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bird food bathtub posted:Not a law-talker so someone may very well be able to correct me on this. I don't see her throwing the case in a blatant "GOD EMPEROR TRUMP IS INNOCENT" manner. My crystal ball scrying is that Cannon will make the case entirely irrelevant by dicking around with the trial and loving over the prosecution on every single last possible tiny little ridiculous bullshit ticky tacky thing she can to drag the process out for more years than Trump is likely to continue to be alive, and long past the next election. Filing bullshit motions and arguing over imaginary interpretations of everything is Trump's legal strategy. I can only see that getting exponentially more effective when the referee is in your pocket. Oh.  The case is still dead though. I guess I was just hoping there was some way of salvaging this.
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Travic posted:Oh. What? No?
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Every indication is that the case with Canon is just one of several more indictments coming down the pipe for our golden haired boy.
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Travic posted:Oh. You know none of the stuff in that post has happened, right?
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Travic posted:Oh. What? I’m not sure how that could be the conclusion you draw from this.
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:What? I’m not sure how that could be the conclusion you draw from this. Because nothing that is even slightly good can ever happen, and we're all doomed, of course.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:it's been coming up a bunch more recently because of china's role in the fentanyl and meth trade (specifically wrt the nearly unlimited supply of precursors coming out of china). it's not really a political issue yet but it probably will be in a couple of years at the current rate. trump's also always been pretty aware of china given they've always been his #1 enemy and his dipshit white nationalist advisors even more so Much like the whole thing with Putin and Ukraine, if he really had a solution and clout to MAKE A DEAL why not just loving do it to help save the thousands of lives he proclaims to talk about? Obviously he doesn't care about that at all, he just wants credit for it.
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bird food bathtub posted:Not a law-talker so someone may very well be able to correct me on this. I don't see her throwing the case in a blatant "GOD EMPEROR TRUMP IS INNOCENT" manner. My crystal ball scrying is that Cannon will make the case entirely irrelevant by dicking around with the trial and loving over the prosecution on every single last possible tiny little ridiculous bullshit ticky tacky thing she can to drag the process out for more years than Trump is likely to continue to be alive, and long past the next election. Filing bullshit motions and arguing over imaginary interpretations of everything is Trump's legal strategy. I can only see that getting exponentially more effective when the referee is in your pocket. She did the same thing in the previous trial and eventually the DOJ appealed it all & the 11th Circuit immediately rolled up the newspaper and got the spray bottle out and told her she was a bad judge. Given her blatant hack rulings in the previous trial a) idk that she has it in her to interfere in more clever/subtle ways that will withstand any scrutiny at all and b) I dont think the DOJ is going to treat it with nearly the same patience they did before, especially given that they know the 11th has already ruled heavily in their favor for similar issues.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/jan-6-rioter-electroshocked-dc-officer-michael-fanone-sentenced-125-ye-rcna89388 12.5yr sentence of the 14yr requested by prosecutors. After the sentence was read, presumably the traitor yelled, "T won". 
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quote:Rodriguez “deeply respected and idolized Trump,” whom he saw “as the father he wished he had,” My god.
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ryde posted:My god. looking at jr. and eric with seething envy for their quality parenting
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Trump receives first batch of evidence against him in classified documents case, including audio tapes quote:
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Not directly related to Trump at the moment, but I'll bet a dollar that it connects to him eventually: DHS watchdog has launched criminal probe into destruction of Jan. 6 Secret Service text messages, sources say quote:The Department of Homeland Security’s Inspector General has launched a criminal investigation into the circumstances surrounding the destruction of Secret Service text messages that may have been relevant to inquiries about the Jan. 6 Capitol riot, two sources familiar with the matter told NBC News.
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Deteriorata posted:Not directly related to Trump at the moment, but I'll bet a dollar that it connects to him eventually: my theory on this has always been that it was actually the opposite of conspiring with Trump, it's the secret service discussing "uh how do we violate our responsibilities to the president and keep him from er doing a coup" they crammed him in a car and refused to take him to the capitol attack, sad lmao
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Google Jeb Bush posted:my theory on this has always been that it was actually the opposite of conspiring with Trump, it's the secret service discussing "uh how do we violate our responsibilities to the president and keep him from er doing a coup" There was a faction within the SS that was clearly working with Trump. My guess is that the messages showed coordination with the Proud Boys or Oath Keepers - or Roger Stone. Who gave the order to delete them and why is going to be interesting.
