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OK now I feel like I'm going insane because I definitely remember one of the selling points of digital being that you could get on-demand programming.
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You might be thinking of the Freeview app that does this but that's via internet connection. Freeview itself is just live TV
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Jul 8, 2023 10:33
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Yeah all the “on demand” poo poo on sky/virgin also requires you have an internet connection, because it’s just streaming.
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Jul 8, 2023 10:37
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Speaking of the BBC, probably two years ago I was all in favour of just making the licence a tax related to house size or on broadband, whatever, even though I haven't had a license in 7 years I've completely changed my mind on that now, I've soured so much on the beep I don't want any of my money paying for any of it. It's complete spite talking here, my politics should mean I'm in favour of a publicly funded broadcaster, I just loving hate the Bbc these days. More so than sky or itv, they are worse in some ways but because the BBC should be better, it annoys me much more it isn't.
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Mega Comrade posted:Speaking of the BBC, probably two years ago I was all in favour of just making the licence a tax related to house size or on broadband, whatever, even though I haven't had a license in 7 years I think there is a case for separating BBC so called news and current affairs from BBC drama and non- political documentaries. They do commission some excellent stuff eg from Attenborough but their current affairs is essentially establishment propaganda and their idea of balance completely screwed. Not sure if there would be a way of separating the two that wouldn't cost significantly more. I think your feeling about the BBC "it should be better" is akin to the Labour Party should be better but it isn't.
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Jul 8, 2023 10:52
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Mega Comrade posted:You might be thinking of the Freeview app that does this but that's via internet connection. Freeview itself is just live TV From what I recall they were poo poo and barely anything was available (and it's possible I'm conflating it with early Virgin Media cable), but maybe that's a limitation of the technology rather than (as I must have assumed at the time) that they didn't make good use of the service. Probably more likely I heard "Interactive TV" at the time and got overexcited. Regardless, I have always hated TV schedules. My parents keep telling me to set aside some time on x night to watch a show they think is good and I just can't imagine blocking out my entire night like that for the TV, that seems deranged behaviour to me.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:I think there is a case for separating BBC so called news and current affairs from BBC drama and non- political documentaries. They do commission some excellent stuff eg from Attenborough but their current affairs is essentially establishment propaganda and their idea of balance completely screwed. Not sure if there would be a way of separating the two that wouldn't cost significantly more. Besides the nature shows, BBC have never provided much for me personally. But I always considered it a service of good for the country. But now it's pumping out a lot of the same rubbish the other channels do and it's current affair stuff is awful. I guess I've got some friends who still highly rate cbbc
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Jul 8, 2023 11:16
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Bobby Deluxe posted:No, various wikipedia articles mention streaming and interactive services and I'm too dumb to understand the engineering speak around it. It's frustrating though because google is being loving useless and all searches for more detail assume i'm either talking about internet services or i'm trying to buy a set top box. You might be conflating a few things - during the big switchover campaign virgin/sky/bt all took the opportunity to advertise products that were already digital, which would have included some catch-up poo poo (via broadband connection). They were listed alongside freeview as options in most of the official “where can I get some of that there digital telly?” guides. History Comes Inside! fucked around with this message at 11:24 on Jul 8, 2023 |
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Jul 8, 2023 11:19
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Bobby Deluxe posted:No, various wikipedia articles mention streaming and interactive services and I'm too dumb to understand the engineering speak around it. It's frustrating though because google is being loving useless and all searches for more detail assume i'm either talking about internet services or i'm trying to buy a set top box. 
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Jul 8, 2023 11:26
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History Comes Inside! posted:They were listed alongside freeview as options in most of the official “where can I get some of that there digital telly?” guides.
