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hemale in pain posted:That's why Prigozhin is going to turn up dead within a few weeks time. I just can't really see another outcome. This requires somebody to fear Putin more than Prig or have loyalty (lmao) to Putin of a high degree. Its not impossible or something, just seems lower down the possibilities behind like, shoigu getting launched out a trebuchet
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Jun 24, 2023 19:32
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Russian channels reporting agreement provided for the resignation of Russian Ministry of Defense leadership while Prig focuses on Africa and is out of the conflict.
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Jun 24, 2023 19:33
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The coup imploded
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Jun 24, 2023 19:33
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parthenocarpy posted:Love the people saying ending a potential coup that would terminate the presidency of Putin is itself the reason that will terminate the presidency of Putin. Like, what rulebook are you guys operating from? What is the correlation? You guys have to come up with this stuff from somewhere. Yeah its a really bad look, and I don't know how you extrapolate more than that https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672668143045554176
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Jun 24, 2023 19:33
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Well thats an anticlimax 
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Jun 24, 2023 19:33
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lol the tank is still stuck https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1672673175040147458
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Jun 24, 2023 19:34
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Deltasquid posted:Putin apparently capitulating to Wagner's demands to reshuffle the MOD does not bode well for his strong man image. Putin rules by fear and at this point more than a few people must be thinking "if this Wagner dude can pull a stunt like this unopposed and get what he wants, maybe I can rock the boat as well" ...I get that your interpration of how Putin rules is very narrowly defined like "rules by fear" but do you really believe that is a checklist item for him every morning? Like, he wakes up sore, thinking "Ahhh crap, my stongman image!" and somehow has a harder time oppressing an entire nation? I really want to understand how and why you guys think this hurts Putin. Like, they're gonna go back to war with Ukraine right now, as if this never even happened, and practiced denialism is Russia normalizes all of this for them
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Jun 24, 2023 19:34
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I can't under any circumstances imagine Putin actually sacrificing his best buddy and most loyal dip poo poo Shoigu. Especially if Prigoblin has given up his leverage.
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Jun 24, 2023 19:34
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Barudak posted:Generally in strong man regimes once you capitulate the other dudes who you have kept in check will accurately realize, oh, the guy to fear is the dude who just told you to gently caress off. So, something that may be going on here is that Putin isn't just a strongman: he's also a a symbol of stability and legitimacy that no one else can replicate. So basically what we’ve got here is your basic "janissaries march on Constantinople and put a new grand vizier in power" sort of situation.
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Jun 24, 2023 19:34
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Tei posted:The coup imploded Sounds like it kinda worked
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Jun 24, 2023 19:35
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parthenocarpy posted:...I get that your interpration of how Putin rules is very narrowly defined like "rules by fear" but do you really believe that is a checklist item for him every morning? Like, he wakes up sore, thinking "Ahhh crap, my stongman image!" and somehow has a harder time oppressing an entire nation? I really want to understand how and why you guys think this hurts Putin. Lol
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Jun 24, 2023 19:36
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steinrokkan posted:I can't under any circumstances imagine Putin actually sacrificing his best buddy and most loyal dip poo poo Shoigu. Especially if Prigoblin has given up his leverage. I don't understand why anyone has deeply held reservations about anything happening at this point
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Jun 24, 2023 19:36
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A president who doesn't have control of his own armed forces is just a puppet. I doubt he'll run in the next presidential election in March.
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Jun 24, 2023 19:36
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So Prig deposes Shoigu, gets to be shadow president and goes to Africa where he can ensure his overall safety while warlording? meanwhile the replacement for Shoigu has to manage the mess left behind and Putin.... drinks himself to death?
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Jun 24, 2023 19:36
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Haystack posted:So, something that may be going on here is that Putin isn't just a strongman: he's also a a symbol of stability and legitimacy that no one else can replicate. Yeah thats the only thing that makes sense, but also, weirdly, it being this loving stupid also makes sense given Russia's [everything]
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Jun 24, 2023 19:36
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It will be a spicy coincidence if whomever gets the choice MOD spot is also a Prig supporter.
