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Oscar Wilde Bunch
Jun 12, 2012

Grimey Drawer

stab posted:

Whats the russian version of carmen sandiego

Somebody get started on the memes

Lot of gold in picking the singers for the a cappella group.

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TulliusCicero
Jul 29, 2017




Death of Stalin, but he's not even Dead

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006

Tuna-Fish posted:

It's a delta wing with canards, high AoA is basically it's thing.



The most amazing part that I feel like I need to highlight is that the bug involved no visible changes into any moving part of the system. There was a structural tube with closed ends as a part of the case, and all the electronics were stuffed in there. The only change to the moving parts was to magnetize a few protruding metallic bits on their underside, where they came close enough to the tube to be sensed from within. You could dismantle the typewriter into the component parts, as far as it possibly can be while it can still be put back together, and notice absolutely nothing different from an untampered one, except maybe that the case was a bit heavier than it was supposed to be.

The Soviet Union had some very cool things they were very good at, unfortunately none of them had anything to do with keeping a country from imploding.

Tuna-Fish
Sep 13, 2017

drat it's embarrassing to notice a its/it's typo only when someone quotes you, so now it's impossible to fix it, and it will forever be a monument to my stupidity.

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006
fun fact, did you know the Soviets almost invented the internet 7 years before ARPANET went online? The National Automated System for Computation and Information Processing (abbreviating OGAS) was a Soviet project attempting to create a nationwide linked information network that began in 1962 but got funding denied in 1970 and the idea was abandoned because the second the Soviet government had in its possession the means to actually optimize their centrally planned economy and make socialism work in a way much closer to how it was intended to work, they promptly lost all interest in the idea and abandoned the system because:

quote:

This was seen as a logical progression given that the material balances system was geared toward rapid industrialization, which the Soviet Union had already achieved in the preceding decades. But by the early 1970s the idea of transcending the status quo was abandoned by the Soviet leadership, who felt the system threatened Party control over the economy and therefore by official interest in this system ended.

:v:

OGAS was really loving cool too. This is what it was intended to do, had it been properly funded and built out:

quote:

Glushkov proposed OGAS in 1962 as a three-tier network with a computer centre in Moscow, up to 200 midlevel centres in other major cities, and up to 20,000 local terminals in economically significant locations, communicating in real time using the existing telephone infrastructure. The structure would also permit any terminal to communicate with any other. Glushkov further proposed using the system to move the Soviet Union towards a moneyless economy, using the system for electronic payments.

In 1962, Glushkov estimated that had the paper-driven methods of economic planning continued unchanged in the Soviet Union, then the planning bureaucracy would have grown by almost fortyfold by 1980

The US considered it a massive national security threat because they saw the Soviet economy receiveing tremendous increases in economic productivity which would disrupt the global market and pose a threat to competing market economies.

Arhur Schlesinger Jr, a historian and special assistant to JFK, said:

quote:

an all out Soviet commitment to cybernetics” as providing the Soviet Union a “tremendous advantage” in respect to production technology, complex of industries, feedback control and self-teaching computers.

There was a good chance that if that system had been built as intended, the Cold War would have been very very different than how it turned out IRL

The followup system to OGAS was Akademset, the All-Union Academic Network, established in 1978. It was the Soviet forerunner to the Internet and connected scientific and civil institutions across the USSR. It even connected to ARPANET using the X.25 standard.

HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Jun 29, 2023

Tunicate
May 15, 2012
Probation
Can't post for 29 minutes!
Meanwhile, the british tapped soviet electric typewriters by carefully monitoring the electrical cords.

the popes toes
Oct 10, 2004

Tuna-Fish posted:

The most amazing part that I feel like I need to highlight is that the bug involved no visible changes into any moving part of the system.
Fun fact: How can you tell if your Selectric has been technically modified to defeat this, and other vulnerabilities? Turn it off and hit the space bar once. If the carriage still moves in response, you're good to go.

Scarodactyl
Oct 22, 2015


Dumb Sex-Parrot posted:

wtf is it with "an homosexual"?? Is the h silent to these people?
Almost like they're not a native english speaker.

Commodore_64
Feb 16, 2011

love thy likpa




HonorableTB posted:

The Soviet Union had some very cool things they were very good at, unfortunately none of them had anything to do with keeping a country from imploding.

I have some wonderful ex USSR optical glass flats for interferometry/metrology I snagged from Ukraine pre war. Huge, good quality etc.

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006
fun fact, george soros helped create a digital connection between the US and VNIIPAS, the All Union Scientific Research Institute for Applied Automated Systems (a computer network that allowed for international digital conncetions and served as the central node of the innermost node of Akademset) in 1983 by funding and co-founding the San Francisco-Moscow Teleport that provided digital connections between the USSR and USA and actually later became the founding SWIFT provider for the Soviet banking system!