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Mega Comrade posted:Speaking of the BBC, probably two years ago I was all in favour of just making the licence a tax related to house size or on broadband, whatever, even though I haven't had a license in 7 years The BBC in principle should be good, but it's been corrupted so much that more people essentially wanna defund it. The alternative being bullshit like GB News. The only way it can really be a trusted source of information (as it's been pretending to be for years) is if it's completely depoliticised and independently operated by people totally unaffiliated with the government. Which basically won't happen. In some fantasy universe the government is properly staffed with ministers representing the fields they used to work in (ie a headteacher becomes education minister), they then work with experienced education civil servants (maybe they're all ex teachers too) and they get to decide what educational poo poo goes out on the telly. Not some Eton bellend who's bank account hit the 10million minimum threshold for "government job".
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Building an entire epistemological framework for reality based on the mechanics of Freeview tv
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https://twitter.com/MittensOff/status/1677614451321700353
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"I don't have anything against teachers or what their political views are...but hanging is too good for them!" Edit: Love the pretend pub setting, Farage did that when he did his thing talking to posh twats about how the poors are uncouth and needed discipline. happyhippy fucked around with this message at 11:42 on Jul 8, 2023 |
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https://twitter.com/ScarletHowes/status/1677613305874063360 I'm seeing Jeremy Vine's name mentioned on twitter. The BBC say that the person involved has been taken off the schedules, so I guess whoever it is will be outed by their absence
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Jul 8, 2023 11:46
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It's also the Sun. So it could be completely made up.
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https://www.economist.com/britain/2023/07/06/britons-turn-into-borat-when-it-comes-to-health-housing-and-avocados A somewhat silly article but, quote:Britain has low expectations. Treating a bare necessity as wanton decadence is common. Bog-standard housing developments are described as “luxury”. A redbrick, four-bed house in Lichfield, a cathedral city in the Midlands, is by no definition luxurious. Yet it is marketed that way and costs £400,000. Britain does not build luxury homes, it builds expensive ones.
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fuctifino posted:https://twitter.com/ScarletHowes/status/1677613305874063360 Not exactly laser focused on the one option are they 
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fuctifino posted:https://twitter.com/ScarletHowes/status/1677613305874063360 It’s Graham Norton according to my sources
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Mega Comrade posted:It's also the Sun. So it could be completely made up. "big name in media is a wasteman" is the most believable thing they could print.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Not exactly laser focused on the one option are they To be fair, it is the BBC
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I think we can rule out Waterman on the grounds of being dead
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jeremy vine not appearing on jeremy vine wouldn't prove anything. he might be out for a bike ride. and even if it was him, the vineverse is now self-sustaining, so there would be no upside.
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Since the papers all have big lists of which TV personalities are nonces, maybe the could compare notes and just publish the names of everyone who they don't have dirt on? It would save us all some time rather than just coming out with a new scandal whenever there's a slow news day.
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History Comes Inside! posted:Yeah all the “on demand” poo poo on sky/virgin also requires you have an internet connection, because it’s just streaming. It's the kind of streaming that you can't get otherwise though. Yes there are online apps like Now TV but the selection is on an entirely different level. Also there isn't that much difference between it and linear TV, in practice it's all streaming video with similar codecs. e: Part of the reason for bigger selection is that you can put in a lot more DRM when you are doing the decryption on a closed box, also just licensing terms in general are better. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 12:47 on Jul 8, 2023 |
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Not exactly laser focused on the one option are they Lol There is a weird subset of Gammons who hate Chris Packham and are desperate for some kind of dirt on him.
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Mega Comrade posted:Lol There is a weird subset of Gammons who hate Chris Packham and are desperate for some kind of dirt on him.
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Would Packham have £35k throwaway money? Norton def would have.
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Private Speech posted:It's the kind of streaming that you can't get otherwise though. Yes there are online apps like Now TV but the selection is on an entirely different level. Yeah the point was that you don’t get “on demand” content over normal OTA broadcast tv because that’s not how OTA tv works.
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yeah you get the “red button” extra stuff but it’s not really on demand like netflix
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Yeah the red button poo poo is just tapping into the stuff already being delivered as part of the broadcast, it’s basically fancy teletext.
