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Dog Friday posted:So we don't want Wagner to win and we don't like Putin either... What's the best outcome from all this? Probably Putin and his closest cronies being taken out in a decapitation strike by Wagner, then the regular Russian troops taking out Prigozhin/Wagner in a clean operation, with the interim government announcing a cease-fire with Ukraine. A coup/civil war is never a good time for anyone even tangentially involved.
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https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1672578805842563073
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Jun 24, 2023 13:28
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oh my god hes going to lose
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Jun 24, 2023 13:28
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Dog Friday posted:So we don't want Wagner to win and we don't like Putin either... What's the best outcome from all this? Someone in Kremlin who's tired of this poo poo circus topples Putin, pulls out of Ukraine, deals with Prigozhin, and at least puts Russia on the trajectory towards something resembling a functioning democratic state. There is no indication of it happening, but then there was no real indication that Wagner would march on Moscow either.
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Jun 24, 2023 13:30
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Paladinus posted:I suspect this might be Russian media trying to discredit Prigozhin. But who the gently caress knows anymore. I don't think its possible to discredit Prigozhin. He has no good will, he is a convicted criminal. His only redeeming quality is that he almost never lies in his press releases. Which can be huge or nothing
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Jun 24, 2023 13:30
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Mine clearance is much easier if it's not under fire. Also, Russian mobiks have cell phones that they call or text family and friends back home, they will find out what's going on and maybe decide it's not worth dying for a piece of Ukraine. Or be worried about scary Wagner people roaming about their hometown. Or just use the confusion to make their way back home.
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Jun 24, 2023 13:30
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Young Freud posted:Mine clearance is much easier if it's not under fire. theyre not supposed to use cell phones it reveals their location
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Jun 24, 2023 13:31
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Young Freud posted:Mine clearance is much easier if it's not under fire. Maybe, but at the very least, if they are going to leave, Ukraine wants to let them, and if they aren't, they are going to want to strike the right place
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Jun 24, 2023 13:32
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From Meduza: quote:Wagner Group veterans have been told to wait for the go-ahead to join the uprising, according to the independent outlet iStories.
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Jun 24, 2023 13:41
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https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1672583840337100800 https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1672583668135522306?s=20 A few hours to go. Comstar fucked around with this message at 13:46 on Jun 24, 2023 |
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Jun 24, 2023 13:43
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This would probably be the funniest thing to happen in human history if it weren't for the nukes
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Jun 24, 2023 13:43
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FishBulbia posted:This would probably be the funniest thing to happen in human history if it weren't for the nukes We all want to lol off the chain at this, we desperately wish to lmao, but as of yet our mirth is held in check by deep empathy and concern for willo's balls (USER BUBUBUBDUBDUBDBUBD FOR THIS FHDKJHFJHDF)
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Jun 24, 2023 13:56
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You have lost Moscow without unsheathing your sword https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCc67pn98Q8
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Jun 24, 2023 13:57
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From Meduza: Seems like Putin actually went to Tver
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Jun 24, 2023 13:59
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Woke up to piss, checked the thread, am now laughing too hard to get back to sleep Lol Lmao  evenE; ^ Still hilarious
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Jun 24, 2023 14:00
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in a shocking twist a lone buk missile rises to avenge its fallen comrade
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Jun 24, 2023 14:01
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From Meduza quote:According to a source close to the Russian military’s General Staff who spoke to the outlet iStories, Putin plans to have his security forces “eliminate” Yevgeny Prigozhin and to offer amnesty to all Wagner fighters.
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Jun 24, 2023 14:06
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Isn't it a reasonable move to relocate top leadership from an area that can develop into an active combat zone? I don't get this he fleeing so he is a coward stuff. Shows that the situation is very uncomfortable though.
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Jun 24, 2023 14:06
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What a total loving shitshow this has become. Already by the time the three-day operation against Kyiv had lasted a month I thought things had reached maximum stupidity, yet here we are.
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Jun 24, 2023 14:07
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Hryme posted:Isn't it a reasonable move to relocate top leadership from an area that can develop into an active combat zone? I don't get this he fleeing so he is a coward stuff. Shows that the situation is very uncomfortable though. It is not unreasonable, but Zelenskyy stayed in Kyiv. People are going to draw comparisons.
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Jun 24, 2023 14:09
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Hryme posted:Isn't it a reasonable move to relocate top leadership from an area that can develop into an active combat zone? I don't get this he fleeing so he is a coward stuff. Shows that the situation is very uncomfortable though. I mean yes, but it still shows a lack of confidence by the leadership.
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Jun 24, 2023 14:10
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Hryme posted:Isn't it a reasonable move to relocate top leadership from an area that can develop into an active combat zone? I don't get this he fleeing so he is a coward stuff. Shows that the situation is very uncomfortable though. When Ghani fled Kabul Afghanistan fell, when Gaddafi fled tripoli so did libya, zelensky stayed in kyiv and its still standing. When the leader flees, especially in a place where people are accustomed to the leader always placing their own wealth and safety above theirs it signals to the population that the war is over. The leader has moved into save their skin mode and the people follow their lead.