SOROS!!! :argh:

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006

Commodore_64 posted:

I have some wonderful ex USSR optical glass flats for interferometry/metrology I snagged from Ukraine pre war. Huge, good quality etc.

one of the advantages the USSR had over the west for a while (until microcircuitry and miniaturization of computers) was in optics and precision glass grinding/manufacture due to their control over East Germany and the Carl Zeiss AG works in Jena. It wasn't until advances in the late 70s/early 80s that computer and tech advances in the west progressed enough to give NATO the edge - you'll notice that big gap starting right around the time Challenger 1s and M1 Abrams first started rolling off the line in 1980-1981

Scarodactyl
Oct 22, 2015


That's odd because their microscopes were distinctly inferior, especially looking at the east/west Zeiss split.

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006

Scarodactyl posted:

That's odd because their microscopes were distinctly inferior, especially looking at the east/west Zeiss split.

macroscopy is a lot easier than microscopy and requires a lot more precise manufacturing equipment than the USSR typically had :buddy: this is related to why the USSR fell behind in computing too; even today Russian microchip fabrication was decades behind what the US (let alone Taiwan or South Korea) is capable of now, even before all the sanctions and war


This ties back into my above post about how and why they abandoned the best chance they had to optimize their economic system. The Soviet economy was geared entirely towards rapid industrialization and then war production, and then just..never changed. The Brezhnev stagnation set in and the whole thing about a planned economy is that you have to actually...take action...to make it do stuff. And the Soviet leadership decisively did not so the country collapsed with an industrial base that was essentially unchanged from 1945. You can see the diversion between Ukraine and Russia here very starkly; post-Soviet Ukraine has a much more modern service-based economy with a strong tech sector and a very strong industrial sectory (well, pre-war). Russia has a lot of resource extraction and heavy industrial manufacturing, plus a poo poo ton of pine cones, and not much else going on.

HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Jun 29, 2023

Tunicate
May 15, 2012
Probation
Can't post for 29 minutes!
I have been reading some soviet scientist memoirs and it is half talking about how excited they are to work on cutting edge scientific advancements and half "the project leader who is the most experienced specialist on the planet told some random chemist he was wrong about our work, and since that chemist had high up Party connections the project leader has been forcibly reassigned to building apartments."

Mistle
Oct 11, 2005

Eckot's comic relief cousin from out of town
Grimey Drawer

The Something Awful Forums > Main > General Bullshit > Photoshop: What's Putin drawing?

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!

HonorableTB posted:

macroscopy is a lot easier than microscopy and requires a lot more precise manufacturing equipment than the USSR typically had :buddy: this is related to why the USSR fell behind in computing too; even today Russian microchip fabrication was decades behind what the US (let alone Taiwan or South Korea) is capable of now, even before all the sanctions and war
did you see the reports from like 6-8 months prior to the invasion about how they were going to switch to new chip architecture specifically to get away from all the day 0s, in some like years-delayed response to stuxnet?

western computer experts got their hands on a few and had them completely compromised in hours, and also found them to be inherently slower and less efficient than consumer-grade electronics from taiwan :roflolmao:

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006

Coolguye posted:

did you see the reports from like 6-8 months prior to the invasion about how they were going to switch to new chip architecture specifically to get away from all the day 0s, in some like years-delayed response to stuxnet?

western computer experts got their hands on a few and had them completely compromised in hours, and also found them to be inherently slower and less efficient than consumer-grade electronics from taiwan :roflolmao:

:lmao: i missed that but it checks out. Let me tell you about the Russian knockoff SNES, the Dendy


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendy_(console)

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006
:lol:

:lmao:

https://twitter.com/WarFrontline/status/1674500795222355988?s=20

russia about to get enveloped at bakhmut if this keeps up

Toxic Mental
Jun 1, 2019

How are they behind the lines there?

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006

Toxic Mental posted:

How are they behind the lines there?

UAF has been doing localized counteroffensives on the northern and southern flanks of Bakhmut for a couple of weeks now, before the big counteroffensive in Zaporizhzhia kicked off, even. They've been working on this one for a bit

e: oh you mean that random flag near Alchevsk? Idk I think it's a map artifact of some kind, it's not relevant to the maneuver update

Rybar reports Russian retreats in Zaporizhzhia to Rivnopil:






That's on the same axis of advance as Makarivka which we've heard about recently

HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Jun 29, 2023

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

HonorableTB posted:

:lol:

:lmao:

https://twitter.com/WarFrontline/status/1674500795222355988?s=20

russia about to get enveloped at bakhmut if this keeps up

Is this a bit

tiaz
Jul 1, 2004

PICK UP THAT PRESENT.


