Ukraine War: "20 months of war for a used car."

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Jon: Nov 30, 2004

Cornwind Evil posted:

What's that quote? "There are years where nothing happens, and there are weeks (days) where decades happen."

Said by Lenin about a Russian civil war just over 100 years ago. It's true what Mark Twain said, "history doesn't repeat itself but it often rhymes."

# ? Jun 24, 2023 15:40

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# ? May 31, 2024 11:41

Deformed Church: May 12, 2012; 5'5", IQ 81

ronya posted:

On friendship without limits:

https://twitter.com/ZhangTaisu/status/1672607269610201089

there's a classic from the r/relationships thread where a woman's friends had been giving her terrible advice that had blown up a long term relationship and then it turns out they were just using her as a testing ground for stuff they were thinking about. welcome to the internet xi, interesting to have you?

# ? Jun 24, 2023 15:42

Comstar: Apr 20, 2007; Are you happy now?

Someone asked about the large jet that got shot down:

:nws:

report has link to video of jet going down. No chutes, and I doubt anyone survived that.

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/an-il-22m-air-borne-command-post-shot-down-in-the-voronezh-region/

quote:

The Aerospace Forces of the Russian Federation have lost an Il-22М11 air-borne command post.

A video of the fall of a burning aircraft was published on social media.

Enemy aviation suffered a loss in the sky over the Voronezh region.

Russian propagandist Ilya Tumanov posted information about the tail number of the lost aircraft � RA-75917.

This number belongs to an Il-22М11 air-borne command post aircraft, which is essentially an air command post of the enemy army.

It is known that in recent years the Russian Federation has been modernizing these aircraft.

Il-22М11 is an important link in the building of a system of a unified information field at the group of troops level.

Comstar fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Jun 24, 2023

# ? Jun 24, 2023 15:43

WAR CRIME GIGOLO: Oct 3, 2012; The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Good morning friends it looks like I woke up and Putin is still the poop and president of the Russian federation.

Upon scrolling it looks like I did not say anything too crazy and very much so appreciate the people who reached out to toxic and told him I needed to be probed.

Now with all that out of the way, it looks like Wagner is attempting to seize nuclear weapons so thata real great. I'm really glad that shock therapy was done.

# ? Jun 24, 2023 15:44

Alan Smithee: Jan 4, 2005; A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

TulliusCicero posted:

Is akhmat the bearded tik tok guys?

Because lol they are going to fight Outer Heaven?

they aren't fighting outer heaven

they are fighting weird skull guy from XOF

# ? Jun 24, 2023 15:44

TulliusCicero: Jul 29, 2017

The Brilliant well written antagonist Skullface?

:lol:

This poo poo is wild

What are the chances they can stop this at the gates of Moscow?

# ? Jun 24, 2023 15:45

Neddy Seagoon: Oct 12, 2012; "Hi Everybody!"

Comstar posted:

Someone asked about the large jet that got shot down:

report has link to video of jet going down. No chutes, and I doubt anyone survived that.

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/an-il-22m-air-borne-command-post-shot-down-in-the-voronezh-region/

Don't they only have like four of those?

# ? Jun 24, 2023 15:47

lomzus: Mar 18, 2009

STREET FIGHTS

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1672601801168760835

# ? Jun 24, 2023 15:47

MegaZeroX: Dec 11, 2013; "I'm Jack Frost, ho! Nice to meet ya, hee ho!"

https://twitter.com/SmartUACat/status/1672588414917525504/photo/1

# ? Jun 24, 2023 15:47

Randarkman: Jul 18, 2011

TulliusCicero posted:

What are the chances they can stop this at the gates of Moscow?

If the Wagnerite aren't stopped by some manner of airpower I say the Rosgvardia melt away when contact is made on the ground.

# ? Jun 24, 2023 15:48

Alan Smithee: Jan 4, 2005; A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

it's ok everyone Russia is good hands they got this guy running the show

# ? Jun 24, 2023 15:48

Tiny Timbs: Sep 6, 2008

Comstar posted:

Someone asked about the large jet that got shot down:

report has link to video of jet going down. No chutes, and I doubt anyone survived that.