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Jun 24, 2023 19:37
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parthenocarpy posted:...I get that your interpration of how Putin rules is very narrowly defined like "rules by fear" but do you really believe that is a checklist item for him every morning? Like, he wakes up sore, thinking "Ahhh crap, my stongman image!" and somehow has a harder time oppressing an entire nation? I really want to understand how and why you guys think this hurts Putin. https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1672673430200635392
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Jun 24, 2023 19:37
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hemale in pain posted:That's why Prigozhin is going to turn up dead within a few weeks time. I just can't really see another outcome. I think he might have won in this thing. He gets to keep his private army which he just proves is the main thing keeping him alive and basically giving him license to bully the state.
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Jun 24, 2023 19:37
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smoobles posted:the goon who suggested watching anime instead of Russia news nailed it If this could be the thread subtitle
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Jun 24, 2023 19:37
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The last 12 hours have made absolutely no sense.
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Jun 24, 2023 19:37
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parthenocarpy posted:...I get that your interpration of how Putin rules is very narrowly defined like "rules by fear" but do you really believe that is a checklist item for him every morning? Like, he wakes up sore, thinking "Ahhh crap, my stongman image!" and somehow has a harder time oppressing an entire nation? I really want to understand how and why you guys think this hurts Putin. Somebody directly rebelled against Putin and came out the situation in a better position than before this happened. Its a pretty clear message that Putin isn't in a position to squash any opposition that dares to come his way.
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Jun 24, 2023 19:37
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AtomikKrab posted:So Prig deposes Shoigu, gets to be shadow president and goes to Africa where he can ensure his overall safety while warlording? meanwhile the replacement for Shoigu has to manage the mess left behind and Putin.... drinks himself to death? I think it'll be the ultra nazi who founded Wagner
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Jun 24, 2023 19:38
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loving lol putins a political rooster now
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Jun 24, 2023 19:38
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Do you realize there are people in America, right now, Millions of them, who have for years insisted that there are two presidents and nothing of consequence has really happened from that mass delusion? People wake up today thinking Trump is still president. People tomorrow will wake up thinking the Wagner CEO is president of Russia. And..... THEY ARE DELUSIONAL
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Jun 24, 2023 19:39
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parthenocarpy posted:Do you realize there are people in America, right now, Millions of them, who have for years insisted that there are two presidents and nothing of consequence has really happened from that mass delusion? People wake up today thinking Trump is still president. People tomorrow will wake up thinking the Wagner CEO is president of Russia. And..... THEY ARE DELUSIONAL Trump hasn't yet gotten Biden to start replacing people in the DOJ at his whim.
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Jun 24, 2023 19:40
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IShallRiseAgain posted:Somebody directly rebelled against Putin and came out the situation in a better position than before this happened. Its a pretty clear message that Putin isn't in a position to squash any opposition that dares to come his way.
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Jun 24, 2023 19:40
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I didn't have "possible coup" on my bingo card going into the weekend. And I CERTAINLY didn't have "everyone turns their coup around and goes home" as the outcome less than a day later. Is Tucker going to go on his Twitter show to tell us how smart and strong Putin is for doing absolutely nothing? Can't wait to see the talking points for this.
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Jun 24, 2023 19:40
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parthenocarpy posted:Do you realize there are people in America, right now, Millions of them, who have for years insisted that there are two presidents and nothing of consequence has really happened from that mass delusion? People wake up today thinking Trump is still president. People tomorrow will wake up thinking the Wagner CEO is president of Russia. And..... THEY ARE DELUSIONAL Imagine, right, that trump was the defacto minister of defense in this analogy
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Jun 24, 2023 19:40
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IShallRiseAgain posted:Somebody directly rebelled against Putin and came out the situation in a better position than before this happened. Its a pretty clear message that Putin isn't in a position to squash any opposition that dares to come his way. They both came out better I don't know how you can see Putin facing an existential threat four hours ago, and no longer facing that threat as not a move up. I get it, people are like "Oh bottom G" on twitter, but SO? Putin stays in power, the war resumes, it loving sucks
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Jun 24, 2023 19:41
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steinrokkan posted:I can't under any circumstances imagine Putin actually sacrificing his best buddy and most loyal dip poo poo Shoigu. Especially if Prigoblin has given up his leverage. im not sure how you could walk away from this and not think that prigozhin has emerged significantly more powerful and putin significantly weakened. A dude just straight up declared war on his own country and wasn't just not defeated but was rewarded for it! If you're someone who rules by fear this is absolutely catastrophic.
