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ThinkTank posted:It is not sensible to send your submersible past the depth to which it is pressure rated, otherwise they implode. Reasonable testing usually involves testing something beyond the use you expect for it because then you have much more certainty that it will withstand intended use on a regular basis. If you only use something at or before the limits of how you will use it, you are not putting yourself in a position to find out potential points of failure in situations you may not have anticipated during your anticipated use cases. At these depths, you definitely need some overengineering. Otherwise, you are turning every person going on a trip into a guinea pig. Everything we have been learning about how this company operates is that their testing and design decisions were informed by a high amount of wishful thinking and hubris. Any testing they did was probably done on a "get to yes" basis as opposed to truly testing out their designs to determine if they were actually safe.
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almost1337 posted:Closer to shards of im/exploded carbon fiber, so even lower odds of finding it. Three Olives posted:Pretty sure the pressure wave would turn the carbon fiber into like a gazillion pieces. As I understand it, the carbon fiber aspect of carbon fiber is just a binding material for the actual structure which is resin, so pretty brittle, I would think the pressure wave would just turn the resin into dust instantly, ripping the carbon fiber into a billion pieces in the process. Sydin posted:It's worse: the dipshit CEO decided to make the sub out of carbon fibers because NASA but not only is this apparently a miserable material for high pressure environments, when it does fail to pressure it does so quickly, catastrophically, and shatters rather than bending or cracking. So it's entirely possible that all you could find is thousands of shattered pieces of carbon fiber, the titanium sealing ring/hatch, some early 2000's gaming and audio equipment, and some greasy pockets of red jelly. Oh gently caress, I knew about the carbon fiber construction but blanked on it when I wrote that. It's in a million pieces isn't it, goddamn
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The Dirtiest Harry posted:Explaining why things should be tested past expected pressures Ah that makes sense. I now understand this situation better than the late CEO of Oceangate.
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I’m gonna call this another W for James Cameron. Dude goes to the titanic like people go to Trader Joe’s and I never hear him getting stuck.
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Kart Barfunkel posted:I’m gonna call this another W for James Cameron. Dude goes to the titanic like people go to Trader Joe’s and I never hear him getting stuck. He literally complained his wife called him on his cellphone while at the wreck.
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The Dirtiest Harry posted:Probably unrelated for science reasons I’m not smart enough to understand, but paintball air tanks (the little ones that attach to the gun and you run around with) are made from wrapped carbon fiber like the groversub, and charge up to 4500psi very safely. If the pressure vessel on those bottles were to fail at full pressure, it would explode and kill anyone nearby. Unexpected lol in this thread that paintball guns have more regulations than assault rifles
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Google Jeb Bush posted:it's weirdly difficult to find all that much about action group other than their (flagship) aviation division His company was based in Dubai. He's 100% dealing in shady business including slave labor.
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The submarine was designed by Charlie Munger.
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:I took the sub, it was a diving night just catching up on this thread, this was amazing
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I know the reason all ships handy are going to help is because at sea you always help if you're able to. But I'd like to think those pipe layers aren't looking very hard.Kart Barfunkel posted:I’m gonna call this another W for James Cameron. Dude goes to the titanic like people go to Trader Joe’s and I never hear him getting stuck. And he turned his hobby trip into a movie like the world's most expensive Youtuber.
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Why wasn't this thing tethered? I'm not saying it should have been because I'm a stupid internet commenter so what do I know, but the sub needed to go about 4km down and that doesn't seem impossibly long for a billionnaires tether.
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Im just gonna search this spot in the ocean, real loving thoroughly. So thoroughly you wouldn't believe. Sure its a 1x1 meter square, but by god Ill make sure no dead billionaires are there.
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N.Z.'s Champion posted:Why wasn't this thing tethered? I'm not saying it should have been because I'm a stupid internet commenter so what do I know, but the sub needed to go about 4km down and that doesn't seem impossibly long for a billionnaires tether. they couldn’t find a 4km tether on amazon
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N.Z.'s Champion posted:Why wasn't this thing tethered? I'm not saying it should have been because I'm a stupid internet commenter so what do I know, but the sub needed to go about 4km down and that doesn't seem impossibly long for a billionnaires tether. Entanglement risk.
