with (if you weren't bad with your money) no mortgage/rent

yeah in any major city and even most small ones it isnt super awesome.

Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

2.2 million in an account that makes 4% will give you $88,000 a year without touching the principle

Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

2.2 million at age 60 and you live to age 90 is $73,333 dollars a year if you just hold cash for some reason.

I will not retire at 60 nor live to 90

remember investments will have a lower tax rate so its much better than making 75k a year you can't compare like that

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
What if we combined sports betting with crypto

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

pretty sure this is actually an improvement from the present

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
lol the reddit ceo looks like this

Precambrian Video Games
Aug 19, 2002



gradenko_2000 posted:

What if we combined sports betting with crypto

I assume that's what the Crypto.com Arena is for.

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




wfh lady looks like an sf6 avatar

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009

Pretty sure i fought this in Diablo 4

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry
for as bad as reddit is, it's no facebook or nextdoor in terms of horror. jesus christ this is just like 10 days!! of nextdoor notifications. i have like 1000 nextdoor posts about CRIME!!! i think there';s like maybe 5 non-crime ones out of the 1000

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

RadiRoot posted:

2 million is like the minimum you need to retire comfortably i thought. assuming investments dont go to hell.

I saw an article that was like, 4 million is the target for retirement. I remember when it was only one million in net worth or some poo poo

anonumos
Jul 14, 2005

Fuck it.

Xaris posted:

for as bad as reddit is, it's no facebook or nextdoor in terms of horror. jesus christ this is just like 10 days!! of nextdoor notifications. i have like 1000 nextdoor posts about CRIME!!! i think there';s like maybe 5 non-crime ones out of the 1000



I get an email from them at least twice a week: "You've got 20+ unread notifications!"

Nope. Not gonna read em. A bunch of Karen's asking the world to explain itself. No thank you.

"What's going on at Anderson and route 5? I saw a bunch of lights."

"I heard a loud bang! Does anyone know what's going on?"

"I need a hero to listen to me gripe while you fix my dishwasher for $5."

"Gimme free stuff."

anonumos has issued a correction as of 09:03 on Jun 17, 2023

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

anonumos posted:

"I need a hero to listen to me gripe while you fix my dishwasher for $5."

"Gimme free stuff."
these would honestly be a breath of fresh air. seriously those are just like a week of notifications, completely uneditted and every single one is some form of "i heard a loud noise, is it a gun?? / i saw a black guy in a car / my car is stolen / MUGGED!". social media is the worst brain poison in terms of real "doomers" because it's just training everyone to be alienating and hate each other. goons are downright normal healthy well-adjusted good people in comparison to social media freaks

i actually think nextdoor must be some kind of CIA/cop psyop

Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

Homeless Friend posted:

lol the reddit ceo looks like this



found his mugshot



just kidding that's dahmer

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012

Xaris posted:

these would honestly be a breath of fresh air. seriously those are just like a week of notifications, completely uneditted and every single one is some form of "i heard a loud noise, is it a gun?? / i saw a black guy in a car / my car is stolen / MUGGED!". social media is the worst brain poison in terms of real "doomers" because it's just training everyone to be alienating and hate each other. goons are downright normal healthy well-adjusted good people in comparison to social media freaks

i actually think nextdoor must be some kind of CIA/cop psyop

Pretty sure it's a Peter Thiel joint

Gorson
Aug 29, 2014

gradenko_2000 posted:

What if we combined sports betting with crypto

what if we then marketed that to college age students oh gently caress too late

Gorson
Aug 29, 2014

quote:

In September 2021, an official in Michigan State University’s athletic department sent an email to his boss with exciting news: An online betting company was willing to pay handsomely for the right to promote gambling at the university.

:toot:

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Someone tell (former) Prince Harry.

SARS-Cordyceps
May 15, 2022

by vyelkin

BornAPoorBlkChild posted:

Pretty sure it's a Peter Thiel joint

Ah but you repeat yourself!

UKJeff
May 17, 2023

by vyelkin

Ebola Roulette posted:

That seems... low.

Like IDK about anyone else but my definition of rich is "never have to work again" and that's not happening with $2 mill. I could buy a house, car, pay off student loans and pay for my kid to go to college but I would definitely still have to work lol

It’s at least $80,000/year return in an index fund, that’s more than enough to live comfortably off of

Probably not enough for a family but for one person with good financial literacy $2.2m cash is absolutely “never have to work again”

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

depends on your housing situation and medical I think

UKJeff
May 17, 2023

by vyelkin

euphronius posted:

depends on your housing situation and medical I think

Sure if you have bad luck you can lose almost any sum of money

$80,000/year free money is still comfy living in most parts of the country

HazCat
May 4, 2009

If you had 2 million dollars you would have enough to move somewhere where healthcare isn't ruinous and still have basically 2 million dollars left over.

