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I've seen lvl 80 Seele 60K break before in moc so that what I meant, you need a lot of levels for a break effect character to gain an advantage over a high level non break effect one. edit: RIght now she does a good enough job at lvl 65 with effect rate speed boots and a bunch of hp relics. I have a lot other stuff than need an upgrade before i commit to this. AParadox fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Jun 24, 2023 |
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Eimi posted:Yes but Jingliu is edgy, has white hair, and a moon theme. She's perfect, no notes. Yeah I hadn't seen the character in any promo art before the game came out but she was pretty noticeable in the launch trailer leaping upside down. Her eyes also kind of stand out too. It's this kind of neat combination of red yet cold dead eyes. Probably going to be a hit, especially since she looks pretty important to the overall Luofu story arc down the line. There also seems to be some sort of MMD trend with the character, which is kind of hilarious since the models default expression seems to be scowling murderface.
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AParadox posted:I've seen lvl 80 Seele 60K break before in moc so that what I meant, you need a lot of levels for a break effect character to gain an advantage over a high level non break effect one. Honestly I would consider a 40% damage increase from 70 to 80 one of the cheapest and most reliable upgrades in the game.
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facepalmolive posted:That's the thing. You don't. One of the selling points is that you dig through your existing Thief sets from your weekly EoW runs + whatever you collected from chests in SpaceChina and you literally just slap it on. You don't farm anything. It takes more effort to farm a quantum set (or cobble together your second-best quantum relics if you already have a quantum carry), if anything. I just took a cowboy set off someone else and didn’t have to wait weeks for the right pieces to show up from eow. A lot of people probably did something similar, because it didn’t involve getting more relic xp
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That... is a number. What is it about her kit which makes BE so good on her? The line I always hear about BE is "it was good in beta now it's nerfed and is poo poo".
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Clarste posted:Honestly I would consider a 40% damage increase from 70 to 80 one of the cheapest and most reliable upgrades in the game. As far as her personal damage upgrade as a break effect char yes, but its not going to amount to that big upgrade for your team overall. I'm not saying break effect SW is bad, I'm saying its not that budged at the stage where most peoples accounts are. She already strong without it and can be easily used in almost any team as a lvl 60 support and do a great job at it, as long you make sure she doesn't die and have enough effect rate.
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GoodluckJonathan posted:That... is a number. What is it about her kit which makes BE so good on her? The line I always hear about BE is "it was good in beta now it's nerfed and is poo poo". It got nerfed, but not to uselessness and is still really useful and powerful.
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GoodluckJonathan posted:That... is a number. What is it about her kit which makes BE so good on her? The line I always hear about BE is "it was good in beta now it's nerfed and is poo poo". Quantum is one of the best Break Effect elements and she can contribute like 80% of her utility without any attack stats, making other sets less valuable on her. Even for Effect Hit, she just needs her event LC and a Effect Hit chest and she's good to go. Getting her enough crit rate and crit damage to matter is much, much harder. Edit: Oh yeah, and she can give anything quantum weakness so she's more reliable as a designated breaker. Clarste fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Jun 24, 2023 |
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GoodluckJonathan posted:That... is a number. What is it about her kit which makes BE so good on her? The line I always hear about BE is "it was good in beta now it's nerfed and is poo poo". It's discussed in today's posts, basically you can reach her max effect hit chance with her chest and LC, so you're free to put BE on her too. I'm not convinced it matters. Maybe for some accounts, but I dont see how it would help me push MoC vs just having her in quantum or gunslinger. Maybe it is good enough to let you beat another level or two? Idk. I don't want to put any relic xp into the clownsuit until someone comes out who really NEEDS it.
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Why did you put any relic xp into the quantum set then?
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As someone who's been using Break Effect Silver Wolf, I think she's really good for harder fights that you can't/don't want to just auto. Because as long as you're willing to leave her Ult in reserve for a few turns, you can pretty consistently break with her on pretty much anything you've put Quantum weakness on, and a high break effect number combined with the Entanglement status effect often leads to you getting two or three full team turns before even elite enemies have a chance to recover
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Not saying it's a bad build, just saying it might not be worth it to put together a break effect set for her for everyone. She'd have to be able to do something you couldn't do before, in the set you've already got her in. If you're pulling her and starting the build from scratch, go hog wild
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I had SW in cowboy hand-me-downs for a while and frankly they did almost nothing for her so I gave her the break set and it's a lot of fun. To be fair, I already had a leveled break set on Asta so I just switched it over.