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holefoods posted:they couldn’t find a 4km tether on amazon Amazon seems too rich for these folks blood. Wish.com of submarines
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holefoods posted:they couldn’t find a 4km tether on amazon the trick is to tweet that you want to buy one and an AI will setup a storefront where you can buy a 4 km tether automatically
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Barudak posted:Amazon seems too rich for these folks blood. Wish.com of submarines I'm sure they at least sprung for Temu
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Seriously, if there was anyone who could find these people it would totally be James Cameron. But I don't think he has any interest in it. Also, didn't some scientists say that the Titanic would be totally gone in a few years?
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N.Z.'s Champion posted:Why wasn't this thing tethered? I'm not saying it should have been because I'm a stupid internet commenter so what do I know, but the sub needed to go about 4km down and that doesn't seem impossibly long for a billionnaires tether. Cable is heavy. 4km of cable is extremely heavy and difficult to spool.
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N.Z.'s Champion posted:Why wasn't this thing tethered? I'm not saying it should have been because I'm a stupid internet commenter so what do I know, but the sub needed to go about 4km down and that doesn't seem impossibly long for a billionnaires tether. Basically the ocean currents would cause it to swing around so much they'd die from injuries hitting each other/the hull before reaching the titanic.
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smoobles posted:we all died in a ghetto submarine 
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Hi, I'm Stockton Rush, and welcome to Jackass.
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Haptical Sales Slut posted:Just use fishing line, it’s crazy strong. Spiderweb silk. Flextape?
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Random Stranger posted:I know the reason all ships handy are going to help is because at sea you always help if you're able to. But I'd like to think those pipe layers aren't looking very hard. they're all about laying pipe, not giving a handy
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Haptical Sales Slut posted:Just use fishing line, it’s crazy strong. How strong is fiberoptic cable? I can find REALLY long ones on amazon.
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I’m imagining if they are alive rn, waiting to die that they are spending their final moments berating the ceo, good customer service tbh
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i'm sorry to report all the occupants have been teamkilled
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Are the sandbags with sharpie writing on them “26 lbs” hanging beneath the steel pipe part of the ballast? Lol
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blight rhino posted:and also lol the StepSon living his life at the Blink 182 concert about to be like a more multi-millionaire. 🎶 All the.... small things... Like mom's... new fling... Crushed to.... 1D By the... deep sea Dad's dead... but though... You're here... at my show... Tweeting... Drinking... In-her-i-ti-ing Say it ain't so To the wreck they go Chamberpot is full Breaches in the hull Na-na na na na na-na na-na... 🎶
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Big rear end On Fire posted:Are the sandbags with sharpie writing on them “26 lbs” hanging beneath the steel pipe part of the ballast? Lol That is actually kind of normal, it's ballast, you don't spend a bunch of money on something you are planning on leaving on the sea floor so it looks nice in photos before launch.
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wet_goods posted:I’m imagining if they are alive rn, waiting to die that they are spending their final moments berating the ceo, good customer service tbh 100% if they didn't die instantly they spending their last moments kicking the poo poo out of that moron
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Super comedy option The electronics failed The emergency "get to the surface" system (if they had one) goes and they all go "phew so glad we got out of that one lads" Only to be lost at sea with no backup communication system and everyone is kinda scanning the ocean when they are dieing of c02 poisoning on the surface like 100 miles away
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Further Reading posted:He said to anywhere deeper than the titanic. The titanic is as deep as the titanic. https://youtu.be/Ai2HmvAXcU0 This is the 777 having its wings load tested to failure. However much more than they should normally bend in an extreme scenario, that multiplier is the safety factor far above loads they will generally encounter. (The money shot failure is at 2:29 or so) Look at how many people are involved, and how coordinated it is. Realize that every part is certified before it goes into a plane, down to the screws. All of this makes usually cheap parts extremely expensive because they have been tested so thoroughly. Then think about this sub and how many jankass shortcuts the owner took. I hope they’re located and saved because honestly he doesn’t deserve a 100ms painless blink from existence.
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The Dirtiest Harry posted:Probably unrelated for science reasons I’m not smart enough to understand, but paintball air tanks (the little ones that attach to the gun and you run around with) are made from wrapped carbon fiber like the groversub, and charge up to 4500psi very safely. If the pressure vessel on those bottles were to fail at full pressure, it would explode and kill anyone nearby. Someone has surely beat me to it but this has been covered already. Paintball tanks are under tension, i.e. the pressure is pushing out against the tank not compression pushing in against it. It’s good at tension, not compression.
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