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Jaytan posted:Edit: I’ve clearly played too much of the game, but I’m pretty sure I spend less than 30 seconds sorting whether a full inventory of items has anything worthwhile. Are yall in T4 and unsure about what you’re looking for on gear? I usually diablo blazed out of my mind and I still don't spend any significant amount of time analyzing drops. I probably waste more time laughing at dumb rear end title pairings
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WIFEY WATCHDOG posted:this sounds like good and normal gameplaying that many people will do I already completed everything on my main and the meaningful part of the progress transfers over in season so why would I be doing anything else on my main before it can farm helltides or nightmare dungeons? pay for power or straight up content skipping is something that a fairly large percentage of gamers do regardless if it's part of the game they play or against tos. a large part of the players who don't do that, will just follow someone else's guide on how to get to the "fun" part of the game as quickly as possible, or even what to play when builds start coming online. if it wasn't normal or common, then the gaming industry (especially online services) as a whole wouldn't be building around taking advantage of these things. you don't even have to leave the franchise to see this in action very blatantly.
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If I want lucky hit on a ring should I be using a sorc to do the re-rolls?
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Tonetta posted:I already completed everything on my main and the meaningful part of the progress transfers over in season so why would I be doing anything else on my main before it can farm helltides or nightmare dungeons? Can say more about the distinction you are making here? While the renown poo poo is absolutely garbage, it isn’t clear to me how running nightmare dungeons & helltides is meaningfully different from running whispers except that the early part of the game has a much better gear progression. It seems you’re saying you want to just play the most grindy part of the game?
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Jaytan posted:Can say more about the distinction you are making here? While the renown poo poo is absolutely garbage, it isn’t clear to me how running nightmare dungeons & helltides is meaningfully different from running whispers except that the early part of the game has a much better gear progression. It seems you’re saying you want to just play the most grindy part of the game? I find making builds and then testing the limits of said builds the most fun part of any arpg I play. pre 50 was really all I cared to zoom past because then you have access to all your skill tree points which gives a fair amount of customization. unfortunately due to how level scaling works in the game, you don't really get to push or test limits until you can reach sigils, or if your build sucks.
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Tonetta posted:I already completed everything on my main and the meaningful part of the progress transfers over in season so why would I be doing anything else on my main before it can farm helltides or nightmare dungeons? No. Playing the same dungeon on repeat for multiple hours is not normal behavior and your attempts to normalize this is straight up fuckin weird.
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Tonetta posted:I already completed everything on my main and the meaningful part of the progress transfers over in season so why would I be doing anything else on my main before it can farm helltides or nightmare dungeons? 'fairly large percentage" might be a misnomer. If a few million people bought this I'd say less than half even make it to the end of the campaign. I mean, achievement and trophy days already shows most games lose half their players in the opening act. And amount of people from that chunk who are looking up guides? Nah. Dude in my office is a 'big gamer's who was at a LAN party for Halo recently. He asked me why his rogue got a bow but was still throwing knives and stabbing stuff. Had no idea you could refund skill points. A mass majority of players of this game will never see Lilith.
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satanic splash-back posted:No. Playing the same dungeon on repeat for multiple hours is not normal behavior and your attempts to normalize this is straight up fuckin weird. I never said that it wasn't extremely boring, but I'd be nearly as bored doing the same lovely escort missions or run across half the zone missions for a cutscene and maybe 1 pack of mobs a second time, and that would take thrice as long. again, this is for an alt. not a main. my main has completed very quest sans 10 split between all the zones that I can't seem to find. what content would you like me to do to reach my desired level of play, which is 50+?
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satanic splash-back posted:No. Playing the same dungeon on repeat for multiple hours is not normal behavior and your attempts to normalize this is straight up fuckin weird. 
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Man that’s the entire genre
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Flavahbeast posted:Regular uniques, not so rare. Late game you'll probably see one every 1-2 nightmare dungeons, helltides drop a lot. I killed the helltide bug twice yesterday and it dropped a unique both times Really? I’ve done virtually nothing but NMDs and helltides since 50 and I have never seen one in a helltide. Generously, I will maybe see one in ten or more dungeons*. I can solo the bug reasonably quickly if it doesn’t get stuck in geometry, but I’ve never gotten anything more notable than the mats. *they’re all temerity e: or what is late game to you?
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There's a reason Mephisto is so bent on plotting ways to wreck up sanctuary.
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Nobody ever ran the same dungeon constantly. Pindle and Hell Baal didn't exist. 