Zelensky's Zealots
it's okay. trying and failing to encircle a small town and then spending a year and many tens of thousands of lives grinding straight into the enemy's prepared fortifications only to almost immediately have said small town and your forces within successfully encircled by the enemy happens to a lot of empires russia's age.

I know it hasn't actually happened yet

beer_war
Mar 10, 2005

https://twitter.com/cnnipr/status/1674530944764588037?s=20

:yeshaha:

the popes toes
Oct 10, 2004

What does VIP mean? Like he doesn't have to pay cover charge?

Toxic Mental
Jun 1, 2019

He's the fall guy. He mind controlled Prigozhin to capturing the allied flag.

Toxic Mental
Jun 1, 2019

Remember when Russia spent like 6 months and 100,000 lives in a suicide mission to capture a bombed out husk of a city, and then in like 2 weeks Ukraine too back like 20x more territory.

Russia is winning though.

Lifespan
Mar 5, 2002
Bottle service during war crimes

pro starcraft loser
Jan 23, 2006

Stand back, this could get messy.

If you get documents handed to you in Moscow and report on them from Moscow it's very obvious it's what Russia wants reported.

Guess he's the guy going to take the blame until Putin is able to get to Prig.

pro starcraft loser fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Jun 29, 2023

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






HonorableTB posted:

e: oh you mean that random flag near Alchevsk? Idk I think it's a map artifact of some kind, it's not relevant to the maneuver update

The one behind the Russian one? I think that's to signify that it's not Russian territory rather Ukrainian territory under Russian occupation.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Toxic Mental posted:

Remember when Russia spent like 6 months and 100,000 lives in a suicide mission to capture a bombed out husk of a city, and then in like 2 weeks Ukraine too back like 20x more territory.

Russia is winning though.

It's good for Putin he can hand pick the survivors and make them his personal guard.

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006

yeah i call it the aristoczars

god please help me
Jul 9, 2018
I LOVE GIVING MY TAX MONEY AND MY PERSONAL INCOME TO UKRAINE, SLAVA
What is an American reporter doing being very public in Moscow? I thought foreign journalists weren't allowed.

Deki
May 12, 2008

It's Hammer Time!

Toxic Mental posted:

Remember when Russia spent like 6 months and 100,000 lives in a suicide mission to capture a bombed out husk of a city, and then in like 2 weeks Ukraine too back like 20x more territory.

Russia is winning though.

Ukraine isn't winning fast enough :smuggo:

Bluemillion
Aug 18, 2008

I got your dispensers
right here

HonorableTB posted:

:lol:

:lmao:

https://twitter.com/WarFrontline/status/1674500795222355988?s=20

russia about to get enveloped at bakhmut if this keeps up

If they lose Soledar they're gonna be super salty.

the popes toes
Oct 10, 2004

Bluemillion posted:

If they lose Soledar they're gonna be super salty.

Yeah, Bakhmut and Soledar were the only "winter offensive" gains.

After they're re-taken, Zelensky will immediately show up in one of them and piss them off even more.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
I'm pretty surprised they're pushing there instead of a more strategic location though, clearing out Soledar or Bakhmut won't do beyond a small morale boost perhaps

BoldFace
Feb 28, 2011
At this rate, they'll still be fighting over Bakhmut five years from now.

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006

the popes toes posted:

Yeah, Bakhmut and Soledar were the only "winter offensive" gains.

After they're re-taken, Zelensky will immediately show up in one of them and piss them off even more.

Very true!

Also, Soledar is a huge salt mine basically. The towns name means "gift of salt" and it provided 95% of Ukraines salt in 2021.

mobby_6kl posted:

I'm pretty surprised they're pushing there instead of a more strategic location though, clearing out Soledar or Bakhmut won't do beyond a small morale boost perhaps

Russia losing Bakhmut would be a "Moskva-sinking" level of catastrophe for them. Taking Bakhmut was their prime narrative for a lot of last year.

OAquinas
Jan 27, 2008

Biden has sat immobile on the Iron Throne of America. He is the Master of Malarkey by the will of the gods, and master of a million votes by the might of his inexhaustible calamari.

BoldFace posted:

At this rate, they'll still be fighting over Bakhmut five years from now.

It's only been--what, a few weeks, a month?--or so since Bakhmut was taken, and Ukraine is taking solid steps to cut it off from support. Barring some massive game changer like Russia blowing ZPP or the russian version of Patton arising to command Ukraine will have pushed the front past that city before the end of summer.

Nothing's guaranteed, of course. But so far they've been making good progress.

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DiomedesGodshill
Feb 21, 2009

Mistle posted:

The Something Awful Forums > Main > General Bullshit > Photoshop: What's Putin drawing?

I didn't know there had already been a thread just for that. :smith:

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