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idiotsavant posted:She did the same thing in the previous trial and eventually the DOJ appealed it all & the 11th Circuit immediately rolled up the newspaper and got the spray bottle out and told her she was a bad judge. Given her blatant hack rulings in the previous trial a) idk that she has it in her to interfere in more clever/subtle ways that will withstand any scrutiny at all and b) I dont think the DOJ is going to treat it with nearly the same patience they did before, especially given that they know the 11th has already ruled heavily in their favor for similar issues. Yeah I'm betting Smith has am upper limit of bs before he moves to have Cannon recuse herself. It's easier to do it when you have a bunch of documented reasons I guess
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Deteriorata posted:Trump receives first batch of evidence against him in classified documents case, including audio tapes Having damning consensual interviews is probably the worst case for Trump. Unless Cannon decides to throw the case entirely and transparently, there's nothing she can really do to shield him.
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Deteriorata posted:Trump receives first batch of evidence against him in classified documents case, including audio tapes Lordy there are tapes.
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Fart Amplifier posted:Having damning consensual interviews is probably the worst case for Trump. Unless Cannon decides to throw the case entirely and transparently, there's nothing she can really do to shield him. He'll just say he didn't say those things like he always does, even when presented with the recordings themselves. Then everyone will promptly forget it ever happened. He has done a ton of illegal poo poo quite openly, and none of it stuck. This won't either. It will just vanish like everything else brought against him. Get annoyed with me all you like. If I'm wrong, I'm Toxxed, so you'll never have to hear from me again. I'm not wrong, though. This will not be what finally brings Trump down.
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Oracle posted:Lordy there are tapes. of course there are tapes
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Oracle posted:Lordy there are tapes. Herstory Begins Now posted:of course there are tapes They're going to play the piss tape in federal court, aren't they? Mercury_Storm fucked around with this message at 06:16 on Jun 22, 2023 |
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Google Jeb Bush posted:my theory on this has always been that it was actually the opposite of conspiring with Trump, it's the secret service discussing "uh how do we violate our responsibilities to the president and keep him from er doing a coup" why would they have to destroy evidence of themselves doing their jobs and duties there's a far simpler explanation
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tldr. Liars. Whiners.Deteriorata posted:Not directly related to Trump at the moment, but I'll bet a dollar that it connects to him eventually: How do they "face a subpoena" from a dissolved House investigation when, oh yeah, they didn't cooperate with the subpoena? How does a "demand for info" from the national archives prevent them from halting their own investigation? Durr, just maybe stop delaying and give the archives the data you have? Or are you trying to get Tindicted? If you claim they lack legal standing to interfere, sue them or wait for them to sue you. I love how these orgs/groups/depts seem to think the law is this huge complicated jumbled mess, when it fact 95% of it is the most straightforward guidance imaginable. Not following it seems the surefire method to make it harder to follow in the future. "I didn't respond to the subpoena or the archives, now I'm juggling three possibly-conflicting requests, waaaa I'm so persecuted!"
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PhantomOfTheCopier posted:tldr. Liars. Whiners. It's not that the request prevents them from halting their own investigation, it's that responding to the subpoena/NARA request for information may require something that is functionally an internal investigation, which USSS's papa agency has told them to halt.
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Deteriorata posted:There was a faction within the SS that was clearly working with Trump. My guess is that the messages showed coordination with the Proud Boys or Oath Keepers - or Roger Stone. And not related to Trump's Legal Troubles, but got me curious--anyone have any more details on the status of the Biden-Secret Service relationship now? I remember reading early in the administration that Biden didn't trust the SS because of Trump, which is a little unnerving. The Praetorian Guard wasn't exactly a pillar of political stability back in the day.
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Judgy Fucker posted:And not related to Trump's Legal Troubles, but got me curious--anyone have any more details on the status of the Biden-Secret Service relationship now? I remember reading early in the administration that Biden didn't trust the SS because of Trump, which is a little unnerving. The Praetorian Guard wasn't exactly a pillar of political stability back in the day. Pence was smart enough not to get into the limo that would have promptly dumped him into the potomac with a few extra holes in his head.