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euphronius posted:Man that’s the entire genre imagine if they saw how many runs of crimson temple ppl do in poe lmao
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Stux posted:imagine if they saw how many runs of crimson temple ppl do in poe lmao I was just thinking “man does he know about buying and running 400 crimson temples “ lol
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Hauki posted:Really? I’ve done virtually nothing but NMDs and helltides since 50 and I have never seen one in a helltide. Generously, I will maybe see one in ten or more dungeons*. I can solo the bug reasonably quickly if it doesn’t get stuck in geometry, but I’ve never gotten anything more notable than the mats. I've found that the faucet for uniques in dungeons really turns on around nightmare 65, where I was experiencing a unique every 2-3 dungeons if I also did the side poo poo. like 4-5 if you skip them, which there are def several not worth doing
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Tarnop posted:If I want lucky hit on a ring should I be using a sorc to do the re-rolls? https://mobalytics.gg/infographics/diablo-4-gear-affixes-chart-infographic/ looks like barb, probably, because they have so few class only affixes compared to the others
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Ravus Ursus posted:If a few million people bought this I'd say less than half even make it to the end of the campaign. I mean, achievement and trophy days already shows most games lose half their players in the opening act. FWIW the PlayStation 5 trophy menu says 43.7% of players have earned the trophy for completing the campaign, and 45.2% of players have hit level 50 with a character. Jaytan fucked around with this message at 02:56 on Jul 8, 2023 |
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That’s super high afaict and good news for the game Maybe they aren’t counting people who never turn the game on
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harrygomm posted:https://mobalytics.gg/infographics/diablo-4-gear-affixes-chart-infographic/ That's a useful site, thanks!
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Tonetta posted:I've found that the faucet for uniques in dungeons really turns on around nightmare 65, where I was experiencing a unique every 2-3 dungeons if I also did the side poo poo. like 4-5 if you skip them, which there are def several not worth doing Ah, ok - yeah I’ve only soloed up to like nm 40s so far. I generally do side poo poo just for the extra elite spawns, but there are a few that take way too long to resolve. I’ve been running a rotation of whichever Lair/Wound/Conclave/Cultist Refuge/Slums etc. I happen to roll in an vain attempt at finding any of the hats.
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kaxman posted:What are people using veiled crystals for because they already dropped like candy and I have like 6k Enchanting, Upgrades at Jeweler/Blacksmith. You can go through them ridiculously fast although 6k is a nice bank. There was a period there where I ran completely out. I think an enchanting roll on an ancestral piece of gear is like 10-15 per roll. It can add up very fast. Once gear stabilizes and you're just spamming nightmares you accumulate them very quickly though.
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I am up to 4 tempest roars this evening. God is good
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Jaytan posted:FWIW the PlayStation 5 trophy menu says 43.7% of players have earned the trophy for completing the campaign, and 45.2% of players have hit level 50 with a character. Xbox has 34% for the campaing and 35% hit level 50. But then you see a hard fall of of engagement afterwards. Like only 12% of players have crafted an elixir and incense. 12.64% have completed an ancestral and sacred NMD. 9.61 have imprinted from the codex 10 times. Hell, there's some weird stuff of like only 13.90% of Xbox Druids have killed 59 enemies as a werebear and 50 as a werewolf. poo poo only 17% have collected 1000 cinders. Most people going to drop of before the campaign or right after. The people reading guides and running anything post Lilith is going to be sub 20% possibly lower as people get it later of on sale and the numbers stagger. Looking at D3, only 37% killed Diablo and 33.4 killed Malthael. For D2R 17.82 completed Act V. I'm sure this number is especially low because D2 is... D2 and not as accessible to the casual player. But I also have no idea what player numbers are like across all platforms.
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There's a ton of poo poo I haven't done because the season is coming and I don't want to burn out on a character that's going to the graveyard. I'm 59 now and never crafted an elixir or incense. I don't think I've imprinted 10x from the codex either because the aspects from dropped items have been so much better. Hell my plan for the next couple weeks is just to chip away at the statues and the map because why invest in this dead character?