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/an-il-22m-air-borne-command-post-shot-down-in-the-voronezh-region/

Holy gently caress

# ? Jun 24, 2023 15:48

Charlz Guybon: Nov 16, 2010

theghostpt posted:

https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1672505357397118976?t=0xwD1C6ukjc5vdXoDEyvUw&s=19

Ukraine War: The dildo of consequences rarely arrives lubed

https://twitter.com/yosariantwo/status/1672453619734413312?s=46&t=NaBsmRLSG8uFOhGCaXEuTA

# ? Jun 24, 2023 15:51

lomzus: Mar 18, 2009

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1672615546624389122

# ? Jun 24, 2023 15:51

Waltzing Along: Jun 14, 2008; There's only one
Human race
Many faces
Everybody belongs here

Jon posted:

Said by Lenin about a Russian civil war just over 100 years ago. It's true what Mark Twain said, "history doesn't repeat itself but it often rhymes."

Pretty sure that was George Lucas.

# ? Jun 24, 2023 15:52

Rust Martialis: May 8, 2007; At night, Bavovnyatko quietly comes to the occupiers’ bases, depots, airfields, oil refineries and other places full of flammable items and starts playing with fire there

Jon posted:

Said by Lenin about a Russian civil war just over 100 years ago. It's true what Mark Twain said, "history doesn't repeat itself but it often rhymes."

"Hegel remarks somewhere that all great world-historic facts and personages appear, so to speak, twice. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce." (Karl Marx, 18th Brumaire)

# ? Jun 24, 2023 15:52

lomzus: Mar 18, 2009

https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1672617141005066240

# ? Jun 24, 2023 15:53

CommissarMega: Nov 18, 2008; THUNDERDOME LOSER

lomzus posted:

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1672615546624389122

If my smile were any wider, the top of my head would fall off :allears:

# ? Jun 24, 2023 15:54

khwarezm: Oct 26, 2010; Deal with it.

Waltzing Along posted:

Pretty sure that was George Lucas.

Putin looking at Wagner advance on Moscow:

"Its stylistically designed to be that way, and you can't undo that, but you can diminish the effects of it"

# ? Jun 24, 2023 15:55

the holy poopacy: May 16, 2009; hey! check this out; Fun Shoe

lomzus posted:

STREET FIGHTS

, Prigo ♫
Livin' just to find munitions
Hidin somewhere in the niiiii-iiiiiight ♫

# ? Jun 24, 2023 15:55

BigglesSWE: Dec 2, 2014; How 'bout them hawks news huh!

https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1672617002576355328?s=46&t=G1x8XWIwrNxUQoXItlkh2w

Fun fact: during the last days of the battle of Berlin, most of the German defenders consisted of different SS Volunteer Divisions from across Europe!

# ? Jun 24, 2023 15:56

lomzus: Mar 18, 2009

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1672607662314233856

https://twitter.com/belwarriors/status/1672601122467467276

# ? Jun 24, 2023 15:56

Deki: May 12, 2008; It's Hammer Time!

CommissarMega posted:

If my smile were any wider, the top of my head would fall off

Apparently it was taken a week ago but they delayed announcing it?

# ? Jun 24, 2023 15:56

madmatt112: Jul 11, 2016; Is that a cat in your pants, or are you just a lonely excuse for an adult?

khwarezm posted:

Putin looking at Wagner advance on Moscow:

"Its stylistically designed to be that way, and you can't undo that, but you can diminish the effects of it"

# ? Jun 24, 2023 15:57

Set: Oct 30, 2005

So I just read a pretty good article on Yle about Prigozhin, who he is and where he came from, that I thought you guys might find interesting. Especially if you aren't super familiar with his background and are curious about why people call him the hotdog-man. The article is a month old, and contains some predictions that are really fascinating to see how they ended up now. There are lots of links in the article for further reading if you are interested in the topic.

The usual disclaimer: The untranslated article doesn't contain anything graphic, but clicking further on the news service or the links within the article may lead to material that certain goons may find disturbing.

