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A.o.D. posted:I'm sure both parties negotiated in good faith and now that everything is settled they will conduct the Special Military operation more efficiently than ever before. Also that Prigozhin will definitely be alive on July 1st. Dude's got to know his chances of being alive long-term after defying Putin. Something else must be going on.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Ploy to get Putin to fly back to Moscow so they can merc his plane on landing approach? This makes at least as much sense as anything else going on to me.
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The only way it makes sense to me is if Putin stepped off his plane in St. Petersburg and found himself facing house arrest and "negotiation" with people who sensed the blood in the water, but I am not a russianologist.
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Jun 24, 2023 19:28
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All right, well this was probably the weirdest day in geopolitics since January 6th.
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psydude posted:All right, well this was probably the weirdest day in geopolitics since January 6th. Its Jan 6th but the Rioters won.
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Jun 24, 2023 19:31
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The only thing the coup has going for it is speed. Taking some time off is the worst possible idea. Even a day gives the military enough time to rally reliable forces and prepare enough that Wagner's column will stall out.
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Regardless of how this ends, Shoigu and Gerasimov are gone after this, right?
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Nessus posted:Earlier in the thread there was mention that the southern district HQ in Rostov that all but gave Wagner cookies and tea as they rolled up to coup the government, had control over a slice of Russian military assets, including strategic forces. Presumably the idea being that if America blew up Moscow by surprise somehow, Rostov elements could nuke America back, or just to spread things around. Normally I would say "Surely they would not be _that_ stupid.", but its the Russian Government.
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Nessus posted:If nothing else, Wagner drove an armored column 600km. Even in relatively friendly terrain they would want to consolidate and go "locate" some gasoline to refill the tanks. Fuel probably isn't much of an issue, most of the Wagnerites should have credit cards that are accepted on any gas station they pass by. There are apocryphal stories how the Lukoil-owned Teboil gas stations in Finland have surprisingly large storage tanks for diesel. They probably want to stock up whenever diesel is cheap on the market.
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Saukkis posted:Fuel probably isn't much of an issue, most of the Wagnerites should have credit cards that are accepted on any gas station they pass by. Supposedly one of their pre-positioned fuel depots got blown up earlier in the day, so it could be that.
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God, I come home from work to this insanity. Nothing about this deal makes sense, no one wins from it. Putin and Prigozhin both look weak and piss of their backers, both of them are going to have to watch their backs(but especially Prigozhin), no one except the Ukrainians gained anything.
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Perhaps the real coup was the collaborators we made along the way.
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Nessus posted:If nothing else, Wagner drove an armored column 600km. Even in relatively friendly terrain they would want to consolidate and go "locate" some gasoline to refill the tanks. Most of their heavy equipment is being hauled by trucks, I doubt any of their tanks could actually push that far on their own.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:The most likely reason for this pause on both sides is that they each need some time to collect themselves before the fighting starts in earnest. yeah once I got over my initial disappointment I realize there is no reset possible where these two end up on the same side again e- or more succinctly https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1672672550005145600 GD_American fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Jun 24, 2023 |
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GD_American posted:yeah once I got over my initial disappointment I realize there is no reset possible where these two end up on the same side again All I can hear is this soundtrack to this farce: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V66m52YFZBg
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Prigo got his hand-picked replacement for Shoigu https://twitter.com/vik8867dn/status/1672679868285218819?s=61 lol this would be the most hilarious double-cross in history
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Well, this has been a big let down.
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bulletsponge13 posted:Well, this has been a big let down. I don't think this is over.
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The agreement sounds a lot like accepting that he and his people are going to be quietly liquidated in the next few days to months. I think this is still capable of kicking off.
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Yeah I have a very hard time believing this is over. At best its fizzled, but Prig doubtless isn't ready to accept polonium tea.
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I just can't get my mind wrapped around this. Putin just got humiliated by Prigozin, who literally rolled an armored column into Russia proper, and he's just going to agree, wave his hands, and pretend it never happened? Difficult to believe.
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Elviscat posted:Dude's got to know his chances of being alive long-term after defying Putin. Something else must be going on. "run for it to the central african republic and become a very wealthy warlord" isn't a bad plan, but it relies on the deal holding up long enough for Prigo and ten thousand of his closest friends to get all the way out of dodge gently caress knows what's gonna happen with the MOD e: with a rebel yell she QQd posted:Like a real rockstar. The man of the people. Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Jun 24, 2023 |
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Wickerman posted:I just can't get my mind wrapped around this. Putin just got humiliated by Prigozin, who literally rolled an armored column into Russia proper, and he's just going to agree, wave his hands, and pretend it never happened? Difficult to believe. Putin capitulated because "lose face, replace the MoD, and start preparations for a massive purge" was much better outcome than "lose face, Moscow is occupied by rebels, war in Ukraine is a total loss, somethingsomething". Prigozhin also most likely liked the idea of "relocate to Belarus and escape" instead of "get killed in an airstrike in Moscow or Rostov". But in any case, cat is now out of the bag, the great tsar is no longer all-powerful and beyond questioning.
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Wickerman posted:I just can't get my mind wrapped around this. Putin just got humiliated by Prigozin, who literally rolled an armored column into Russia proper, and he's just going to agree, wave his hands, and pretend it never happened? Difficult to believe. Prigozhin has to know he's a dead man. He has to.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Prigozhin has to know he's a dead man. He has to. Im betting that Putin is out or dies first at this point. Probably more hopes than sound logic tho.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Prigozhin has to know he's a dead man. He has to. He hasn't made it this far by being stupid. He probably has some "retire to run a Wagner fiefdom in Africa as a warlord" up his sleeve, if he manages to board a plane in Belarus that doesn't magically disappear.
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Wickerman posted:I just can't get my mind wrapped around this. Putin just got humiliated by Prigozin, who literally rolled an armored column into Russia proper, and he's just going to agree, wave his hands, and pretend it never happened? Difficult to believe. No loving chance.
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SquirrelyPSU posted:No loving chance. Yup. Putin, famously a merciful guy....
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CommieGIR posted:Yup. Putin, famously a merciful guy.... I misread. About to be a lot of bodies one way or the other.
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What in the gently caress is going on
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Radical 90s Wizard posted:What in the gently caress is going on If you figure it out, let the rest of us know.
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Radical 90s Wizard posted:What in the gently caress is going on The Wagner guy is turning around but Putin has to lick the dog doo Edit: the dog doo is white
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:If you figure it out, let the rest of us know. Empty quote.
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Radical 90s Wizard posted:What in the gently caress is going on The world is made of clancychat
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Ukraine Thread: What in the gently caress is going on
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Radical 90s Wizard posted:What in the gently caress is going on 2 Coup 2 Belarus
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Armacham posted:The Wagner guy is turning around but Putin has to lick the dog doo I refuse to believe it just ends like this 
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:The world is made of clancychat clancy himself would never have written such drivel
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