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Guavanaut posted:Maybe they meant in the sense that it was the biggest porthole that they can get down there, which could be right until recently. "At the meeting Lochridge discovered why he had been denied access to the viewport information from the Engineering department—the viewport at the forward of the submersible was only built to a certified pressure of 1,300 meters, although OceanGate intended to take passengers down to depths of 4,000 meters. Lochridge learned that the viewport manufacturer would only certify to a depth of 1,300 meters due to experimental design of the viewport supplied by OceanGate, which was out of the Pressure Vessels for Human Occupancy (“PVHO”) standards. OceanGate refused to pay for the manufacturer to build a viewport that would meet the required depth of 4,000 meters." https://newrepublic.com/post/173802/missing-titanic-sub-faced-lawsuit-depths-safely-travel-oceangate
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So, you know, it's not even the biggest porthole they could get down there, just the biggest one they were willing to pay for (and shouldn't have)
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Z the IVth posted:https://tritonsubs.com/subs/gullwing/ That looks cool as gently caress but no. it doesnt exist. The ones that can do a KM down have actual pictures of them and were i guess used for blue planet. The titanic depth 4km one is all cgi and does not exist.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Send more billionaires down there. They'll find him. There was a big ocean that swallowed the rich I don't know why it swallowed the rich Lmao bitch
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Staluigi posted:So, you know, it's not even the biggest porthole they could get down there, just the biggest one they were willing to pay for (and shouldn't have)
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Julio Cruz posted:the company which has stated many times over how safe its submersible is would never lie, surely https://twitter.com/oneradchee/status/1671248613719044096?s=46 You can find that quote here https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/stockton-rush-titanic-submarine-oceangate-ceo-b2360988.html  "What are you gonna do, implode on me?" -quote from man imploded
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has elon turned up yet with his titanium pedo sausage?
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Perhaps that's something that Hirschman didn't consider in The Rhetoric of Reaction. He has auto CEOs paying unscrupulous stats grads and journalists to write about how seatbelts will cause more car accidents because they, as rational businessmen, would save money on manufacturing if there were no seatbelt laws. But maybe they were also against seatbelt (and helmet and tobacco) laws just because they have zero perception of safety and just wander childlike into risks doing what they like. (Or maybe it's like the neo neolibs believing wholeheartedly in the lies about the market that the last generation told. These guys are the sons of the anti-seatbelt CEOs who ended up true believers.)
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Is The Rhetoric of Reaction a worthwhile read regardless, or would you say it diagnosed a problem superceded in the modern political world?
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Most of the tabloid/spiked/facebook reactionaries use similar "well it won't even work anyway" arguments still, especially about anything relating to safety or welfare. I don't think it could address the inner mental life or motives of billionaires riding a MAME cab down to the Titanic, but I'm not sure anything could.
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i suppose if you don't have the resources of a billionaire you just go on the ghost train or that by way of a thrill, big whoosh of air ffffffFFFfFfFFFfffff and a sheet all bobbing about woww00woo0o00owo00o0o like that that's enough for us really
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and that's much safer
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well, so long as you go to an establishment with a fixed address and the proper paperwork :/
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Parliamentary ghost trains are easier to find and probably more profitable (if you have a Youtube channel, anyway)
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Guavanaut posted:Most of the tabloid/spiked/facebook reactionaries use similar "well it won't even work anyway" arguments still, especially about anything relating to safety or welfare. Oh well sure, the latter is its own mix we can ignore. I guess I'm more interested in if the Rhetoric of Reaction's prescriptions are useful against said tabloid/facebook people or at least those who absorb said arguments by osmosis.
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Was the billionaire on board the creator of the sub? nope, creator still alive, the guy who got imploded is Hamish Harding, a Dubai based aircraft broker with a somewhat sketchy looking investment group who was very private about everything except aircraft brokering and his various dangerous hobbies
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Z the IVth posted:Apparently the sub company CEO was in the oh I guess I completely missed that reporting rip
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I wonder if someone on the sub will be sacrificed to lengthen amount of time before oxygen runs out? Or would that save oxygen? Does a dead body use oxygen in decay processes? (Sorry for peculiar seeming thoughts, watching Silent Witness)
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I did joke that the CEO will be found as the sole survivor. "Congratulations Mr Rush, you've survived! The bad news is you're now on the hook for four counts of homicide."
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Guavanaut posted:Little nozzle to the outside you can open for a 5000psi bidet. you joke but "used the toilet wrong" is a pretty common cause of sub disasters
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Z the IVth posted:There's an actual no poo poo commercially produce mini-sub for sale that can reach the titanic and get this - you sit in a transparent acrylic sphere. The same company makes vessels that have gone to the bottom of the Marianas trench (and come back up again). I wish to reiterate Harding rode one of those or something much like it farther than this, and then took a look at the groversub breaking free of the tethers of maritime vessel inspection and basic good sense and went "yes I will ride this thing"
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Google Jeb Bush posted:you joke but "used the toilet wrong" is a pretty common cause of sub disasters
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Guavanaut posted:Maybe that's what the terves are really afraid of. Person with the wrong chromosomes uses a toilet in a Primark and the entire hull disintegrates. No survivors.
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Classic mistake Bruce. A trans used the wrong bathroom and the whole front fell off.
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I wonder if they at least saw any cool fish before they got imploded.
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The ultimate irony would be getting to see an un-exploded blobfish just before the pressure hosed them.
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Don't worry everyone these brave, brave souls WILL survive... as an exclusive set of NFTs available only on my website.
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I appreciate that the space bong lives in the violently weed green room.
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It's amazing how Oceangate's safety standards amounted to "trust us, bro" and people still threw money at them.
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A violent implosion and quick death is a bad scenario. A slow suffocation is a worse one. But this morning I've decided there's a yet worse outcome: a tiny leak that takes like several hours to fill up the submersible and slowly increase the pressure to intolerable levels
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Pistol_Pete posted:Core inflation UP to 7.1% last month Time to raise interest rates again! It hasn’t worked before, maybe it’ll work this time!
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Pistol_Pete posted:Core inflation UP to 7.1% last month I guaran-goddamn-tee that the submarine people's cores underwent no inflation whatsoever, and indeed compacted by about 95%
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The greedy, entitled public just need to belt up and accept that they're poorer. End of. - Someone recently given a life peerage. Or something.
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Microplastics posted:I've decided there's a yet worse outcome: the submarine rolls somehow and all the contents of the toilet come splashing out everywhere
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Staluigi posted:The CEO who probably compressed and exploded inside his mad catz death tube was a Captain of Industry who constantly complained about safety regulations for submersibles (and just in general) stifling innovation /Hutz Business Card Stifling? Innovation!
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worst toilet sinking was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_submarine_U-1206 but i'm positive I've read about others; maybe they were just partial disasters though, not ship loss actually this one wasn't a direct toilet sinking either, just a partial flooding that caused them to surface while still in an area crawling with British airplanes
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