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Jun 24, 2023 14:11
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https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1672583310730723328 I don't know what I would prefer if I was a citizen of Rostov. Wagner occupation or Chechen liberation...
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Jun 24, 2023 14:11
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Hryme posted:Isn't it a reasonable move to relocate top leadership from an area that can develop into an active combat zone? I don't get this he fleeing so he is a coward stuff. Shows that the situation is very uncomfortable though. Reasonable? Yes. absofuckinglutely embarrassing that your own capital can’t repel your own (former) mercenary troops and your capital is also about to become an active combat zone? Also yes.
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Jun 24, 2023 14:11
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Hryme posted:Isn't it a reasonable move to relocate top leadership from an area that can develop into an active combat zone? I don't get this he fleeing so he is a coward stuff. Shows that the situation is very uncomfortable though. Because Zelenskyy actively refused to flee his capital when it came under attack ("I don't need a ride, I need more ammo"). So on one hand you have a president who stays in his capital when it is actively under fire, and one president who flees the second things look bad.
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Jun 24, 2023 14:11
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Hryme posted:Isn't it a reasonable move to relocate top leadership from an area that can develop into an active combat zone? I don't get this he fleeing so he is a coward stuff. Shows that the situation is very uncomfortable though. Zelensky stayed in Kiev while it was being assaulted and Spetsnaz guys were trying to black-bag him. Prudent or not, it makes Putin look like a massive quivering bitch by contradistinction
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Jun 24, 2023 14:12
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Paladinus posted:It is not unreasonable, but Zelenskyy stayed in Kyiv. People are going to draw comparisons. yeah and it's not about cowardice or courage, it's that it communicates a lack of faith that you will still control your city in 48 hours
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Jun 24, 2023 14:12
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I would be more interested in winning (and staying alive) that what looks embarrassing.
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Jun 24, 2023 14:12
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ummel posted:https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1672583310730723328 wow like 5 whole btrs, they're going to do literally jack poo poo Hryme posted:I would be more interested in winning (and staying alive) that what looks embarrassing. yes that's why it is significant: it suggest that the staying alive move is to run away
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Jun 24, 2023 14:13
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Staluigi posted:Yeah we're gonna be needing a truly inspired new thread title asap War in Ukraine: Swan Lake Eurobeat Remix Gravitas Shortfall fucked around with this message at 14:44 on Jun 24, 2023 |
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Jun 24, 2023 14:13
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Hryme posted:I would be more interested in winning (and staying alive) that what looks embarrassing. For Putin, looking embarrassing may be the reason you won't be alive soon.
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Jun 24, 2023 14:15
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Herstory Begins Now posted:yeah and it's not about cowardice or courage, it's that it communicates a lack of faith that you will still control your city in 48 hours I guess I don’t understand that cause if Biden or the former guy “fled” to a secure military base while the capital was being invaded so what?
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Jun 24, 2023 14:16
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Hryme posted:I would be more interested in winning (and staying alive) that what looks embarrassing. It becomes a more difficult choice when you're an autocratic dictator trying to cling to power in the face of abject failure and winning (and staying alive) and looking embarrassed are mutually exclusive for you...
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Jun 24, 2023 14:16
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Uh...  Roadblocks are up... 
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Jun 24, 2023 14:18
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War in Ukraine: ZvZ
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Jun 24, 2023 14:19
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dennyk posted:It becomes a more difficult choice when you're an autocratic dictator trying to cling to power in the face of abject failure and winning (and staying alive) and looking embarrassed are mutually exclusive for you... I don't know if Putin needs to keep up appearances this much to stay in control. Guess I will learn if he ends up winning this.
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Jun 24, 2023 14:21
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From Meduza: quote:A convoy of Wagner Group fighters has been spotted in the village of Krasnoye in Russia’s Lipetsk district (based on video geolocated by Meduza). An eyewitness from the area confirmed having seen people in unmarked camouflage uniforms.
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Jun 24, 2023 14:22
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Dog Friday posted:So we don't want Wagner to win and we don't like Putin either... What's the best outcome from all this? No one launches a loving nuke, in my opinion. (If this is very unlikely, I'd be happy to know that fact).
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Jun 24, 2023 14:22
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Paladinus posted:It is not unreasonable, but Zelenskyy stayed in Kyiv. People are going to draw comparisons. Not just Zelensky, loving Stalin stayed in Moscow. Like Putin's hard man mystique and constant comparisons with similar figures in Russia's past will really bite him here if it looks like he's scared and saving his own behind.
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Hryme posted:Isn't it a reasonable move to relocate top leadership from an area that can develop into an active combat zone? I don't get this he fleeing so he is a coward stuff. Shows that the situation is very uncomfortable though. Maybe it's reasonable according to some criteria, but even worse from the symbolic blow it represents, it never should have come to it. The fact that leaving the capital and preparing for a siege can even begin to appear reasonable is a failure of an unimaginable magnitude.
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