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The BBC Red Button is being phased out. It won't work on newer TVs from now on. Was just announced recently.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Farmers and country types. They've spent the last few years tying dead crows to his property and trying to poison his dog because he occasionally draws attention to cruelty in livestock practices, and I think he protested the badger cull as well. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-60758144 The landed gentry and especially the shooting/hunting fraternity absolutely hate his guts. happyhippy posted:Would Packham have £35k throwaway money? Pablo Bluth fucked around with this message at 13:25 on Jul 8, 2023 |
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BBC had (and still have?) a bunch of freeview services for e.g. the Olympics which depend on running a fixed number of other video streams that you get switched between.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:No, various wikipedia articles mention streaming and interactive services and I'm too dumb to understand the engineering speak around it. It's frustrating though because google is being loving useless and all searches for more detail assume i'm either talking about internet services or i'm trying to buy a set top box. I think you’re thinking of Freeview+ which integrates streaming services like BBC iPlayer so you can scroll backwards through the schedules and watch a programme that was broadcast previously. It requires an internet connection though.
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happyhippy posted:The BBC Red Button is being phased out. That's news to me and I work in the industry. Announced where?
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Private Speech posted:Also there isn't that much difference between it and linear TV, in practice it's all streaming video with similar codecs. There absolutely is because it's not about the codecs. On-demand television is unicast (your device makes a TCP/IP connection to a server and downloads the way anything else does on the regular internet). Linear is either multicast UDP over your ISP's private network or (still, for now) Digital Terrestrial Television coming over an aerial which doesn't require the internet at all. The fact that it's encapsulated in similar (not identical, linear uses Transport Streams that can encode multiple channels in one stream and re-broadcasts metadata regularly because DTT especially by its nature is not a reliable transport mechanism) ways isn't the big difference. The important bit here isn't so much how the video is encoded as in linear is obviously a one-way process - you don't get to choose what to watch on a given channel, but also how you implement the two varies quite a lot. That's without getting into stuff like DASH which is how unicast can vary the quality of your stream depending on your internet connection so lowering your resolution if it has problems etc. Can't do that with linear, obviously.
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Payndz posted:I stayed with a relative overnight and this morning saw live TV for the first time in years. It was whatever the BBC's breakfast show is called, but I had to ask her "Is this ITV?" (Yes, I'm An Old and still think of ITV as the trashy downmarket channel.) Was getting my car serviced last week and while waiting a few hours i had to endure exactly the same, lucky i brought a kindle along to distract me. The Simon Bates vibe is real, it's alive... and it's loving horrible! 
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Bobby Deluxe posted:No, various wikipedia articles mention streaming and interactive services and I'm too dumb to understand the engineering speak around it. It's frustrating though because google is being loving useless and all searches for more detail assume i'm either talking about internet services or i'm trying to buy a set top box. feedmegin posted:There absolutely is because it's not about the codecs. On-demand television is unicast (your device makes a TCP/IP connection to a server and downloads the way anything else does on the regular internet). Linear is either multicast UDP over your ISP's private network or (still, for now) Digital Terrestrial Television coming over an aerial which doesn't require the internet at all. The fact that it's encapsulated in similar (not identical, linear uses Transport Streams that can encode multiple channels in one stream and re-broadcasts metadata regularly because DTT especially by its nature is not a reliable transport mechanism) ways isn't the big difference. The important bit here isn't so much how the video is encoded as in linear is obviously a one-way process - you don't get to choose what to watch on a given channel, but also how you implement the two varies quite a lot. There was a whole thing around the analog TV shutdown era about turning the UHF spectrum into a 'super WiFi' or an on-demand service or similar, with the big sell being that UHF is a very good sweet spot for range, penetration, and bandwidth, but it was being poo poo all over by linear TV stations, and therefore the optimal utilization was garbage, with thousands of killowatts being used to blast poo poo that hardly anyone was watching at some times of the day. So there was a brief period where things like WATCH were being proposed. Instead I guess they just did 4G/5G where there are UHF frequency components and it is an active experience but then at the top of all the layer models you just click the Netflix app.
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