Writers: Hanna Visala, Heikki Heiskanen
Release date: 12.05.23
Link to untranslated article: https://yle.fi/a/74-20014596

quote:

Prigozhin, known for his cruel tricks, was in Putin's background until everything changed last year - now the Wagner leader's audacity amazes

Yevgeni Prigozhin started his entrepreneurial career by selling hotdogs and ended up doing Putin's dirty work. Now he seems to be directly criticizing Putin.

Yevgeni Prigozhin, the founder of the private military company Wagner, has become known for his raucous performance, but in a video published on Tuesday, the day of the victory, he appeared to be guilty of an outright majesty crime.

Prigozhin already sounded like he was criticizing Russian President Vladimir Putin himself when he spoke of a "happy grandpa" that might turn out to be "the very last rear end in a top hat".

In the past, Prigozhin has criticized the Ministry of Defense. He has complained about insufficient ammunition supplies to his Wagner forces fighting in Bakhmut.

- Prigozhin is now clearly raising the stakes, says Professor Aki Huhtinen of the National Defense University.

He estimates that Prigozhin is talking primarily to his followers.

Prigozhin has the support of Russian war bloggers and hard-line nationalist circles. They want a more and more brutal war.

Prigozhin has had a strong bond with Putin, but it can now falter, Huhtinen estimates.

Prigozhin has publicly denied that he spoke about Putin. According to the sources of the Meduza news website, opinions are already circulating in the Kremlin that Prigozhin is not working for the common good, but is pursuing his own causes.

According to the article, Prigozhin may face serious problems for his statements, even though he has patrons in high circles.
Professor Huhtinen estimates that Putin's administration does not like to take actions that could raise some kind of unrest.

Prigozhin has behind him a mercenary army and supporters in pro-war nationalist circles.

An influential figure of the streets

According to Huhtinen, Prigo�in has an exceptional ability to network. He is a kind of "street influencer" who moves nimbly in many places.

- If you need leather jackets, car tires, hotdogs or media coverage, call "Putin's chef", Huhtinen describes Prigo�in's position.

Prigozhin comes from outside the security organizations after spending almost the entire 1980s in prison, so he does not share the KGB-background fraternity of Putin's inner circle.

Instead, he is able to trade and do dirty work. He has connections to both the security apparatus and business life.

From the underworld to a restaurant entrepreneur

Born in Leningrad in 1961, Prigo�in graduated from a sports college, but a sports career did not appeal to him and he ended up in petty crime circles instead.

In 1981, he received a 13-year prison sentence for robbery, fraud and enticing teenagers to commit a crime.

Trial transcripts seen by the Meduza news website and the British newspaper The Guardian paint a grim picture of the young Prigozhin.

In one case, Prigozhin and his three companions had set out to follow a lonely woman through the streets of Leningrad. Prigozhin strangled the woman until she lost consciousness. The gang then robbed the woman of her boots and golden earrings.

Prigozhin was released from prison in 1990, in the middle of the disintegrating Soviet Union.

In Russia transitioning to capitalism, Prigozhin started his entrepreneurial career by selling hotdogs.

In 1996, Prigo�in opened one of the first luxury restaurants in St. Petersburg. Staraja tamo�nja, or the Old Customs House, located on Vasilis Island, became a favorite place for St. Petersburg's elite.

Mayor Anatoli Sobt�ak dined there and sometimes brought his deputy mayor Vladimir Putin with him.

When Putin became president, he was happy to bring his guests to his former hometown. At that time, Prigo�in's restaurants were often the places to eat.

- Vladimir Putin saw how I turned the hotdog-stall into a business. He saw that I don't hesitate to personally carry a plate for my distinguished guests, as after all they have arrived as my guests. We got acquainted when he came with Japanese Prime Minister [Yoshirō] Mori, then with [US President George] Bush, Prigozhin told the Gorod 812 website.

Soon, Prigo�in's catering company Konkord began producing catering services for important state events and then winning significant public supply contracts. In 2012, it started delivering food to schools in Moscow. The company also received food orders from the armed forces.

Prigozhin began to be called "Putin's chef".

From chef to private warlord

In 2014, the occupation of Crimea and the war in eastern Ukraine brought a new addition to Prigozhin's services.

Prigozhin began to finance the private military company Wagner.

The Russian leadership sought to conceal its involvement in the war, and Wagner provided opportunities for that.

