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I don't want Prigozhin in charge any more than I want Putin in charge. I want this stupid pointless invasion and attempted genocide to end, and killing and destruction to stop. But as long as it's fascist Russian elites killing other fascist Russian elites, it may help end this sooner than waiting for Putin to die of old age. Confusion to the enemy. 
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Jun 24, 2023 16:02
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LaserPrinter69 posted:25,000 people is a lot but it's not THAT much compared to a modern nation's military. And Wagner has been complaining for a year that they're severely under supplied. And some significant percentage of their fighting force is just some dimwit convicts. And they're geographically spread out all over the Eastern front of Ukraine. I'm really surprised they're steamrolling their way to the nations capital, meeting either no resistance or blasting their way through fortified military installations like they were made of tissue paper. maybe they werent undersupplied lol this clearly required a lot of planning. They were stockpiling
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Jun 24, 2023 16:02
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LaserPrinter69 posted:25,000 people is a lot but it's not THAT much compared to a modern nation's military. And Wagner has been complaining for a year that they're severely under supplied. And some significant percentage of their fighting force is just some dimwit convicts. And they're geographically spread out all over the Eastern front of Ukraine. I'm really surprised they're steamrolling their way to the nations capital, meeting either no resistance or blasting their way through fortified military installations like they were made of tissue paper. Reread what you said and think about this. What if Wagner is not severely under? What if they've just been stockpiling depots in regions that are loyal to them and those stockpiles are about to be activated as well as the Wagner veterans. I don't think it's the 25,000 Wagner rights that you have to worry about, I think it's the army units that are literally leaving Ukraine as we speak to go and join them and shore up positions in rostov and move towards moscow. I mean we literally saw them take the ministry of defense building with out many shots fired that's not something you do if your enemy's confident that you have a very small force. The enemy being the Russian federation, is very aware that they are hosed in The jig Is up I mean there's a reason that they had to put a media blackout on wagner. What I'm wondering now is those presidential posters of prigohzin that I saw a few weeks ago and had posted here were actually low-key recruitment ads and interest checks on having prigohzin take power
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Jun 24, 2023 16:02
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LaserPrinter69 posted:25,000 people is a lot but it's not THAT much compared to a modern nation's military. And Wagner has been complaining for a year that they're severely under supplied. And some significant percentage of their fighting force is just some dimwit convicts. And they're geographically spread out all over the Eastern front of Ukraine. I'm really surprised they're steamrolling their way to the nations capital, meeting either no resistance or blasting their way through fortified military installations like they were made of tissue paper. It looks like some reports are saying the whole under supplied thing may have been a lie and Wagner was stocking up for this.
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Jun 24, 2023 16:02
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Barudak posted:Word is Prig has been lying about being underfunded and instead stockpiling weapons and men for this assault and since Russia is full of thieves everyone assumed it was true. "Wow, these random chucklefucks who keep invading Belgorod seem to be facing no resistance. what if..."
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Jun 24, 2023 16:03
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Its tragic that some Russians decided to gently caress off back to Russia but not all Russians
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Jun 24, 2023 16:03
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BigglesSWE posted:https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1672617002576355328?s=46&t=G1x8XWIwrNxUQoXItlkh2w they've got Captain Alex on it  
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Jun 24, 2023 16:04
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do you remember like 18 months ago when putin could have just decided to not do any of this poo poo for no reason? lol
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Jun 24, 2023 16:04
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Blow posted:What in the gently caress is happening? The Fall of an Empire.
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Jun 24, 2023 16:04
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Valdai doesn't seem like the most defensible position I mean it's surrounded by Forest on three sides and a lake to the north. I really don't know if Putin's thinking this one through. Russian armies are not exactly known to excel in forests and lakes.
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Jun 24, 2023 16:04
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mcvey posted:Lol Started by laughing at one hotdog man on SA, now laughing at another.
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Jun 24, 2023 16:05
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Deformed Church posted:do you remember like 18 months ago when putin could have just decided to not do any of this poo poo for no reason? lol No, because something something blood and soil something something ukrainians arent a real people something something ukrainian nazis
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Jun 24, 2023 16:06
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LaserPrinter69 posted:25,000 people is a lot but it's not THAT much compared to a modern nation's military. And Wagner has been complaining for a year that they're severely under supplied. And some significant percentage of their fighting force is just some dimwit convicts. And they're geographically spread out all over the Eastern front of Ukraine. I'm really surprised they're steamrolling their way to the nations capital, meeting either no resistance or blasting their way through fortified military installations like they were made of tissue paper. They might get their poo poo together. They might not. 
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Jun 24, 2023 16:06
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Rust Martialis posted:Confusion to the enemy. 