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Jaytan posted:FWIW the PlayStation 5 trophy menu says 43.7% of players have earned the trophy for completing the campaign, and 45.2% of players have hit level 50 with a character. I just killed Brol, and am like level 46 or 47. I am only this far in the campaign because I'm trying to get it over with so I can get my loving horse license, otherwise I'd probably be tooling around in Act 1 or something, using my time to clear the entire map
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satanic splash-back posted:Playing the same dungeon on repeat for multiple hours is not normal behavior this has to be the new thread title
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withoutclass posted:There's a ton of poo poo I haven't done because the season is coming and I don't want to burn out on a character that's going to the graveyard. I'm 59 now and never crafted an elixir or incense. I don't think I've imprinted 10x from the codex either because the aspects from dropped items have been so much better. Yeah the achievements beyond killing certain bosses aren't the best marker for progression. But they do seem like a decent indicator of post game progress. The level 100 achievement is sub 1% for what it's worth. But there's some wierd stuff that shows people aren't really experimenting. All of the class specific achievements have a lower completion rate that finishing the campaign. And it's stuff like "summon 100 skeletons/mages" and "kill 100 enemies while berserk" it's stuff that implies people are building the character once, and never really changing things up. I'm curious how many people are putting points into skills and never realizing they aren't appearing on the bar. And before you assume that's unlikely, elective mode in D3, where you could use more than one skill from the same group, was an unknown for a LOT of people. But D3 is fairly different. I do wish the game didn't limi you to 6 buttons. Getting extra skills from items would be fun as hell, or even having more options especially for the one point wonder skills would be nice.
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SmallpoxJenkins posted:I just killed Brol, and am like level 46 or 47. Same. I went from “i’m going to do everything” to let’s just get on with it.
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satanic splash-back posted:No. Playing the same dungeon on repeat for multiple hours is not normal behavior and your attempts to normalize this is straight up fuckin weird. when people do that they're usually lifting weights ar the same time at least in my case
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Yeah I had a more enjoyable time spinning to win with my Barb than I did popping corpses with my Necro while my minions tried their best(Skellies just trying but ultimately doing nothing but making more coprses inconsistently, Mages killing themselves before I got the blizzard aspect, then they would shoot at...something. The Golem being the golem).
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Jaytan posted:You’ll get a lot more of the materials than you need as you progress. If you don’t have a comfortable stash of materials salvage away, but gold and forgotten souls (from helltides) eventually become the only bottlenecks. Put this in the OP, only good post in 350 pages
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Verviticus posted:you dont have to look at everything in detail. why would you? you have to look at what the affixes are, to see if the item is trash. yes, there are mental shortcuts, yes you can sort the inventory to ignore all but a couple weapons. but you still have to look at them. it would be faster if the items that had multiple of the affixes you care about were highlighted. Ice Fist posted:Enchanting, Upgrades at Jeweler/Blacksmith. You can go through them ridiculously fast although 6k is a nice bank. lol man how the gently caress do you get enough gold to roll enough for it to matter, at all
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Ravus Ursus posted:
Back when I started playing D3 I wasn't talking to any goons, and had no idea about the existence of both elective mode or adventure mode. So all my singular character leveling (a monk with what had to be the most non cohesive build) was being done through repeats of the story mode lmao, with my skill bar looking like hot rear end. I'm to to pin the blame for that on the game not clearly telling me(even though I probably was told once and immediately forgot) about either. It was a terrible way to play the game, and that's the kind of experience that would make a person drop it entirely.
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You def get to the point where you can super quickly tell if an item is good or not but I do think they should just put a loot filter in so those items make a macho man Randy Savage oooh yeah noise or some poo poo when they drop. I think part of the reason the endgame feels a little meh is instead of getting that dopamine hit from a sick item dropping immediately after killing a monster you only get it in the middle of town sorting through stuff. My brain craves instant gratification, give it to me Rod Ferguson
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kaxman posted:
When the cost gets to this point you give up on that item unless it's like literally perfect on every other roll imo
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Dr. Mantis Toboggan posted:You def get to the point where you can super quickly tell if an item is good or not but I do think they should just put a loot filter in so those items make a macho man Randy Savage oooh yeah noise or some poo poo when they drop. I think part of the reason the endgame feels a little meh is instead of getting that dopamine hit from a sick item dropping immediately after killing a monster you only get it in the middle of town sorting through stuff. I remember Too Human had a loot filter that you could set to auto mulch anything from a certain rarity down. So if you set it to blue, it'd kill every blue, green, and white item you picked up. Like the only notable thing to come from that game, and I haven't seen anyone replicate it ever.
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Jaytan posted:You’ll get a lot more of the materials than you need as you progress. If you don’t have a comfortable stash of materials salvage away, but gold and forgotten souls (from helltides) eventually become the only bottlenecks. This post and an earlier post explaining how to max damage are the best posts of the thread
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