The Guardian writes that in the summer of 2014, a meeting was organized at the Russian Ministry of Defense, where Prigozhin asked the ministry for land as a training camp for "volunteers" going to eastern Ukraine.

According to the newspaper, Prigozhin said the order came from "Father", as Putin was called.

Prigozhin received a plot of land for a training camp in Molkino, located in southern Russia, from the Russian Ministry of Defense.

Through it, mercenaries began to travel to Syria, where Russia supported Bashar al-Assad's regime in the bloody civil war. The Reuters news agency reported on Molkino's camp in 2019.

Prigozhin also had another way of offering favors to the Russian leadership.

He created the Internet Research Agency, which later became known as the St. Petersburg Troll Factory. The company produced online propaganda and influence operations both in Russia and abroad.

Prigozhin's company, among other things, ran a network of fake profiles on social media during the 2016 US presidential election, which sought to support Donald Trump's campaign.

It is dangerous to challenge Prigozhin

Prigozhin denied for a long time his connection to both Wagner and the Internet Research Agency.

Journalists who investigated Prigozhin's actions experienced both threats and lawsuits.

The head of a slaughtered ram was delivered to the editorial office of the newspaper Novaya Gazeta, and a funeral wreath was delivered to the home of the journalist who wrote about Prigozhin.

In 2018, three Russian journalists were murdered in the Central African Republic when they tried to investigate the activities of the Wagner company.

When Russia launched its major invasion of Ukraine in 2022, the tide turned. Now Prigozhin wanted to take full credit for both Wagner and "St. Petersburg's troll farm".

In 2022, a video became public in which a man who looked like Prigo�in gave a recruitment speech to prisoners in a penal colony. It turned out that Wagner was recruiting prisoners for the war against Ukraine.

Soon, Prigo�in's press service published a text in which he said that he founded Wagner in 2014.

Prigozhin admitted his connection to the election influence operation in the United States in March of last year.

- Gentlemen, we got involved, we're getting involved and we're going to get involved. Precisely, exactly, surgically and in our very own way, just as we know how to, Prigozhin wrote on the Vkontakte site of his Konkord company.

Wagner made sledgehammer murders his signature

Recruiting prisoners also brought to the surface the brutality of the Wagner group.

Already in 2017, raw footage of the war in Syria spread, in which Wagner's fighters torture a Syrian man and finally murder him by, among other things, beating him with sledgehammers.
In November of last year, Greyzone, a channel of the Telegram messaging service connected to the group, published a video in which Wagner's fighters murdered with a sledgehammer Wagner's former fighter, Yevgeni Nu�in, who was earlier imprisoned in Ukraine. Prigozhin commented approvingly of the video on his company's website.

When the European Parliament declared Wagner a terrorist organization, Prigozhin sent the parliament a bloody sledgehammer.

Prigozhin cherishes the image of as a tough man of the people

National Defense University professor Aki Huhtinen says that Prigo�in has a carefully crafted image against oligarchs, i.e. rich big businessmen.

- He may be rich, but he skillfully positions himself on the side of the millions of Russians who hate the luxurious lifestyle of the oligarchs. Instead of fine fashion and European capitals, he appears in the trenches, Huhtinen describes.

Now the relationship between the official Russian armed forces and Wagner is very tense.

Putin has been in the habit of allowing some kind of competition between the different camps of his administration. The question mark is how long he can allow the current standoff to continue.

- The big question is also, where is the limit and whether Prigo�in is carving a place for himself and how high, Professor Aki Huhtinen reflects.

I guess we just found out the limit!

# ? Jun 24, 2023 15:57

gay picnic defence: Oct 5, 2009; I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

Hannibal Rex posted:

https://twitter.com/IuliiaMendel/status/1672550303785271296?s=20

What CSTO doing?

The real interesting thing here is not that CSTO knocked him back but that he felt the need to ask them in the first place.

# ? Jun 24, 2023 15:58

OctaMurk: Jun 21, 2013

Even if the chechen want to fight i bet wagner would own them

# ? Jun 24, 2023 15:58

DiomedesGodshill: Feb 21, 2009

Have we heard from Solovyov yet? I can't wait for him to lose his poo poo. And by "his poo poo" I mean Putin, who is a real piece of poo poo.