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Like.... hitting the deer for 80k in what I assume is MoC6 seems p loving good. I have what I thought was a pretty decent sub-dps set but I don't see numbers like that.
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Clarste posted:To be fair, I already had a leveled break set on Asta so I just switched it over.
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big cummers ONLY posted:Not saying it's a bad build, just saying it might not be worth it to put together a break effect set for her for everyone. She'd have to be able to do something you couldn't do before, in the set you've already got her in. If you're pulling her and starting the build from scratch, go hog wild The only piece that might be specific for her is the EHR chest. Otherwise I don't consider putting together a BE set for SW a waste, because you can always give that set to somebody else once you've decided to move on. (In fact, I didn't put together a BE set for SW so much as ripping it straight off Serval who's warming the bench right now.) And I've felt that it's always useful to have a single BE set available to pass around (especially to throw onto a new character, for example). Also once again, I wouldn't go out of my way farming for a Thief's set. You should have a handful lying around from your weekly EoW runs. AParadox posted:You also need to level her up as much as possible to make her break effect actually meaningful, otherwise a 0 break effect carry will do more damage with their break. Leveling up to max is really expensive and there are so much more to farm at this point that a 15K extra damage every 2-3 turns really don't feel worth it. This is a good point. If anything the bigger 'waste' is leveling, because character exp is not transferable to anyone else later. So I mean, I guess don't level her higher than you'd intend to level her otherwise? GoodluckJonathan posted:That... is a number. What is it about her kit which makes BE so good on her? The line I always hear about BE is "it was good in beta now it's nerfed and is poo poo". Nothing really? Just that she does her regular debuffing job just as well, and BE is just a very cheap, efficient cherry to drop on top. You can probably do this with any support that hits the enemy for decent amounts of toughness damage. Just that you wouldn't do it on say, Pela, because while freeze is plenty useful on its own, it doesn't scale very well at all with BE.
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You probably wouldn't do it on a buffing support because - buffers really need speed to keep up with your DPS using up all their buffs, making the Musketeer and Wind sets more appealing - buffers don't really do much toughness damage, so landing the break with them is way more difficult But it's a good set for any debuffer that hits the enemy to apply debuffs. As long as their element has a useful break effect, anyway.
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facepalmolive posted:The only piece that might be specific for her is the EHR chest. Otherwise I don't consider putting together a BE set for SW a waste, because you can always give that set to somebody else once you've decided to move on. (In fact, I didn't put together a BE set for SW so much as ripping it straight off Serval who's warming the bench right now.) And I've felt that it's always useful to have a single BE set available to pass around (especially to throw onto a new character, for example). I feel like people are misunderstanding what I'm saying. Whether or not it's worth building SW as BE is based on the context of your account's current roster and progression. I'm not saying it's bad for everyone, or a waste of resources for everyone. I'm only saying that it might not be worth building up another set of gear for SW if what she's got right now is doing fine for you. Even if it ends up being the optimal choice in all contexts, the optimality only matters if it lets you beat content you couldn't already beat. My original post was just musing about it in relation to my own situation, not as a criticism of the build idea. I personally hope that it IS an optimal build for her, because it kinda sucks how much musketeer dominates on supports. Every armor set should have an appealing use case for at least a couple characters
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can we get more fire units pls
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Kyrosiris posted:Yeah, to provide a visual example, this is my Silver Wolf: Where is this from? Is there an enka equivalent for Star Rail?
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JT Jag posted:a high break effect number combined with the Entanglement status effect often leads to you getting two or three full team turns before even elite enemies have a chance to recover Yeah, that's the other thing. My SW's break is a 72% pushback - 25% from the act of a break at all, then 47% more due to her BE-empowered Entanglement (Entanglement is normally 20%, multiplied by Break Effect). I've seen people get sent back 200+ action value before. Baiard posted:Where is this from? Is there an enka equivalent for Star Rail? https://rails-express.vercel.app/ - found it on reddit, it makes infographics of a given UID's signature characters (so your support unit + the other three you choose to show off).
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Meowywitch posted:can we get more fire units pls If the discussion earlier in the thread was correct, Topaz will be coming in 1.4. She's a Fire Hunt character, sort of a single-target version of Jing Yuan, relying on a "summon" to deal damage via follow-up attacks. Except she's not as tied to the summon's turn coming up on its own; both her skill and her ult force it to attack*. *: current datamined version, mechanics subject to change.