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The Bible posted:He'll just say he didn't say those things like he always does, even when presented with the recordings themselves. Then everyone will promptly forget it ever happened. jesus you sound like an exhausting whiner and a delusional clown. Maybe take a break from the news huh?
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One "perk" of judge Cannon being so clearly in the tank is I've seen less weird cringy (in this case) maternalistic stuff about how Mommy Cannon is finally going to give Trump the spanking he needs and so forth. I remember it most with Mueller, as above, but there was several of these at different points.
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Trump campaign's Election Day operations official appears before Jan. 6 grand juryquote:The former deputy director of Election Day operations for Donald Trump's 2020 campaign appeared before a federal grand jury Thursday as part of special counsel Jack Smith's investigation into Jan. 6 and efforts to interfere with the lawful transfer of presidential power.
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Deteriorata posted:Trump receives first batch of evidence against him in classified documents case, including audio tapes on the subject of regressives getting evidence andf stuff, what ever happen to the capitol jan 6 videos that either Fox News or Tuck got. the change of custody of regressive poo poo has to be lined with people similar to Donnie's margo.
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PhazonLink posted:on the subject of regressives getting evidence andf stuff, what ever happen to the capitol jan 6 videos that either Fox News or Tuck got. Given all the other poo poo shows going on at Fox News lately, somebody probably mst the wide executive decision to pull the plug on that fiasco.
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Simplex posted:Given all the other poo poo shows going on at Fox News lately, somebody probably mst the wide executive decision to pull the plug on that fiasco. The new, updated footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iqLhdInGrk
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projecthalaxy posted:One "perk" of judge Cannon being so clearly in the tank is I've seen less weird cringy (in this case) maternalistic stuff about how Mommy Cannon is finally going to give Trump the spanking he needs and so forth. Maybe the weirdos who made Mueller art have have made newer material harder to find because I haven’t seen much about Jack Smith. Up until recently it was mostly that picture of him in his robes working for The Hauge and wishcasting. If Jack Smith thirst art is being made I hope it stays under whatever rock it currently inhabits.
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b0ng posted:Maybe the weirdos who made Mueller art have have made newer material harder to find because I haven’t seen much about Jack Smith. Up until recently it was mostly that picture of him in his robes working for The Hauge and wishcasting. If Jack Smith thirst art is being made I hope it stays under whatever rock it currently inhabits. I found a guy called Jack Smith with a pink snake fursona. Maybe that's the man himself?  Every so often I read (or write) a post that reminds me how goddamn weird politics are these days.
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https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/22/trumps-legal-team-vouches-putting-him-stand-federa/wow posted:Former President Donald Trump should testify in any of his pending court battles, including the federal trial on charges of mishandling classified documents and obstructing justice, a member of his legal team said. Well that's one way to lube the guillotine.
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quote:I think that he’s very educated,   quote:very well-spoken quote:and he’s done nothing wrong
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This is absolutely his legal team trying to stay on his good side/project confidence. Nobody could be that bad of an attorney.
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i'm just picturing trump doing that "its ok" voice to the jury the entire time "it's okaaaay. it's okaay. don't worry about it, it's okaaaay" "you're free to go, sir" "thhhhhhhhhhhhank you"
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How do you cross-examine someone who aimlessly, endlessly babbles like Trump? (I don't mean that rhetorically. I'm sure a good lawyer could - I just don't know anything about it.)
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raminasi posted:How do you cross-examine someone who aimlessly, endlessly babbles like Trump? (I don't mean that rhetorically. I'm sure a good lawyer could - I just don't know anything about it.) They kinda-sorta managed it in the Alex Jones trial. They asked direct, specific, yes-or-no-only questions and (generally) stuck to only those answers. Problem I see with this case is that in the Jones trial the judge was right there when objections were raised, willing to dick slap him, force him to shut the gently caress up, sit the gently caress down, answer the question that was asked and only the question that was asked. I can absolutely see the sycophantic chudge in this case working against the prosecution by not forcing that to happen so Trump can burp out his usual stream of verbal diarrhea instead of answering any questions.
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