# ? Jun 24, 2023 15:58

Comstar: Apr 20, 2007; Are you happy now?

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1672616852319551488?s=20

I can't say if this is accurate or not, but it probably does not matter anymore.

# ? Jun 24, 2023 15:58

mcvey: Aug 31, 2006; go caps haha

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Lol

L m a o

# ? Jun 24, 2023 15:59

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

khwarezm posted:

Putin looking at Wagner advance on Moscow:

Oh. I think NOW is the time for the Downfall edit. Holy poo poo it was all a joke and now it very well could be a real situation that plays out.

Phone posting but I hope someone doe the needful.

# ? Jun 24, 2023 15:59

A LOVELY LAD: Feb 8, 2006; Hey man, wanna hear a secret?; College Slice

Somone secretly switched the copium with coupium

# ? Jun 24, 2023 16:00

LaserPrinter69: Sep 6, 2022; "I did a perfect print job, grown men were coming up to me and saying with tears in their eyes, 'Sir, it was a perfect print job.' What they're trying to do to your favorite printer (ME!) is a disgrace."

25,000 people is a lot but it's not THAT much compared to a modern nation's military. And Wagner has been complaining for a year that they're severely under supplied. And some significant percentage of their fighting force is just some dimwit convicts. And they're geographically spread out all over the Eastern front of Ukraine. I'm really surprised they're steamrolling their way to the nations capital, meeting either no resistance or blasting their way through fortified military installations like they were made of tissue paper.

# ? Jun 24, 2023 16:00

WAR CRIME GIGOLO: Oct 3, 2012; The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Valdai doesn't seem like the most defensible position I mean it's surrounded by Forest on three sides and a lake to the north. I really don't know if Putin's thinking this one through.

# ? Jun 24, 2023 16:00

Blow: Feb 10, 2004

Comstar posted:

Someone asked about the large jet that got shot down:

report has link to video of jet going down. No chutes, and I doubt anyone survived that.

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/an-il-22m-air-borne-command-post-shot-down-in-the-voronezh-region/

What in the gently caress is happening?

:wtf:

# ? Jun 24, 2023 16:00

Zippy the Bummer: Dec 14, 2008; Silent Majority
The Don
LORD COMMANDER OF THE UKRAINIAN ARMED FORCES

DiomedesGodshill posted:

Have we heard from Solovyov yet? I can't wait for him to lose his poo poo. And by "his poo poo" I mean Putin, who is a real piece of poo poo.

he's hit the road

# ? Jun 24, 2023 16:01

Alan Smithee: Jan 4, 2005; A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

doesn't Wagner realize that G�tterd�mmerung bad?

# ? Jun 24, 2023 16:01

pro starcraft loser: Jan 23, 2006; Stand back, this could get messy.

LaserPrinter69 posted:

25,000 people is a lot but it's not THAT much compared to a modern nation's military. And Wagner has been complaining for a year that they're severely under supplied. And some significant percentage of their fighting force is just some dimwit convicts. And they're geographically spread out all over the Eastern front of Ukraine. I'm really surprised they're steamrolling their way to the nations capital, meeting either no resistance or blasting their way through fortified military installations like they were made of tissue paper.

If posts are to be believed, it sounds like they are adding to their ranks from the Russian regulars.

# ? Jun 24, 2023 16:01

fullerene: Apr 29, 2022

LaserPrinter69 posted:

compared to a modern nation's military

yeah but what about compared to Russia's military

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# ? May 31, 2024 11:41

Barudak: May 7, 2007

LaserPrinter69 posted:

25,000 people is a lot but it's not THAT much compared to a modern nation's military. And Wagner has been complaining for a year that they're severely under supplied. And some significant percentage of their fighting force is just some dimwit convicts. And they're geographically spread out all over the Eastern front of Ukraine. I'm really surprised they're steamrolling their way to the nations capital, meeting either no resistance or blasting their way through fortified military installations like they were made of tissue paper.

Word is Prig has been lying about being underfunded and instead stockpiling weapons and men for this assault and since Russia is full of thieves everyone assumed it was true.

# ? Jun 24, 2023 16:01

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