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void

Huffing farts

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void

gradenko_2000 posted:

What if we combined sports betting with crypto

I didn’t want to spoil it but I’ve got this project cooking where we are taking what works from the crypto sphere and the sports betting sphere and combining them with the power of the block chain to build a community experience centering on NFT adjacent gamified minting.

Imagine watching your Detroit lions getting touchdowns and then also so does your crypto wallet.

It’s mainly about community

It’s about family

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


Egg Moron posted:

I didn’t want to spoil it but I’ve got this project cooking where we are taking what works from the crypto sphere and the sports betting sphere and combining them with the power of the block chain to build a community experience centering on NFT adjacent gamified minting.

Imagine watching your Detroit lions getting touchdowns and then also so does your crypto wallet.

It’s mainly about community

It’s about family

thats great but my project does this and leverages AI to help guide betting

Grand Theft Autobot
Feb 28, 2008

I'm something of a fucking idiot myself

Ebola Roulette posted:

That seems... low.

Like IDK about anyone else but my definition of rich is "never have to work again" and that's not happening with $2 mill. I could buy a house, car, pay off student loans and pay for my kid to go to college but I would definitely still have to work lol

If you had $2m invested and returned 6% per year, that would be $120k you could spend on living expenses without touching the principal.

Not saying it's guaranteed to work out like that every year, but it's a realistic target amount for retirement.

anonumos
Jul 14, 2005

Fuck it.

UKJeff posted:

It’s at least $80,000/year return in an index fund, that’s more than enough to live comfortably off of

Probably not enough for a family but for one person with good financial literacy $2.2m cash is absolutely “never have to work again”

There are entire families living on less than $30k/yr. $80k puts you just above the average and 10k+ more than the median income. Median income by state or race is even worse, with black households in Mississippi making around a third the national median. $80k is more than a lot of families could ever hope for.

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

I think in America to be considered rich you need enough money to not be financially ruined by a health care emergency, developing an expensive medical condition or by requiring long-term care. Not to mention having adequate shelter + food etc. Amazingly $2 million doesn't seem quite enough to cover those kinds of potential expenses.

Can you even buy a marketplace health plan that won't ruin you in the event of developing a serious medical condition requiring expensive treatment?

edit: to be clear potential health care and long term care expenses aside, yes $2 million is rich.

i am harry
Oct 14, 2003

Homeless Friend posted:

lol the reddit ceo looks like this



looks like a total bitch

anonumos
Jul 14, 2005

Fuck it.

Nocturtle posted:

I think in America to be considered rich you need enough money to not be financially ruined by a health care emergency, developing an expensive medical condition or by requiring long-term care. Not to mention having adequate shelter + food etc. Amazingly $2 million doesn't seem quite enough to cover those kinds of potential expenses.

Can you even buy a marketplace health plan that won't ruin you in the event of developing a serious medical condition requiring expensive treatment?

Unfortunately, "independently wealthy" doesn't mean the same as it used to. There are so many pitfalls in American finances that even being a millionaire doesn't cushion the way it used to. Actual millionaires still feel the spector of disability breathing down their necks. $10 million might provide true security, but always at the whim of the people you hire to manage your investments.

anonumos has issued a correction as of 14:03 on Jun 17, 2023

Skinnymansbeerbelly
Apr 1, 2010

E4C85D38 posted:

To the bookie, it doesn't matter what the true odds are as long as you have a balanced book with overround, which guarantees that you make money regardless of the outcome of the event. They'll dynamically change the offered odds to encourage/discourage action on whatever side is imbalanced.

I don't think it happens anymore with the megasites, but one of the bits of the book Casino that they cut from the movie blew my mind: there was a network of bet "buyers" that retail-level bookies would sell their bets to at a slight discount, if that imbalance happened. The buyer would purchase from multiple bookies to get both sides of the bet covered and make a slight profit, which allowed the bookie to hedge theirs.

Acelerion
May 3, 2005

Skinnymansbeerbelly posted:

I don't think it happens anymore with the megasites, but one of the bits of the book Casino that they cut from the movie blew my mind: there was a network of bet "buyers" that retail-level bookies would sell their bets to at a slight discount, if that imbalance happened. The buyer would purchase from multiple bookies to get both sides of the bet covered and make a slight profit, which allowed the bookie to hedge theirs.

Lmao financial innovation in the gambling sector. In the 2040s a very unlikely superbowl outcome is going to take down the banking sector again

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

Acelerion posted:

Lmao financial innovation in the gambling sector. In the 2040s a very unlikely superbowl outcome is going to take down the banking sector again

2040s? Try 2025.

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:
teams from Vegas keep winning championships :tinfoil:

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Nov 2, 2005

mycomancy posted:

2040s? Try 2025.

imagining the refs getting dragged to some dark storage room during halftime to be greeted by the treasury secretary with a signed emergency injunction ordering them to safeguard our systemically important banks

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