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Jun 24, 2023 19:41
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parthenocarpy posted:They both came out better His entire regime operates under the idea that he is top-G
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Jun 24, 2023 19:41
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parthenocarpy posted:Do you realize there are people in America, right now, Millions of them, who have for years insisted that there are two presidents and nothing of consequence has really happened from that mass delusion? People wake up today thinking Trump is still president. People tomorrow will wake up thinking the Wagner CEO is president of Russia. And..... THEY ARE DELUSIONAL trump's coup attempt failed miserably though, and he was given absolutely zero concessions and many of the insurrectionists are awaiting trial or already in prison you're pretty stupid if you think the two events are anywhere near similar lol
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Jun 24, 2023 19:41
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The Russian MoD is 100% gonna get Wagnerfied now, so like, hell yeah Russia has fully Nazified Russia with its invasion.
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Jun 24, 2023 19:42
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Kind of wonder if maybe Prigozin didn't do it on his own, and if so, some of the others involved may be the ones actually pulling the strings. Best result might be if those people think the war needs to end.
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Jun 24, 2023 19:42
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parthenocarpy posted:Do you realize there are people in America, right now, Millions of them, who have for years insisted that there are two presidents and nothing of consequence has really happened from that mass delusion? People wake up today thinking Trump is still president. People tomorrow will wake up thinking the Wagner CEO is president of Russia. And..... THEY ARE DELUSIONAL Look I'm not American so idk what to tell you about this mass delusion stuff, but to my knowledge Trump did not actually march a brigade on Washington DC and obtain concessions from Biden. If he had, those people might be right that Trump was the actual guy in charge of America! But in Russia, even when Medvedev was briefly president people still understood Putin was the guy actually in charge. If the MOD now gets staffed with people from Prigozhin's inner circle, or even just people who aren't Putin loyalists, suddenly this understanding no longer holds true.
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Jun 24, 2023 19:43
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So basically what happened was that Wagner got into shooting distance from Moscow and Putin's government surrendered as they didn't believe that Rosvgardia can take on Wagner and win. Prig gets what he wants, MoD is shown to be completely toothless, and Putin is no longer the strongman who has an absolute monopoly on violence. In the meanwhile, Prig. and Wagner gets full pardon and basically a diplomatic immunity from now on, and can freely do whatever they feel like doing. Prog no longer takes orders from Putin or can at least freely ignore them, so its basically an open mutiny inside absolute dictators government. This cease fire and new normal cannot be sustainable. Either Prig or Putin is dead before the first snow falls in Moscow. Der Kyhe fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Jun 24, 2023 |
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Jun 24, 2023 19:43
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:trump's coup attempt failed miserably though, and he was given absolutely zero concessions and many of the insurrectionists are awaiting trial or already in prison I didn't compare the events, what Trump event are you talking about? I didn't mention any, only the delusion of people thinking who is president and who isn't.
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Jun 24, 2023 19:43
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Good job Luka, finally securing that MoD position he's lusted after for all these years.
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Jun 24, 2023 19:43
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Are any concessions confirmed yet? Wagner guys seem pretty pissed at Prigozhin now, I think it's early to say he'll come out ahead in all this
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Sir John Falstaff posted:Kind of wonder if maybe Prigozin didn't do it on his own, and if so, some of the others involved may be the ones actually pulling the strings. Best result might be if those people think the war needs to end.
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