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Gah, they really need to boost SU path blessing weighting, just had an incredibly cursed run where I only got the first resonance power up after the second elite.
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Feel like there's a decent number of fire characters already. Like 4? Is that the most aside from lightning?
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Zurai posted:If the discussion earlier in the thread was correct, Topaz will be coming in 1.4. She's a Fire Hunt character, sort of a single-target version of Jing Yuan, relying on a "summon" to deal damage via follow-up attacks. Except she's not as tied to the summon's turn coming up on its own; both her skill and her ult force it to attack*. show me the datamined characters SyntheticPolygon posted:Feel like there's a decent number of fire characters already. there is one 5* fire character and it's Himeko
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Ibblebibble posted:Gah, they really need to boost SU path blessing weighting, just had an incredibly cursed run where I only got the first resonance power up after the second elite. Honestly if I don't have my resonance by the end of the first two rooms, I just bail and restart.
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Jabor posted:You probably wouldn't do it on a buffing support because I mean, except for Asta who provides constant full party buffs regardless of her speed and has the best break skill in the game (tied with Sampo I believe).
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Ibblebibble posted:Gah, they really need to boost SU path blessing weighting, just had an incredibly cursed run where I only got the first resonance power up after the second elite. Yeah I agree with this. I’ve had a few really bad runs because of this.
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Meowywitch posted:show me the datamined characters There's 2 because the protag though.
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Meowywitch posted:show me the datamined characters Here's the link to the google docs These are all subject to change naturally (though the kits probably won't deviate too much) and some of the leaked kits are probably still in concept/testing phase. Some characters have also changed rarities/Paths in between leaks.
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Kafka basically changed into a different character within the last 2 weeks
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Wow a character name Black Swan, i am sure this is a tribute to my favorite Darren Aronofsky movie.
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Tae posted:Kafka basically changed into a different character within the last 2 weeks Did she? The biggest change is that her Talent now inflicts Shock on E0 and DoT Vulnerability on E1 instead of vice-versa, but her main gimmick of triggering DoTs on Skill/Ult cast didn't change. They just moved some Traces and Eidolons around and adjusted some numbers.
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If anyone is on the fence about grabbing Silver Wolf in the last few days of the banner and wants to mess around with the hilarity that is E2, I just replaced Bronya with picrel in my support slot: Does need to land her ult on a 5x debuff target though because I don't have a single ER rope, not even a 3* one. RNG is a bitch.
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Snooze Cruise posted:Wow a character name Black Swan, i am sure this is a tribute to my favorite Darren Aronofsky movie. please no story or character spoilers per thread rules sushibandit posted:If anyone is on the fence about grabbing Silver Wolf in the last few days of the banner and wants to mess around with the hilarity that is E2, I just replaced Bronya with picrel in my support slot: how do u make these
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blizzardvizard posted:Did she? The biggest change is that her Talent now inflicts Shock on E0 and DoT Vulnerability on E1 instead of vice-versa, but her main gimmick of triggering DoTs on Skill/Ult cast didn't change. They just moved some Traces and Eidolons around and adjusted some numbers. I mean any change that moves something between base kit and Eidolons should be considered significant. She used to require enemies be shocked to trigger her talent and the next version of her got a break-focused trace that resulted in every Lightning% trace being replaced with BE% ones. She remained the same base idea of a DOT trigger character under those, but I feel like everything surrounding that base idea is significant because it influences how you build/play her. I feel like that sort of significant design shift should be seen as a possibility for all of these other characters we mostly know as LC photos or lore names plus notepad files of their kit/Eidolons without any hard numbers on damage/buff values or durations. haypliss fucked around with this message at 05:05 on Jun 24, 2023 |
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So, if I hit 50% crit on my Jing without a crit rate chest, should I go crit damage chest instead?
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Chocobo posted:So, if I hit 50% crit on my Jing without a crit rate chest, should I go crit damage chest instead?
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Chocobo posted:So, if I hit 50% crit on my Jing without a crit rate chest, should I go crit damage chest instead? For crit dependent dps, the general thought is you want a 1:2 ration of crit rate/crit damage, but I'm not sure how that still holds in this game given damage per turn vs time. I don't mind a higher rate so it's more reliable.
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Tatsuta Age posted:please no story or character spoilers per thread rules why are you being weird about this lol
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