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Jun 24, 2023 16:06
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Peace for the peace God Somebody get me an angelic version of this 
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Jun 24, 2023 16:06
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Ronwayne posted:Started by laughing at one hotdog man on SA, now laughing at another. doob i tochka
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Jun 24, 2023 16:06
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Comstar posted:The Fall of an Empire. calling russia an empire is stretching the words meaning imo
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Jun 24, 2023 16:07
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Getting close to Tula huh? https://twitter.com/PjotrSauer/status/1672609015686217728?t=5-7faeRwbj17tUIjBXD3Fg&s=19 Rumors rumors rumors
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Jun 24, 2023 16:09
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Blue Raider posted:calling russia an empire is stretching the words meaning imo
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Jun 24, 2023 16:09
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LaserPrinter69 posted:25,000 people is a lot but it's not THAT much compared to a modern nation's military. And Wagner has been complaining for a year that they're severely under supplied. And some significant percentage of their fighting force is just some dimwit convicts. And they're geographically spread out all over the Eastern front of Ukraine. I'm really surprised they're steamrolling their way to the nations capital, meeting either no resistance or blasting their way through fortified military installations like they were made of tissue paper. There's multiple issues I think that Putin has inadvertently created. 1. He might have actually succeeded in declawing the military as a political threat but the result is that its not able to effectively respond to a threat like this, or even particularly loyal to any regime at all, even his own. 2. Wagner has gained a ton of institutional experience in all of the wars its been sent to, I've heard its actually done the brunt of serious fighting in Ukraine for the last few months while the Russian army itself is being held back to recover after very nasty losses in the first phase of the war. 3. Its position as a kind of grey army that can be scapegoated for failures and doesn't receive high priority for supply has almost certainly been breeding extreme resentment in the force, certainly Prigozhin constant rhetoric bears out this idea that nobody there is happy at how they are treated and used by the government. Additionally I think this and the fury of the war has bred furious loyalty within its ranks to the unit and Prigozhin himself, something that does not exist in the Russian military and its attitude towards Putin. 4. They seem to have been lying about their munitions situation and may have been stockpiling for exactly this kind of play. 5. They have successfully painted themselves as serious Russian patriots on the front line dying every day against the homo-Nazi forces of NATO, even if regular Russian troops are sent to deal with them it may be very difficult to get them to actually engage, the morale problem from fighting your countrymen who were on the frontline against Ukraine 2 days ago is a serious problem. 6. The Russian army itself has all kinds of problems that have been thrown into sharp focus by the war, rather than fighting them a lot of regular soldiers may well be tempted to join them and get rid of the perceived fat-cats back in Moscow. I don't want to overstate it, I still think that Putin has the advantage, but I think this is why 25K men seem to be punching so far above their weight class.
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Jun 24, 2023 16:10
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Barudak posted:No, because something something blood and soil something something ukrainians arent a real people something something ukrainian nazis You forgot something something NATO and something something biolabs.
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Jun 24, 2023 16:12
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Don't they only have like four of those? Supposedly they had 5 (not a expert, just did some googling) but they were old (80's Soviet era) and in the process of upgrading them starting in 2021 or so. I don't know if that was one of the fancy upgraded version but either way its actually a pretty big deal to lose one and it'll actually put a decent crimp on their ability to coordinate air forces in the region now.
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Jun 24, 2023 16:12
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Poogie’s Doghouse
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Jun 24, 2023 16:13
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The_Franz posted:You forgot something something NATO and something something biolabs. All I know is that these NATO funded color revolutions are getting out of hand.
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Jun 24, 2023 16:13
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Kchama posted:It turns out that this is one of the pitfalls of making your populace as apathetic as possible: They don't give a gently caress if you're being overthrown. Well if you know you've no say in your government 'Meet the new boss, same as the old' becomes the thing.
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Jun 24, 2023 16:13
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They fight like their soldiers. Drunken and badly.
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Jun 24, 2023 16:14
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Smartest cop https://twitter.com/vorobyov/status/1672613496138203137?t=WPTzId7DCD_jpjQDpcJMAA&s=19
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Jun 24, 2023 16:14
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shocking footage of putin being shot by prigozhin during rally https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMLjP2ajXvs
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Jun 24, 2023 16:14
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Blow posted:What in the gently caress is happening? I'm not a shooting down planes expert but it looks like they shot down a plane idk
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Jun 24, 2023 16:14
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Kahdyrovites still waiting to get in to Rostov: https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1672621753623781379
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Jun 24, 2023 16:15
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Seth Pecksniff posted:
Why go into other threads to dunk on them. Just do it here like by calling them loving losers who deserve every minute of mental discomfort they're suffering because of their habituated simp for a strongman autocrat
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Jun 24, 2023 16:16
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MOD PSA PLEASE READ
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Blue Raider posted:calling russia an empire is stretching the words meaning imo Missed the last couple centuries of Russian expansion, did you? “If Hitler invaded Hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the Devil in the House of Commons.” (Winston Churchill)
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Jun 24, 2023 16:16
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KitConstantine posted:Getting close to Tula huh? oh poo poo, you're back! <3
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Jun 24, 2023 16:16
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Staluigi posted:Why go into other threads to dunk on them. Just do it here like by calling them loving losers who deserve every minute of mental discomfort they're suffering because of their habituated simp for a strongman autocrat There are still goofballs on this forum who support Putin? I thought we got rid of them all already.
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Jun 24, 2023 16:19
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for real i would believe if prighozhin was made in a CIA biolab
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Jun 24, 2023 16:20
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https://twitter.com/Sino_Market/status/1672618130634338304
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Jun 24, 2023 16:20
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Oldsmobile posted:Kahdyrovites still waiting to get in to Rostov: https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1672621753623781379 Does Wagner not have anything to hit them with as they sit there or are they going to roll in and join the coup?
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Jun 24, 2023 16:20
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Idkl and nobody else does.
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Jun 24, 2023 16:22
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Deformed Church posted:do you remember like 18 months ago when putin could have just decided to not do any of this poo poo for no reason? lol It's also possible that his hold on power was slipping earlier and the war was an attempt at consolidation (which ultimately failed, obviously).
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